80 PDMMs gather at Chinese Embassy
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I would like to know more, especially with regards to #1.Originally posted by zzzdidi:Do anyone know the followings:
(1) who or which group of people arranged such a scheme which i understand this is an one and only one type of education system in the world?
(2) Why the authority had not taken any action since more than 5 years ago,everyone including my son at 18 years old in S'pore knows about this matter?
(3) I paid a visit to Tanjong Pagar Plaza last year ,my son and I were suprised 2 c so many Massage centres on the 2nd storey of TPP, all of them are chinese nationals offer us f *** services, we then quickly left and think what is happening in S'pore. Which Authority issued them such licences to operate the business?
(4)When I returned from China this year after I had closed my business there and now landed in S'pore without any job,can i go to S'pore embassy in China to protest , I think in where I would be put into jail at once,Why then we tolerate this group of people who are FT and let them demand this and that when we S'porean are umemployed.
Something is not right, most of us can't place it, but it's a gut feeling that we know. -
1, 2) Don't quite get what you are trying to say. Can put it in another way?Originally posted by zzzdidi:Do anyone know the followings:
(1) who or which group of people arranged such a scheme which i understand this is an one and only one type of education system in the world?
(2) Why the authority had not taken any action since more than 5 years ago,everyone including my son at 18 years old in S'pore knows about this matter?
(3) I paid a visit to Tanjong Pagar Plaza last year ,my son and I were suprised 2 c so many Massage centres on the 2nd storey of TPP, all of them are chinese nationals offer us f *** services, we then quickly left and think what is happening in S'pore. Which Authority issued them such licences to operate the business?
(4)When I returned from China this year after I had closed my business there and now landed in S'pore without any job,can i go to S'pore embassy in China to protest , I think in where I would be put into jail at once,Why then we tolerate this group of people who are FT and let them demand this and that when we S'porean are umemployed.
3) What kind of services? If you are talking about massage, there's no need to register until now, when the rules and regulations changed.
4) Again, don't quite get what you are to say. Can explain? -
30+ Mamas protested outside China embassy and non of them brought to the station for questioning. In contrast, Mr. Brown highlighted the plight of Singaporean was rebutted and sack from TODAY. The White Elephant case, the whole police force launch into massive investigation to find the culprit. Same for the CPF case. This is indeed sad, Singaporean fighting the people are marginalised but Foreigner is free to criticise and free to go.
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Originally posted by fudgester:
Those four local but imagine if riot squad came n drag all the rioters in front of the Chinese emabssy personnel, imagined the consequences.
Talk about double standards, eh?
We have four people protesting outside the CPF building - no illegal assembly laws are broken here - and the riot police gets called in.
Here we have eighty protestors outside the Chinese embassy - a clear infringement of illegal assembly laws - and the authorities are content to sit back and shake their legs.
And no, we do not owe those PDMMs a living. If you want to grant them jobs, then I say grant jobs to unemployed Singaporeans as well. If you want to come here to make a living, then I say you should do it the old-fashioned way - through hard, and more importantly, [b]honest labour.[/b]
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Well, conclusions are clear. We cannot afford the political fallout from doing so to the PRC chaps, but apparently Singaporeans are cheaper.Originally posted by will4:Those four local but imagine if riot squad came n drag all the rioters in front of the Chinese emabssy personnel, imagined the consequences. 
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Ah, I see.Originally posted by will4:Those four local but imagine if riot squad came n drag all the rioters in front of the Chinese emabssy personnel, imagined the consequences.
We have to suck up to foreigners when it comes to applying our own laws.
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And since using undue force is seen to be too much, the question remains over the 4 CPF silent protestors.Originally posted by fudgester:Ah, I see.
We have to suck up to foreigners when it comes to applying our own laws. -
Simple, actually.Originally posted by LazerLordz:And since using undue force is seen to be too much, the question remains over the 4 CPF silent protestors.
The PDMMs are protesting over their livelihood. Not exactly important to Singapore, Inc.
