U r right!!!Originally posted by ShutterBug:While FTs are good for our economy, but what I'd like to see is some form of FILTERING so that we don't get all sorts of vice and crooks coming in.
Our gov should validate and verify these so called PDMMs; have them prove how they are going to support the child's education in Singapore.
Right now, it's like the door is thrown wide open for all from China, and so we get all sorts coming here.
And like I've said, if our gov continues to favor FTs, it will SURELY accumulate more negativity in the next GE.
While FTs are good for our economy, but what I'd like to see is some form of FILTERING so that we don't get all sorts of vice and crooks coming in.Now tat is a difficult thing to do because these crooks and vice r here on visitor pass, nto employment pass. They apply visa to come over here on the premise as a tourist, not worker. If we make strict check on tourists, then we will lose out on tourism from china which is booming in recent years. We may also face some harsh backlash from china and singaprean lose our chance to go to china without visa. Other countries r also facing problems of an influx from china... the best method to go is to keep continuously sweep the crooks and prostitute instead of preventing even tourist from coming over.
Sorry! i am overleafg my thought .u r mentioning about USA ,do u really think USA are the richest country in the world??? and the least happy ppls???Originally posted by stupidissmart:Frankly I do not have any malicious intent when I suggest people to migrate if they find singapore too stressful. IMO I also felt singapore is too stressful and migrating out is a good way to improve the standard of life. If tat is wat u felt, then really, migrate. Do not treat tat statement negatively![]()
Simple, the moment these individuals from China enrols their child into any school here, they will be required to prove in black and white, how they may fund the child's education. Otherwise, the may retain Visitor Pass. Only when their child is enroled, they need convert Visitor Pass to Employment one.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Now tat is a difficult thing to do because these crooks and vice r here on visitor pass, nto employment pass. They apply visa to come over here on the premise as a tourist, not worker. If we make strict check on tourists, then we will lose out on tourism from china which is booming in recent years. We may also face some harsh backlash from china and singaprean lose our chance to go to china without visa. Other countries r also facing problems of an influx from china... the best method to go is to keep continuously sweep the crooks and prostitute instead of preventing even tourist from coming over.
On PDMM, the best way to retain talents and make them patrioctic is to make them live in here for a long timeAnd I believe the bulk of them r here for decent work such as car cleaners etc, working for the beenfit of signapore. We shouldn't again remove all of them because of a few stray sheeps.
u r mentioning about USA ,do u really think USA are the richest country in the world??? and the least happy ppls???The survey shows tat us is less happy than singaporean
Simple, the moment these individuals from China enrols their child into any school here, they will be required to prove in black and white, how they may fund the child's education. Otherwise, the may retain Visitor Pass. Only when their child is enroled, they need convert Visitor Pass to Employment one.And then ? If they can show how to support their child with decent work, why grumble ?
China so far away, Malaysia only next door. I don't know why our gov can play by the book with Malaysia but so flexible with China. It's MONEY! China's so called booming economy. And someone says why do we all whine so much about MONEY.If malaysian wanna come to singapore for work etc, it is a far lesser problem than china
It's because we are making PEANUTS, while they are shovelling in money by the truck load!If their work is decent and legal, why r u jealous of their performance when u fail to compete with them
I think this one and only scheme is entirely wrong!!!Originally posted by ShutterBug:Simple, the moment these individuals from China enrols their child into any school here, they will be required to prove in black and white, how they may fund the child's education. Otherwise, the may retain Visitor Pass. Only when their child is enroled, the need convert Visitor Pass to Employment one.
China so far away, Malaysia only next door. I don't know why our gov can play by the book with Malaysia but so flexible with China. It's MONEY! China's so called booming economy. And someone says why do we all whine so much about MONEY.
It's because we are making PEANUTS, while they are shovelling in money by the truck lodas!
Originally posted by stupidissmart:Pls let me know the criterials how they are selected for i also liko to sponsor my maid's son to come here study then i dont pay her salary and ask her to work as a work permit holder as PDMMs after 1 year.
http://www.getformesingapore.com/previous2005/091005_studymumsituationinsingapore.htm
Mr Speaker Sir, "peidu mama", or study mothers, refer to the group of mothers who are here in Singapore to accompany their children studying here.
As at end Jul 05, there were about 6,800 study mothers in Singapore of whom some two-thirds were from the PRC.
The Ministry of Manpower [b]does not allow study mothers to work during their first year of stay here. This is to enable them to properly supervise their children who are studying in a new environment. Thereafter, they can apply for a Work Permit to work.
As at end Jun 05, less than 1,000 study mothers were holding Work Permits.
Before the Immigration & Checkpoints Authority approves an application for a Student's Pass, it would make sure that the foreign student has been accepted by an approved educational institution.
ICA requires a student studying in our government schools, private education organisations and ITEs to have a local sponsor, who will be responsible for the student.
