80 PDMMs gather at Chinese Embassy
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Pls close the whole forums as well!!!Originally posted by CenturionMBT:please don't start a flame war. Especially when it comes to name calling of other people's father or mother. I am tempted to close this thread already.
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Hey, forget it lah..Originally posted by zzzdidi:Pls close the whole forums as well!!!
Don't pursue this topic anymore..
Obviously, it's not meant for anyone to comment negatively about the matter...
Just let s.hit hit the fan....
Only time will make these zombies see the light in their tunnel... -
hmmm don't they get it... THIS IS SINGAPORE AND ITS FOR SINGAPOREANS. Its a privileage they work here already... Or please leave thnak you.
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Is this forum belonging to them??Originally posted by banzie:hmmm don't they get it... THIS IS SINGAPORE AND ITS FOR SINGAPOREANS. Its a privileage they work here already... Or please leave thnak you.
Then we Shall shut up and say sorry Sirs ,May I ask is this yr m and f"s forum pls let us know ????
mah???
oh anyway! this is my last post to this forums.>
Thks,let me know where We can talk w/o this bunch of Gods!!! -
Originally posted by zzzdidi:
zzzdidi, a promise is a promise!
Is this forum belonging to them??
Then we Shall shut up and say sorry Sirs ,May I ask is this yr m and f"s forum pls let us know ????
mah???
oh anyway! [b]this is my last post to this forums.>
Thks,let me know where We can talk w/o this bunch of Gods!!![/b] -
Originally posted by blueheeler:zzzdidi, a promise is a promise!
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To all those who are on the side of those PDMMs, here's more juicy news:
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BORROW a child. And come to Singapore as a 'study mama'.
That seems to be the latest scam by which some China women come here to work.
Four local recruitment agents who help bring in China students tell us how it works:
A recruitment agent in China matches a woman who wants to work with a child who wants to study here.
The woman pretends to be the child's mother, so she can get a long-term social visit pass.
A law passed in 2003 forbids study mamas to work in their first year here, but many ignore it and work anyway.
Documents, prepared to establish a 'mother-and-child' relationship, are submitted for approval.
As soon as the green light is given by the immigration authorities, the woman and her 'child' fly in.
So the child gets to be educated here and is cared for by a guardian throughout, while the woman finds work and makes money to send home.
And the China agent gets his commission - $3,000 to $10,000, according to local agents and study mamas.
The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA) told The New Paper that it is aware of such scams.
A woman was jailed last year after she applied for a social visit pass on the pretext of being a study mama, though she is the aunt of the student.
Her lies were exposed when she tried to apply for permanent residence (PR) status after she got married to a Singapore PR. (See report on facing page.)
Under the current regulations, only mothers or grandmothers are allowed to accompany a student pass-holder. Fathers, aunts or other family members are not allowed to do so.
Reverend Edward Job, president of Christian Care Services Centre, said he knew of a woman who came here as a 'guardian' to two children.
He said the 31-year-old woman, from Fuzhou city in China's Fujian province, was not married. She arrived in March.
Rev Job said: 'She came here on a social visit pass and told us she was the study mama and guardian for two girls.
'So we guessed she could have lied about her relationship with the kids in order to get a pass here since only mothers and grandmothers are allowed to accompany the students.'
The woman worked illegally at a massage parlour in an HDB estate.
During a raid, she managed to slip away, but lived in fear of being caught by the authorities.
TURMOIL
Rev Job heard of her plight through another study mama.
He said: 'We got in touch with her and told her that she should go back for her own good, and bought her a one-way ticket.
'The woman's friend said the two girls went back shortly after she left.'
It is not clear how long this scam has been happening.
At the end of May, there were about 7,800 study mamas here.
The study mama community has recently been in turmoil, after the murder of one of them on 18 Jun.
Madam Yu Hong Jin was stabbed to death in the Ang Mo Kio massage parlour where she worked, allegedly by hawker Eu Lim Hoklai, 52.
Following the murder, strict new rules came into effect - all massage parlours must now hire only Singaporeans, Singapore PRs and Malaysians, and conduct the services offered in HDB estates in full view of the public.
An education consultant who helps bring in China students said she had heard of parents asking friends or distant relatives to accompany their children here to study.
The woman, who declined to be named, said: 'We hear from our clients that the student's real mother can't come because of family obligations, like looking after the young or aged, so they'll look for a guardian to take care of the child.
'The parents stay behind to work and put the child through school.
'It's a matter of finding the right match - no one will complain because all parties get what they want.'
Another education consultant, with 10 years' experience in bringing in international students, said some agents were willing to risk the child's education for the commission.
