which is tougher? sispec or ocs?
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i am veri sure those of u from sispec will claim sispec is tougher and those from ocs will claim ocs is tougher.
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RockerZ! -
Snipers like to shoot officers limb first... I'd think twice about OCS.
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Yeah, according to doctrine. But it very much depends on the situation. If it was a PC, i always prefer a stomach shot. Tear up the insides and the person cannot even hold up his bowels. he will be bleeding as well as shitting in his pants. when the rest of guys see him squealing like a stuck pig, rest assured, the the psychological damage is far efficient than him being dead or shot in the leg.Originally posted by Shotgun:Snipers like to shoot officers limb first... I'd think twice about OCS.
If it was a gun crew comdr or tank comdr, a head shot is ideal.
"In war, the deadliest thing is still one, well placed shot"
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No offence to all officers..but i tink the only thing in OCS that is more shiong than SISPEC's is their Jungle Confidence Course.
If u dont believe, juz ask those SISPEC crossover to OCS ppl..they'll tell u OCS is like heaven compared to SISPEC..
It not not be juz due to the physical rigous but also the culture of SISPEC..at least while SISPEC was still in Pasir Laba..
As my BMT sgt once told me.."SISPEC is juz like OCS squeezed into half the time"
I shall mention again, officers out there dont get offended..juz my point of view.. -
I don't think there can ever be a non-biased opinion about which comdr course is tougher or not.
Ask an officer and he will swear his course is tougher than SiSPEC's
Ask a specialist and he will also swear his course is tougher than OCS's
But i have made an observation that specialists that crossed over to senior term tend to achieve top 10% of the course. Be it sword winners or platoon top.
But this was back in 1985. i'm not so sure abt now. But i'm in favour of SISPEC being located in Tekong. The terrain there beats pasir laba hands down.
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'Snipers like to shoot officers limb first... I'd think twice about OCS.'
help lar......
snipers dont bother with one bar two bar officers wan.....they shoot the crabs....
but in vietnam war lieutenants have the highest casualty and death rate, not due to sniper fire, but coz they always go in first. officer mah........
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RockerZ! -
actually guys,it is OETI that is the most siong....
O= only
E= eat
T= talk &
I= idle
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Originally posted by sakaratulz:actually guys,it is OETI that is the most siong....
O= only
E= eat
T= talk &
I= idle
AGREE!! While's pasir laba's botak hill gave me bruised nuts..its bloody tiring and challenging to eat the malay stall's chix wing..mental torture at its worse.. -
eh, can someone enlighten me abt wat is sispec? And wat r the things done in both?
Thanks.
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it doesnt matter which is more tough... each has its own different roles... each plays a part in the defence of singapore...Originally posted by Ducati996:i am veri sure those of u from sispec will claim sispec is tougher and those from ocs will claim ocs is tougher.
IT only matters that you do the best you can in the roles given...
in the army... all units come together and work as one... like wise.... officer, specialist and soldiers work hand in hand to defend...
only idiotic officers think that they are the most important.
only foolish specialist think they can move the mountain alone.
The generals can plan his battle plans as much as he desire... but the success of his plans lies in the hands of rifleman. -
SISPEC is School of Infantry Specialists
Its where u train the army's combat sergeants and is situated on Pulau Tekong. Being a spec means u are effectively the ground level commander, having to make some level of decisions on the field itself, as opposed to the deeper planning and forecasting method used by officers.
To make it to SISPEC, u have to pass SOC, IPPT, range in BMT as u'll not have time to built up on these fundamentals of soldiership in the hectic schedule of SISPEC training.
The change in mentality from "sotong and follow orders" recruit to "tink practical and make pressured decisions" SISPEC trainee is drastic and requires some adjustment.
Hope u get a better idea of SISPEC...."school of infantry, specialists ,
here we come, soldiers from every creed and race........" -
yah, sakaratulz, oeti damn siong, go brunei still must double up as boatman heh heh....
anyway to stay in ocs you gotta get under 9mins 30secs for soc and at least silver in ippt, if not kena kick out. of course i admit most if not all sispec guys can achieve the same, but i dont think will kena kick out. correct me if i wrong? and not performing to standard will oso get you kicked out of ocs.
oso, i disagree that sispec is just ocs squeeze into half the time. ocs learn more, up to company level operations. all cadets train to use and command gpmg, 84mm recoilless rifle, etc.
one thing i realize is the reason why ppl say sispec is tougher is the difference in instructors methods. ocs instructors behave like model leaders as examples to cadets. they rarely use vulgarities(subject to which wing you from) and never ever physically touch cadets. sispec instructors, however, not to say their method wrong...well those haven go ns yet, use your imagination. anyway, if both sides instructors are the same(either both siong or both 'examplary') i dare say ocs will be tougher.
no offence to sispec guys. i love my sergeants!!!! you guys best!!!