ICA may also require the student to furnish a security deposit. ICA would not approve the application if it has reason to believe that the applicant is not bona-fide.
These safeguards have been found to be adequate in mitigating any immigration or law and order risk that these students and their mothers may pose.
Out of more than 6,000 study mothers in Singapore, less than 40 study mothers were caught for illegal activities for the period from Jan to Jul 2005.
As such, we see no need at present to review the current procedures for approving student visas. However, let me assure the House that if and when the Home Team detects study mothers abusing their stay here, actions will be taken against them.
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Your are COOL man!Originally posted by zzzdidi:Pls let me know the criterials how they are selected for i also liko to sponsor my maid's son to come here study then i dont pay her salary and ask her to work as a work permit holder as PDMMs after 1 year.
I will be very happy!!! dont need to pay levy and she can earn S$ 1000 p.m.win-win situation ma????
But how to go about it,pls let me know! I will pay u S$2000 as a consultant to process ok??
thanking in advance,stupid---
Can u let me hve yr answer
We and not I, are grumbling about those who resort to felsh tradeWell then I got a surprise for u. Bulk of them (less than 1%) do not resort to flesh trade.
to support their child's education. IF, they are legally and gainfully employed, and DO NOT further tarnish our society, who's going to grumble??
It isn't just about working across the causeway - like for instance,I think the issues goes 2 ways. Negotiation has been ongoing for long and obviously every country care only for their national interest
now even our fighter jets are NOT ALLOWED to fly over their airspace
during training. Why? Because our gov was inflexible over many issues.
One of them being water supply among a multitude of others.
If you bother to count, there are far more of these PDMMs and misc. PRCs who are here because of our exhange rates. As for skilled and IT related industry, they make up a small percentage compared to those from India. How come we don't hear about Indian nationals creating an eye-sore trade here???Probably because singaporean r more interested in chinese than indians
FYI, I'm not employed, I am an employerI don't give a damn. Why bring tis up ?
Pls let me know the criterials how they are selected for i also liko to sponsor my maid's son to come here study then i dont pay her salary and ask her to work as a work permit holder as PDMMs after 1 year.U wanna sponsor her son, can. U go and find out lor
What makes us sad is the superficial increase of the standard of living. However, due to this superficial increase on the surface, it has directly influenced our inner-self's level of a "what makes me happy", even if not at whole, at a comparable ratio.Originally posted by the Bear:what are necessary things?
today, at breakfast, one of the lady colleagues said that her condo, car and a whole lot of other things are "necessities"
to me, if i have a roof over my head, something simple and yummy for meals, friends to chat with, i'm happy..
do i live in an ivory tower?
or do i just have simple needs?
Originally posted by verydisappointed:A very good article indeed, makes a lot of sense to me.
straits times
July 19, 2006
[b]Whether or not we agree with 'unhappy Singaporeans' study, possibility warrants our attention and self-examination
IT MAY come as a surprise to many in Singapore to learn that Singaporeans are the least happy people in Asia (ST, July 13).
Whether we agree with the study by a British think-tank or not, the possibility that we could be warrants our attention and self-examination.
It is generally believed that economic prosperity and material well being are hallmarks of a successful and happy life.
In days gone by, we were led to extol this belief, the influence coming primarily from the so-called First World countries known to be First World due to their economic and technological advancement.
In many ways, Singapore did strive and has become First World, with Singaporeans constantly bombarded with the message that life will be less meaningful if we are left behind by other economically advancing countries.
Now we can boast many things we have developed, acquired and accumulated. To other Asian countries, Singapore seems like paradise.
Yet, are we generally happy, satisfied and contented?
The study says no.
I suppose many will dispute the results of the study.
But before we do so, let us consider what continues to challenge Singaporeans.
One, it was recently reported that someone commits suicide every day. Many more have attempted it.
Two, our mental institution has been expanded and is well occupied, with others seeking treatment from private institutions.
Three, the divorce rate continues to rise, with a high probability of many couples living in estrangement, though not legally divorced.
Four, there are more psychiatrists with more people seeking psychiatric services, with an increasing number of counselling services and the recent growth of family service centres to cater to those with problems.
In fact, despite more counselling services, the Counselling and Care Centre continues to see no decrease in demand for our services.
Finally, as we peek into the future, there will be more social problems as anticipated by the authorities when there are casinos and the probability of increasing incidence of gambling addiction resulting in more personal and family problems.
As we survey the scene, we need to ask if what we strive for really makes life more fruitful, meaningful and satisfying. Material gains do not necessarily lead to psychological, social and spiritual well being.
There must be something more to life than that little extra in terms of economic and material well being.
I learnt this some years ago when I did some work in a small town in India.
During a lecture, a member of the audience asked me if I thought Singapore was a good place to live.
I asked the reason for the question and he said: 'I hear Singapore is prosperous but why do people kill themselves and have mental problems, and divorce is increasing? Here in our part of the world, we have much less but we have time for each other, moments to savour nature around us and our children are happy.'
