Challenge the PAP for a TV debate on estate upgrading
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I think the oppostion should challenge PAP for a televised debate on whether the govt can use public fund unfairly (or favouring the ruling party). If the PAP dares not to take up the challenge,that would means it knows the estate upgrading policy is wrong but it still do it for some selfish reasons.
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Residents of PP and HG are not completely void of a chance for estate upgrading. The incumbent party mainly prioritised the timing of upgrading for citizens who voted for the them into office as a little gesture in return for their support and loyalty.
Honestly. All is fair.
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Pardon me but I do not agree with this pt of view.Originally posted by TooFree:Residents of PP and HG are not completely void of a chance for estate upgrading. The incumbent party mainly prioritised the timing of upgrading for citizens who voted for the them into office as a little gesture in return for their support and loyalty.
Honestly. All is fair.
Since PAP has won the majority and formed the government, they should view the entire country as one and not to prioritise based on who voted for them. If the party's management have to do that, why should we vote for PAP in future? -
Fair? It entirely defeats the purpose and meaning of a democratic nation. The government should be at the discretion of the people, not the other way round. Shouldn't it be " you upgrade for us, we'll vote for you" and NOT "we vote for you, you'll upgrade for us"? The issue is not specifically on upgrading but rather on the system and its priorities.Originally posted by TooFree:Residents of PP and HG are not completely void of a chance for estate upgrading. The incumbent party mainly prioritised the timing of upgrading for citizens who voted for the them into office as a little gesture in return for their support and loyalty.
Honestly. All is fair. -
Are there any estates in the opp. wards have been upgraded?Even newer blocks in PAP wards have been upgraded,older block in opp. wards are not upgraded.Why?Originally posted by TooFree:Residents of PP and HG are not completely void of a chance for estate upgrading. The incumbent party mainly prioritised the timing of upgrading for citizens who voted for the them into office as a little gesture in return for their support and loyalty.
Honestly. All is fair.
Small gesture?They are big sum of money involved.
Wasn't the policy a bribe to win votes in GE by the ruling party? -
Dun woryy , it will not happenOriginally posted by PRP:I think the oppostion should challenge PAP for a televised debate on whether the govt can use public fund unfairly (or favouring the ruling party). If the PAP dares not to take up the challenge,that would means it knows the estate upgrading policy is wrong but it still do it for some selfish reasons.
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If the govt honestly believe the policy is fair,then it should take up my suggestion.Originally posted by TooFree:Residents of PP and HG are not completely void of a chance for estate upgrading. The incumbent party mainly prioritised the timing of upgrading for citizens who voted for the them into office as a little gesture in return for their support and loyalty.
Honestly. All is fair. -
Probalby u are right,but the opp. should still try -- just like WP contested in the PM's ward.Originally posted by Wind6:Dun woryy , it will not happen -
Members,
If u want to see a TV debate, then do your part by showing your support.(How?
)Then perhaps the govt & the opposition parties leaders can hear you. -
To be realistic, there is no FAIRNESS in politics. You can take a look at the political parties around the world, they always practise some favorable tactics in their favor in their rule. This is common sense and logical.
Any step of giving in to your opposition demands will mean potential future problem and may result in your party being ousted from the political arena. So I can completely understand the politik games.
If you wanna play the games, then better understand the rules. There is neber fair-ness in politik. Be it in Spore or some other countries around the world it is all the same. The only difference is in how they play the games. Some play it very bluntly while others play it very subtlely
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In our parliament, PAP vs the Opposition is 82 to 2.So the govt can afford to be fair.
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Has any opp. party call for such a debate?If not, why?Never read this forum?
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Fair?Originally posted by TooFree:Residents of PP and HG are not completely void of a chance for estate upgrading. The incumbent party mainly prioritised the timing of upgrading for citizens who voted for the them into office as a little gesture in return for their support and loyalty.
Honestly. All is fair.
Worker's Party Election spending limit for Hougang = $3/voter
PAP's Election spending limit for Hougang = $3/voter + $100m
The same goes for Potong Pasir.
Why izzit the PAP can prioritised the timing for the residents but not the winning party, who supposedly shd be the ones serving the residents?
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Tell me something - are the residents of PP and HG any less Singaporean than the rest? Do they pay the same taxes as the rest of us? Do their sons sacrifice two years of their lives to defending our country like the rest of us? So they do share the same burden as everyone else, don't they? So why don't they get the same share of benefits?Originally posted by TooFree:Residents of PP and HG are not completely void of a chance for estate upgrading. The incumbent party mainly prioritised the timing of upgrading for citizens who voted for the them into office as a little gesture in return for their support and loyalty.