On the other hand, the CPF protestors are protesting over something far more closer to home.
The same goes for the 30 Mr Brown protestors who are being investigated for nothing much more than wearing brown and standing around in an MRT station.
It's not so much about the fact that they are protesting, but what they're protesting over. What if I were to gather my forty classmates in class T-shirts in an MRT station to give a silent protest over how a fellow classmate's dad is treating him?
I bet dollars to donuts that no one's gonna give a damn. -
And what's wrong with protesting in a peaceful manner? Protest = a show of displeasure or disagreement.Originally posted by fudgester:Simple, actually.
The PDMMs are protesting over their livelihood. Not exactly important to Singapore, Inc.
On the other hand, the CPF protestors are protesting over something far more closer to home.
The same goes for the 30 Mr Brown protestors who are being investigated for nothing much more than wearing brown and standing around in an MRT station.
It's not so much about the fact that they are protesting, but what they're protesting over. What if I were to gather my forty classmates in class T-shirts in an MRT station to give a silent protest over how a fellow classmate's dad is treating him?
I bet dollars to donuts that no one's gonna give a damn.
The illegal assembly rule is archaic. We have adequate laws that guard against wilful destruction and rioting. -
The problem with the illegal assembly rule is that it is highly subjective and open to interpretation. If any gathering of five or more people is to be deemed illegal, applying the rule rigidly, then I'd say that a live football match would be a gross violation of the rule.Originally posted by LazerLordz:And what's wrong with protesting in a peaceful manner? Protest = a show of displeasure or disagreement.
The illegal assembly rule is archaic. We have adequate laws that guard against wilful destruction and rioting.
So it all boils down to how they want to apply the rule. They may close an eye to certain gatherings while cracking down on others as they see fit. When you have a rule that's open to interpretation, you have a rule that's open to potential abuse.
The sensible thing would to be scrap the rule, but then again, I don't suppose the relevant parties would want to scrap the rule considering how it can be used to silence dissent and suppress opposition. -
Why come here? Go to USA lah!
So much more space there! -
Its very sad that many children of Singaporeans married to foreigners are not allowed to study here in Singapore schools.
And, at the same token the authorities are allowing these children from chinese prostitutes to study here, it seems obvious that there is one law
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You are right!!!Originally posted by killstyle:oh yea. 4 singaporeans with a ply card outside CPF board warrant a whole riot police squad.
an army of pei du prostitues and a few poodles just sit by and watch.
1st world indeed.
If the protesters were to be singaporeans.....the ministry will treat as a very, very, very and extreme serious threat to the govt. The govt may activate whole singapore amry and special force on alert; maybe Air-striker
This is in deed, the 1st world govt....... -
Well it's mighty obvious our gov is very much in favor of China nationals.Originally posted by claudetnt:Its very sad that many children of Singaporeans married to foreigners are not allowed to study here in Singapore schools.
And, at the same token the authorities are allowing these children from chinese prostitutes to study here, it seems obvious that there is one law
for PRC and another for Singaporeans residents!
Sucking up to them just because China has a super large economy.
It's MONEY they want. Anyone with a large pie, they'll angkat (carry). -
I certainly do not view the law of illegal assembly as archaic or open to misinterpretation.
People often took security for granted deeming that it is a violation of human rights. How many more chance must we give to the terrorist to wake us up from our ideas? How many more innocent citizens' blood must we shed to finally see the strength of the terrorism organisation? Having said that I only mean that citizens' security should take precedent over their rights. Can we be sure that a peaceful demostration is perform by an authentic group of activists or supporters? Have it for once occur to you that the group can be a cell of the terrorism organisation conducting survelliance or hatching a strike on key installation.
Before someone point out to me that the silence protestors are indeed Mr Brown's supporters, then certainly in this case the police had done a splendid job by tolerance and applying the softer side of law. Law is never rigid but compassionate. Law being 'open to abuse' is an abstract and hilarious assumption in my opinion. -
I hope the Police can certainly learn from the Mr Brown episode.There are times where common sense should prevail, and there are times where real security is needed.Originally posted by TooFree:I certainly do not view the law of illegal assembly as archaic or open to misinterpretation.