What was most telling was his concluding comment: 'We are not wealthy, but we are happy.'
Anthony Yeo Consultant Therapist Counselling and Care Centre
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That why we hav been askg U what are the criterials to select her child and her to come here,we suspect something is not right with this scheme???I think u need to get one point straight
My God!!!
Do u know wat we are talking about the issue???
Pls dont make us sick with the joke u are posting???
Pls let us know are u happy???if yes,why?? if no.why???
Originally posted by zzzdidi:hey zzzdidi,
[quote]Originally posted by stupidissmart:
[b]
U wanna sponsor her son, can. U go and find out lorIs her son good at studies ? Otherwise it is hard to find a local school to accept him. How is she gonna support her son in the study here if she is without pay ? If I am nto wrong it is unsubsidised school fees which goes to few hundreds if not thousands.
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That why we hav been askg U what are the criterials to select her child and her to come here,we suspect something is not right with this scheme???
My God!!!
Do u know wat we are talking about the issue???
Pls dont make us sick with the joke u are posting???
Pls let us know are u happy???if yes,why?? if no.why???[/b]
He's just another PAP-zombie.All the while I am just talking sense and facts and now I was branded as "PAP-zombie".
I won't bother with his comments about me either.
You really can't talk sense to someone who's been brain-washed so cleanly
Originally posted by verydisappointed:In my view if we carried out a survey on these suicide,mental illness and divorce cases, a high % relates to $ problems in spore.
straits times
July 19, 2006
[b]Whether or not we agree with 'unhappy Singaporeans' study, possibility warrants our attention and self-examination
IT MAY come as a surprise to many in Singapore to learn that Singaporeans are the least happy people in Asia (ST, July 13).
Whether we agree with the study by a British think-tank or not, the possibility that we could be warrants our attention and self-examination.
It is generally believed that economic prosperity and material well being are hallmarks of a successful and happy life.
In days gone by, we were led to extol this belief, the influence coming primarily from the so-called First World countries known to be First World due to their economic and technological advancement.
In many ways, Singapore did strive and has become First World, with Singaporeans constantly bombarded with the message that life will be less Averagemeaningful if we are left behind by other economically advancing countries.
Now we can boast many things we have developed, acquired and accumulated. To other Asian countries, Singapore seems like paradise.
Yet, are we generally happy, satisfied and contented?
The study says no.
I suppose many will dispute the results of the study.
But before we do so, let us consider what continues to challenge Singaporeans.
One, it was recently reported that someone commits suicide every day. Many more have attempted it.
Two, our mental institution has been expanded and is well occupied, with others seeking treatment from private institutions.
Three, the divorce rate continues to rise, with a high probability of many couples living in estrangement, though not legally divorced.
Four, there are more psychiatrists with more people seeking psychiatric services, with an increasing number of counselling services and the recent growth of family service centres to cater to those with problems.
In fact, despite more counselling services, the Counselling and Care Centre continues to see no decrease in demand for our services.
Finally, as we peek into the future, there will be more social problems as anticipated by the authorities when there are casinos and the probability of increasing incidence of gambling addiction resulting in more personal and family problems.
As we survey the scene, we need to ask if what we strive for really makes life more fruitful, meaningful and satisfying. Material gains do not necessarily lead to psychological, social and spiritual well being.
There must be something more to life than that little extra in terms of economic and material well being.
I learnt this some years ago when I did some work in a small town in India.
During a lecture, a member of the audience asked me if I thought Singapore was a good place to live.
I asked the reason for the question and he said: 'I hear Singapore is prosperous but why do people kill themselves and have mental problems, and divorce is increasing? Here in our part of the world, we have much less but we have time for each other, moments to savour nature around us and our children are happy.'
What was most telling was his concluding comment: 'We are not wealthy, but we are happy.'
Anthony Yeo Consultant Therapist Counselling and Care Centre
[/b]
Looks to me, it has come to a point, where it is pointless to voice opinions, complain, grumble or feedback. Coz they either didn't hear us, don't believe us, or simply don't take us seriously.Originally posted by zzzdidi:In my view if we carried out a survey on these suicide,mental illness and divorce cases, a high % relates to $ problems in spore.
Average Sporeans are struggling to make ends met, salaried earned in one pocket will disappear from the other pocket within a month.Some of them even unemployed and to live with debts,that why the suicide,mental illness and divorce cases increasing significantly.
To resolve the hich cost issue in Spore,our gov shd look into it promptly and not just to deny it and let it grow which will make us more unhappy and bring along with more social problems.
Yes, There are such people.Originally posted by will4:I see in Spore majority of the cars nice n expensive. I wonder if people no need to buy the car, they still need to buy? Is is really necessary to spend
money on a nice item in order to earn praise? I heard people after buying car became not happy after not being able to service the car loan. They started to blame the government for their predicament.![]()