Honestly. All is fair.
Let's say several people are vying for the post of CEO in a company against an incumbent CEO. The incumbent CEO dips into the company coffers and pays off whichever directors who votes for him 'as a little gesture in return for their support and loyalty' when he wins. Would you still call this fair?
Those who say that the ruling party's actions are fair should try living in Potong Pasir or Hougang for a few years.
Let's see whether they will still hold fast to their views.
And before you say it, no, I don't live in either estate. I live in Marine Parade - a PAP stronghold, mind you. -
how can it be fair?Originally posted by TooFree:Residents of PP and HG are not completely void of a chance for estate upgrading. The incumbent party mainly prioritised the timing of upgrading for citizens who voted for the them into office as a little gesture in return for their support and loyalty.
Honestly. All is fair.
if the winning party wants to reward the voters for their support they should use their own money. the money that being used for upgrading belongs to all singaporeans, not their party. -
Staying Together, Moving Ahead (with PAP)
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Those who argued for Potong Pasir and Hougang residents sake are commendable although in my humble opinion you are more likely to be fighting for blind justice. I share your empathy for the residents of both estates however, you have got to understand a fundamental basic which sohguanh had grasp 'there is no FAIRNESS in politics'. A similar situation will still happened with whoever is in power.
The fact remains that there is no denial of upgrading despite being given least priority. Technically or legally speaking, the incumbent government has the upper hand.
Things will never take a turn for the better by whining in forum on the political practices. Action speaks louder than words ya. I am sure the opposition leaders have come up with something to tackle this issue but ... somehow they may lack a 'supporting power' which can only be achieved by those who are too free. (not me, not me) -
TooFree,
Not true that there is no fairness in politics.It is the ppl who make it unfair. -
The PAP leaders say it would be unfair to their supporter if the estates in the opp. wards get upgrade first.
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You can show your support by just quoting any one of my msg or any other msg which is critical of the policy.Do u want a televised debate?Originally posted by PRP:Members,
If u want to see a TV debate, then do your part by showing your support.(How? )Then perhaps the govt & the opposition parties leaders can hear you. -
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oops double post can delete?
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Gov should upgrade Singaporeans' means of LIVELIHOOD, instead of HDB estates... it would translate into higher conservancy fees anyways...
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You are correct to state that fairness in politics are only for 'idealists'.Originally posted by TooFree:Those who argued for Potong Pasir and Hougang residents sake are commendable although in my humble opinion you are more likely to be fighting for blind justice. I share your empathy for the residents of both estates however, you have got to understand a fundamental basic which sohguanh had grasp 'there is no FAIRNESS in politics'. A similar situation will still happened with whoever is in power.
The fact remains that there is no denial of upgrading despite being given least priority. Technically or legally speaking, the incumbent government has the upper hand.
Things will never take a turn for the better by whining in forum on the political practices. Action speaks louder than words ya. I am sure the opposition leaders have come up with something to tackle this issue but ... somehow they may lack a 'supporting power' which can only be achieved by those who are too free. (not me, not me)
Reward comes only to those who repay the faith of the incumbent Ruling Party, however myopic that may seem to those not in alternative wards.
However, when you see the older generation who toil the stairwells daily because they have no lift upgrading, one wonders whether graciousness has been forsaken for ruthlessness.
It is more than likely these core group of senior citizens are the ones who formed the 'minority vote' for the ruling party within alternative-held constitutiencies, particular since upgrades such as those offered would benefit them far more than the younger, hungrier generation of Singaporeans. But, having been given a rude swipe by upstart ministers like Mah Bow Tan whose, unwelcome comments of Potong Pasir and Hougang being placed last in the upgrade queue, what are the odds that they re-evaluate their own vote next time round?
With Low Thia Khiang meeting his own promises of lift upgrades WITHOUT joint-payment schemes championed by Ruling Party initiatives, why should future voters even consider the Ruling Party as a viable alternative? If anything, the WP under the leadership of Low have proven a formidable adversary to the complacent 'white T-shirt gang'.
And his success was based on a significantly downsized kitty based merely on meagre town council funding, without access to the larger funds available to Ruling Party wards.
Given the circumstances of the recent elections, it would be fair to state that the residents of Potong Pasir and Hougang have a maturity level which far exceeds the rest of the contested wards in Singapore. That isn't to say that residents in those wards are typically anti-PAP, but rather, they were able to sift through the offers from both sides and found the upgrade carrot to be a sham policy.
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even if they challenge, the media and news group wouldn't dare to take this challenge to boardcast it.