People often took security for granted deeming that it is a violation of human rights. How many more chance must we give to the terrorist to wake us up from our ideas? How many more innocent citizens' blood must we shed to finally see the strength of the terrorism organisation? Having said that I only mean that citizens' security should take precedent over their rights. Can we be sure that a peaceful demostration is perform by an authentic group of activists or supporters? Have it for once occur to you that the group can be a cell of the terrorism organisation conducting survelliance or hatching a strike on key installation.
Before someone point out to me that the silence protestors are indeed Mr Brown's supporters, then certainly in this case the police had done a splendid job by tolerance and applying the softer side of law. Law is never rigid but compassionate. Law being 'open to abuse' is an abstract and hilarious assumption in my opinion.
Let's hope they figure out the proportion.Becuase in the eyes of the public, there is not much of a realisitic weightage given to the right emphasis.
Citizens' security is not a standalone thing.We can ensure security without the use of this law, which by all interpretations, is not a law designed for greater surveillance or more stringent intel work into potential terrorists. Irate citizens are not terrorists, this distinction has to be made pretty clear. This law, allows the policeman on the ground to arrest and detain without having to do much in the way of an investigation because it is not required by the particular legal Act.
This particular law only leaves it open to abuse by irresponsible people in theory, because it is an arbitrary law.
As I've said, the other laws which are on our Statutes, already take care of real threats to national security.We still have the ISA, which already covers a wide range of threats to internal peace and stability of the nation as a whole. Why the duplication of services? -
While the possibility of this happening is not little, it shows that treatment differs from people to people. It showed double standards. Needless to say, there are also other considerations which resulted in this. As said, a lot of international events are happening, and we can't afford to leave a bad impression. Each good impression we create helps to increase our future chances of holding more international events.Originally posted by TooFree:I certainly do not view the law of illegal assembly as archaic or open to misinterpretation.
People often took security for granted deeming that it is a violation of human rights. How many more chance must we give to the terrorist to wake us up from our ideas? How many more innocent citizens' blood must we shed to finally see the strength of the terrorism organisation? Having said that I only mean that citizens' security should take precedent over their rights. Can we be sure that a peaceful demostration is perform by an authentic group of activists or supporters? Have it for once occur to you that the group can be a cell of the terrorism organisation conducting survelliance or hatching a strike on key installation.
Before someone point out to me that the silence protestors are indeed Mr Brown's supporters, then certainly in this case the police had done a splendid job by tolerance and applying the softer side of law. Law is never rigid but compassionate. Law being 'open to abuse' is an abstract and hilarious assumption in my opinion.
While there is indeed no proof that those are Mr Brown's supporters, there's also no proof that those study mamas are also terrorists. Since there isn't enough evidence, why the treatment differs? That's the whole issue. -
It's not sad, in fact, it revealed some truth.Originally posted by claudetnt:Its very sad that many children of Singaporeans married to foreigners are not allowed to study here in Singapore schools.
And, at the same token the authorities are allowing these children from chinese prostitutes to study here, it seems obvious that there is one law
for PRC and another for Singaporeans residents!
Most Singaporeans who married foreigners migrated overseas and become a PR there. It makes no sense to leave some space for them in case they want to be a Singaporean again. This applies to their children as well. Having lived in a foreign country for most part of their lives, coming back to Singapore will be a cultural shock for them. Our educational system, lives, weather, etc differs a lot.
At the same time as these people leave for foreign land, there are empty slots for foreigners. Foreigners could apply for it, not just the children of study mamas. Study mamas case is different, Singapore has made allowance for them. I don't think other people from other nationalities even have this right. -
ndmmxiaomayi:
YouÂ’re right "I don't think other people from other nationalities even have this right." ItÂ’s strictly for Chinese nationals only, why?