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RockerZ! -
Actually, it depends on the sniper's tasking and orders. Crabs usually don't appear at the front line, thus to even get near them, a sniper has to infiltrate deeper.Originally posted by Ducati996:'Snipers like to shoot officers limb first... I'd think twice about OCS.'
help lar......
snipers dont bother with one bar two bar officers wan.....they shoot the crabs....
but in vietnam war lieutenants have the highest casualty and death rate, not due to sniper fire, but coz they always go in first. officer mah........ -
I love snipers..
Whenever i see them at SIW with their 'lion dance' No.4 pants and pt shirt..makes me want to laugh..but i dont..cuz they r cool..
Juz an little info, our S'pore snipers were using the Steyr SSG69 rifles but i duuno whether they r still using it now..heard they might be changing to a new model.. -
of course lah siong....report in morning go to sleep...wake up eat ganja wings...sleep...lunch...sleep or 'study'...eat ganja wings...sleep...go back homeOriginally posted by Ducati996:yah, sakaratulz, oeti damn siong, go brunei still must double up as boatman heh heh....
neway without boatmans...officers+riflemen will bcome food 4 crocodiles...=)
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'ganja wings'? wat the hell is dat?!?!?Originally posted by sakaratulz:of course lah siong....report in morning go to sleep...wake up eat ganja wings...sleep...lunch...sleep or 'study'...eat ganja wings...sleep...go back home
neway without boatmans...officers+riflemen will bcome food 4 crocodiles...=)
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RockerZ! -
Shd be chicken wings lah..haha..the famous ones..but oeti got go brunei meh?
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Eh, the steyr 69 is used for training nia. The inventory of sniper rifles is much larger than that. Some of which includes the Steyr scout, and the SG-550.
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no lah ..it is just me whose itchy hands decided to call cpc to volunteer go thereOriginally posted by Raisin:Shd be chicken wings lah..haha..the famous ones..but oeti got go brunei meh?
neway u from oeti meh? -
the term ganja refers to the addictiveness of the chicken wings. once u try one, u keep coming back for more...been there done thatOriginally posted by Ducati996:'ganja wings'? wat the hell is dat?!?!?
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Man...I can attest to their addictiveness. Anyway like my BMTC instructors used to tell us:Originally posted by sakaratulz:the term ganja refers to the addictiveness of the chicken wings. once u try one, u keep coming back for more...been there done that
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Geddit?
If want to be 3SG there are easier ways to get there. Go to OETI, eat talk and idle for 3 months and get out. Eventually will get 3SG also. How long you take will depend on your vocation and qualifications. If you're a poly engineering grad and get to become a vehicle mech, will get 3SG in 6 months, and pay is as good as or even better any cheong sua cheong hai SISPEC alumni.
And don't let anyone tell you that a mechanic 3SG is less important in war than a comabat spec. Remember
Amateurs study tactics; professionals study logistics -
Sounds like another quote from Red Storm Rising.
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aik? eskew me... i not one to say technical spec not important, i oso admit tech voc not easy.....Originally posted by Viper52:And don't let anyone tell you that a mechanic 3SG is less important in war than a comabat spec. Remember
Amateurs study tactics; professionals study logistics
but halo you try cheong ten days inside brunei no food eat ferns drink river water until you dont recognize urself in the mirror then you tell me amateur anot.
defn of amateur is evrybody can try with some success. i admit now you gimme damaged rover i cannot fix. but i throw you brunei ten days no food you find way back to camp you can meh?
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RockerZ! -
The origin of the saying was never meant to belittle combat vocs and what they do, it is in fact used by the US Army to train its combat leaders. What it means is that good combat leaders should never ever neglect logistics in favour of tactics alone. Wars have been won or lost on logistics.Originally posted by Ducati996:aik? eskew me... i not one to say technical spec not important, i oso admit tech voc not easy.....
but halo you try cheong ten days inside brunei no food eat ferns drink river water until you dont recognize urself in the mirror then you tell me amateur anot.
defn of amateur is evrybody can try with some success. i admit now you gimme damaged rover i cannot fix. but i throw you brunei ten days no food you find way back to camp you can meh?
I don't look down on combat vocs, and I never said that it was easy or amteurish. In fact I admire them for the hell they go through. What the saying meant, and I fully agree is that amateurs study only tactics, while the real proffessionals will look at the logistical side of things as well. -
What it actually means is, Tactics is often restricted by logistics. You may have to tactics to win a battle, but do you have to logistics to support it?