He said: 'These are the unscrupulous ones who don't care about the student's welfare. They encourage women and children to lie about their relationship in order to get a student pass.
'There should be more stringent laws to stop them, so that the study mama community won't have a bad name.'
FINE, JAIL
Madam Liu Qing, a study mama from Fujian, criticised such 'underhanded tactics'.
Said the 31-year-old, whose son is in Primary 2: 'I wouldn't entrust my son to someone else. How can anyone risk their child being sent back without getting a proper education?'
An ICA spokesman said: 'ICA will not hesitate to take action against such errant individuals.'
The penalty for making false statements to obtain or attempt to obtain an immigration pass is a fine of up to $4,000, or a jail term not exceeding 12 months, or both.
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She lies that she's mum of her niece
SHE came to Singapore as a study mama using her younger sister'sname and passport.
Then 42, she applied for a social visit pass in July 2004, riding on her niece's status here as a student.
She got to know a Singapore permanent resident, who later became her husband.
Two days after she arrived, the woman returned to China and then came back to Singapore again in August 2004.
This time, she used her own passport and name.
In October that year, she submitted an application for an entry permit to the Immigration and Checkpoints Authority's (ICA) Permanent Residence Services Centre as she intended to live here permanently.
Up to the time of her application, she had to renew her social visit pass monthly.
She found it 'inconvenient' to do so - getting an entry permit would have allowed her to stay in Singapore indefinitely.
However, in assessing her eligibility for the entry permit, an ICA officer found that the woman had lied in her application form. how?
She declared that she had never entered Singapore using another passport or different name, and further stated that the particulars on the form were 'true and correct and that she had not wilfully suppressed any material fact'. How did ICA know she came in on another passport??
She was charged under the Immigration Act for making a false declaration in her permanent residence's application form.
An ICA spokesman said the woman was sentenced to two months in jail. -
if they can make noise over no job prospects, then those Singaporeans who are barely making ends meet should have more right to lodge a complaint, but the ministers, MPs or MOM want to listen meh?Originally posted by banzie:hmmm don't they get it... THIS IS SINGAPORE AND ITS FOR SINGAPOREANS. Its a privileage they work here already... Or please leave thnak you. -
Blueheeler,Originally posted by blueheeler:zzzdidi, a promise is a promise!
Do u know what is the issue here?I hope U can read the previous threads posted by Shutterbug! and Zzzdidi!!
These PDMMs are not screened in PRC and like ah hou's case ,the chinese nationals just need to change their paassport to bring a child into our PUBLIC SCHOOLS,they will then be called FTs and applying for PR and citizenship when they hve make enough$.
we do not disagree to allow the real FTs who can help to bring progress to our Country but not these flies,do u understand???
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2 months jail term only!!! worth it man!!!Originally posted by ShutterBug:To all those who are on the side of those PDMMs, here's more juicy news:
===========================================
BORROW a child. And come to Singapore as a 'study mama'.
That seems to be the latest scam by which some China women come here to work.
Four local recruitment agents who help bring in China students tell us how it works:
A recruitment agent in China matches a woman who wants to work with a child who wants to study here.
The woman pretends to be the child's mother, so she can get a long-term social visit pass.
A law passed in 2003 forbids study mamas to work in their first year here, but many ignore it and work anyway.
Documents, prepared to establish a 'mother-and-child' relationship, are submitted for approval.
As soon as the green light is given by the immigration authorities, the woman and her 'child' fly in.
So the child gets to be educated here and is cared for by a guardian throughout, while the woman finds work and makes money to send home.
And the China agent gets his commission - $3,000 to $10,000, according to local agents and study mamas.
The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA) told The New Paper that it is aware of such scams.
A woman was jailed last year after she applied for a social visit pass on the pretext of being a study mama, though she is the aunt of the student.
Her lies were exposed when she tried to apply for permanent residence (PR) status after she got married to a Singapore PR. (See report on facing page.)
Under the current regulations, only mothers or grandmothers are allowed to accompany a student pass-holder. Fathers, aunts or other family members are not allowed to do so.
Reverend Edward Job, president of Christian Care Services Centre, said he knew of a woman who came here as a 'guardian' to two children.
He said the 31-year-old woman, from Fuzhou city in China's Fujian province, was not married. She arrived in March.
Rev Job said: 'She came here on a social visit pass and told us she was the study mama and guardian for two girls.
'So we guessed she could have lied about her relationship with the kids in order to get a pass here since only mothers and grandmothers are allowed to accompany the students.'
The woman worked illegally at a massage parlour in an HDB estate.
During a raid, she managed to slip away, but lived in fear of being caught by the authorities.