However, I was not referring to Singaporeans who married foreigners and had migrated overseas and become a PR. ItÂ’s those Singaporeans who had married foreign nationals (Especially those from Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Sri Lanka etc) and former work permit holders who had worked and returned to their home lands after the end of their contracts that are having problems bringing in their wives and children. A clause in the work permit forbids them from marrying Singaporeans unless permission is obtained from the authorities. Many do not know or thought that it applies to only those who are working here but in actual fact is a life long restriction. These Singaporeans who are here have no way to get their wives and children to be with them here let alone have schooling for their kids and yet children of prostitutes are given preferences!
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I'm not sure if such thing is life long, but pretty sure that it is indeed hard to get their wives and kids here. That clause about foreigners holding work permit can't marry Singaporeans, is true. However, it applies only to those holding work permits. Once they expire, they have to go back to their home country, renew it or with permission, apply and be a PR here. My guess is that they never applied to be a PR, so that's why their kids aren't given priority. What worsen this situation is that if their kids are not even born in Singapore.Originally posted by claudetnt:ndmmxiaomayi:
YouÂ’re right "I don't think other people from other nationalities even have this right." ItÂ’s strictly for Chinese nationals only, why?
However, I was not referring to Singaporeans who married foreigners and had migrated overseas and become a PR. ItÂ’s those Singaporeans who had married foreign nationals (Especially those from Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Sri Lanka etc) and former work permit holders who had worked and returned to their home lands after the end of their contracts that are having problems bringing in their wives and children. A clause in the work permit forbids them from marrying Singaporeans unless permission is obtained from the authorities. Many do not know or thought that it applies to only those who are working here but in actual fact is a life long restriction. These Singaporeans who are here have no way to get their wives and children to be with them here let alone have schooling for their kids and yet children of prostitutes are given preferences!
Kids of singaporeans are not given first priority, is there any other country with such policies?
It doesn't matter if their wives aren't locals, it only matters if their kids aren't locals. That's why differences arise. -
Ndmmxiaomayi:
Its definitely a no win situation.
Off course they tried to apply for PR but do you think the govt is going to grant PR let alone consider? The authorities are fond of referring to the clause in the work permit no matter how many years had passed since the expiry of their contract. Even to get the child registered in the Singapore embassy is a problem there are too many obstacles for these unfortunate beings.
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Why should the PDMMs be so concerned about whether they get a job here, when they are supposed to send their children to Sg for better education???
And please don't label them as foreign talents hor! They have no talents to offer. -
They definately got talent. Their skills on hand-job best in the world some even say JB and Batam.Originally posted by Honeybunz:Why should the PDMMs be so concerned about whether they get a job here, when they are supposed to send their children to Sg for better education???
And please don't label them as foreign talents hor! They have no talents to offer. -
Precisely. It's the same issue all over again. If you don't have the funds, nor a scholarship and by that I mean pass an entrance test based on the aptitude levels of a GEP entrance test, please do not try your luck.Originally posted by Honeybunz:Why should the PDMMs be so concerned about whether they get a job here, when they are supposed to send their children to Sg for better education???
And please don't label them as foreign talents hor! They have no talents to offer. -
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summary of my message, I think there is a group of S'porean behind the
immoral scandal in order to make the scheme worked both in China and
S'pore.
Corrupted Civil Servants would be implicated since this matter has been
surfaced even in HDB estate in S'pore for so many years I was bullied
and cheated by Chinese nationals in Hainan finally i have to pack up
and go,no redress and protest or else i would be killed there. These
study mamas didnot contribute to the well being and benefit of our
S'pore why they are so daring to protest even though they know it is
illegal activities which they were involved in i.e sex
We must know the source of the problem and not just only the problem
itself.
I was graduated from NUS and holding a master degree in BA from
University of London, but now I am out of job for more than 4 months.
I understand from my friends in S'pore that they are at least 5000
umemployed graduates here and some of them are working on a contract
basis ie 3 to 12 months,Our plight has been highlighted to Gov but they
cant do anything now.