TURMOIL
Rev Job heard of her plight through another study mama.
He said: 'We got in touch with her and told her that she should go back for her own good, and bought her a one-way ticket.
'The woman's friend said the two girls went back shortly after she left.'
It is not clear how long this scam has been happening.
At the end of May, there were about 7,800 study mamas here.
The study mama community has recently been in turmoil, after the murder of one of them on 18 Jun.
Madam Yu Hong Jin was stabbed to death in the Ang Mo Kio massage parlour where she worked, allegedly by hawker Eu Lim Hoklai, 52.
Following the murder, strict new rules came into effect - all massage parlours must now hire only Singaporeans, Singapore PRs and Malaysians, and conduct the services offered in HDB estates in full view of the public.
An education consultant who helps bring in China students said she had heard of parents asking friends or distant relatives to accompany their children here to study.
The woman, who declined to be named, said: 'We hear from our clients that the student's real mother can't come because of family obligations, like looking after the young or aged, so they'll look for a guardian to take care of the child.
'The parents stay behind to work and put the child through school.
'It's a matter of finding the right match - no one will complain because all parties get what they want.'
Another education consultant, with 10 years' experience in bringing in international students, said some agents were willing to risk the child's education for the commission.
He said: 'These are the unscrupulous ones who don't care about the student's welfare. They encourage women and children to lie about their relationship in order to get a student pass.
'There should be more stringent laws to stop them, so that the study mama community won't have a bad name.'
FINE, JAIL
Madam Liu Qing, a study mama from Fujian, criticised such 'underhanded tactics'.
Said the 31-year-old, whose son is in Primary 2: 'I wouldn't entrust my son to someone else. How can anyone risk their child being sent back without getting a proper education?'
An ICA spokesman said: 'ICA will not hesitate to take action against such errant individuals.'
The penalty for making false statements to obtain or attempt to obtain an immigration pass is a fine of up to $4,000, or a jail term not exceeding 12 months, or both.
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She lies that she's mum of her niece
SHE came to Singapore as a study mama using her younger sister'sname and passport.
Then 42, she applied for a social visit pass in July 2004, riding on her niece's status here as a student.
She got to know a Singapore permanent resident, who later became her husband.
Two days after she arrived, the woman returned to China and then came back to Singapore again in August 2004.
This time, she used her own passport and name.
In October that year, she submitted an application for an entry permit to the Immigration and Checkpoints Authority's (ICA) Permanent Residence Services Centre as she intended to live here permanently.
Up to the time of her application, she had to renew her social visit pass monthly.
She found it 'inconvenient' to do so - getting an entry permit would have allowed her to stay in Singapore indefinitely.
However, in assessing her eligibility for the entry permit, an ICA officer found that the woman had lied in her application form. how?
She declared that she had never entered Singapore using another passport or different name, and further stated that the particulars on the form were 'true and correct and that she had not wilfully suppressed any material fact'. How did ICA know she came in on another passport??
She was charged under the Immigration Act for making a false declaration in her permanent residence's application form.
An ICA spokesman said the woman was sentenced to two months in jail.
I will start a scam in PRC and Spore as well!!!Good $,man!
Anyone want to join in???If we failed,we will go to Spore embassy in PRC to demand for jobs!!! -
Those guys in PRC might just shoot you on the spot !Originally posted by foomwee88:2 months jail term only!!! worth it man!!!
I will start a scam in PRC and Spore as well!!!Good $,man!
Anyone want to join in???If we failed,we will go to Spore embassy in PRC to demand for jobs!!!
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I have this feeling that this situation is like the horse of Troy. Where the soldiers hidden in the horse comes out at nite and unlock the city gates, thus causing the fall of Troy. Yes, we keep our voices down and tolerate with all this problems cause by the PDMMS , we choose not to make a big deal or saga out of it. But the number of PDMMS are on the rise, one day some day when the PDMMS are of a huge number, enough to create a political ruckus here, I wonder how much we gonna lose.............
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Good point.Originally posted by equlus84:I have this feeling that this situation is like the horse of Troy. Where the soldiers hidden in the horse comes out at nite and unlock the city gates, thus causing the fall of Troy. Yes, we keep our voices down and tolerate with all this problems cause by the PDMMS , we choose not to make a big deal or saga out of it. But the number of PDMMS are on the rise, one day some day when the PDMMS are of a huge number, enough to create a political ruckus here, I wonder how much we gonna lose.............
Perhaps then, we can all tell our gov; "We told you...." -
...hmmm...
..where are all the PDMMs supporters ?
I guess too many truths about PDMMs got them all thinking deeper...