Bye bye MY water by 2011
-
Confirmed half of water extracted locallyAt present, around 680,000 cubic metres of Singapore's water consumption is sourced from domestic reservoirs.[/quote]---
The Straits Times 16 Nov 05,''Nature conservation and water: A link worth noting'' by Lee Poh Onnmore rosy picture of water extracted locally in 2011---
minimum 1,306,000 m3 per day.
compared with sales of potable water of 1,206,000 m3 in 2005.
pl read also previous post in this thraed and old threads listed in the end
of this post.
Marina Reservoir will increase 136,000 m3 per dayIt will then meet 10 percent of Singapore's current water demand.
1.Common wisdom in late 1990's and early 2000's is that sg water demand
per day is 300mgd(million gallon per day) or 1,360,000 m3.read previous
post in this thread.
Intergration of reservoirs will increase 95,000 m3 per dayWater Supply
With this new Marina reservoir in the city, two-thirds of Singapore will become water catchment areas with one-sixth as the catchment of Marina Reservoir. The Marina ReservoirÂ’s storage capacity is not big enough. So excess water from the Marina Reservoir will be pumped to the Upper Peirce Reservoir for storage before treatment. We are linking up all the reservoirs for surplus water to be channelled to other reservoirs increasing the yield of water extracted by 14%.
2.1,360,000 m3 x 50% from loacl catchment x 14%=95,000 m3
More rosy water supply in 2011
2.Projected sources of water supply in 2011,per day,in m3
Confirmed half of water extracted locally
[quote] At present, around 680,000 cubic metres of Singapore's water consumption is sourced from domestic reservoirs.---
The Straits Times 16 Nov 05,''Nature conservation and water: A link worth noting'' by Lee Poh Onn
Local catchment............650,000...m3 ,as at '03,50% of demand(state secret)
NEWater................290,000
Desalination .................136,000...(30 mgd---million gallon per day)
Marina Reservoir ..........135,000... (see NOTE 1 below)
Intergration of reservoirs......95.000
New reservoirs.........??????(note 3)
variable salinity plant...................????(NOTE 5 in previous post,can increase catchment to 90%)
membrane distillation...................????(pilot testing.read link of salinity plant)
(NOTE 6 in previous post)
Total minimum .........1,306,000 m3 per day
NOTE
1.Marina Reservoir increase catchment(100 km2) from 50% to two third
of Sg land ,ie increase of 30 % area of catchment.
This reservoir will supply 10% of demand ,ie increase
of 20% of local yield of extraction.(10/50=20%)
Top:New catchment 100 km2 of Marina reservoir:fr URA gallery
u can see Peirce and MacRachite Reservoirs near the top.Bedok Res.is east of the proposed catchment.This covers the most populated area.East to Eunos,north to AMK and west to Commonwealth.Follows the rivers flowing to Marina Basin then u know the catchment.
Future catchment,after completion of Reservoirs of Sg Puggol,
Sg Serangoon & Extension of Lower Seletar Reservoir.
Beige in color is current water catchment area.Green is water
catchment area of proposed Reservoirs of Marina,Sg Puggol ,
Sg Serangoon and and Lower Seletar.All the new and extended
reservoirs will be ready in 6 years .
Old threads for references
u can see how my predictions envolve ,more technology info
of sg water and how sg water industry goes West
--to the rich Middle East.
Water conflict flushed away. July 2005
Only 30% water fr MY in 2011 Nov 2005
Confirmed half of water extracted locallyAt present, around 680,000 cubic metres of Singapore's water consumption is sourced from domestic reservoirs.
---The Straits Times 16 Nov 05,''Nature conservation and water: A link worth noting''
by Lee Poh Onn
added 25.09.2006Today, Singapore consumes about 300 million gallons of water per day, which is equivalent to about 500 Olympic-sized swimming pools of water. By 2011, we will consume about one-third more.
Lets say what PUB means is 400mgd,,then it is 1,800,000 m3.. -
singapore use sea water to flush? and that gonna save u guys heaps of fresh water..like hong kong..
-
2.sg use tap water to flush,unlike HK.The cons of dual systems:Originally posted by saday:singapore use sea water to flush? and that gonna save u guys heaps of fresh water..like hong kong..
--to build 2 pipes network
--every drop of sewage is collected and treated before(1)discharged into sea
(2)further treated into industrial water or NEWater.
The sys may have problems to treat sea water in mass scale.
3.pl read my postings in this thread for industrial water or NEWater.and the
variable salinity plant:treat sea and rain water into tap water.
''An $8-million demonstration plant that can produce one million gallons of drinking water daily is under construction at Sungei Tampines and is expected to be completed by the end of 2006. ''
this method comes to second stage and if fully successful,
90 % of spore can be turned into water catchment area,compared
with half currently and two-third in 2009. -
Leaking in England and Wales one day is equal to Sg's 3 days usage!!--read below
no water meter in London?how can they collect water tariffs?Thames Water hopes to install water meters in every home in London from 2010, the company has announced.
From this week, in a trial run, all homes in the south London areas of Bromley and Croydon will get meters for free when the occupants change......
Thames Water is currently conducting two other trials in Swindon in Wiltshire and Chigwell, Essex.
see how they charge without meters
Note: one m3 =1,000 liters.sg daily sales of potable water of 1,206,000 m3 in 2005.
2.Leaking in England and Wales one day is equal to Sg's 3 days usageTotal leakages in England and Wales hit almost 3,600 million litre per day, compared with 5,000 a decade earlier.
Five highest leakage figures:
Thames - 895m litres/day
Severn Trent - 540m l/day
United Utilities - 475m l/day
Yorkshire - 295m l/day
Dwr Cymru - 225m l/day
Source: Ofwat
3.The problems of water shortage can be almost solved by
fixing all leakages.Simple.Sg Non Revenue Water(leaking)
is about 6 %,second lowest in the world after Japan .
Do the simple and must do thing first,before building majestic dams!! -
guys may i asked how much does singapore paid for malaysian water per gallon/gallons and how much does it will caused using newater or anyother plan tabled by the government per gallon/gallons?
-
2.From Jan 2005,NEWater selling at S$1.15 m3,while the cost is 30 cents only.Originally posted by SureRock:guys may i asked how much does singapore paid for malaysian water per gallon/gallons and how much does it will caused using newater or anyother plan tabled by the government per gallon/gallons?
Of course u hv to count the RD cost,and many infrastructures etc.
3.Hyflux desalination,lowest at S 78 cents m3,subject to complex formula.
but in the 1st year,it is gurantee at 78 cents.
this 78 cents was said a land mark price for other places.
4.with more mature of other methods,cost ,and hopefiully prices also,
will drops. -
List if construction sites situated in respective catchment areas
Earth Control Measures (ECM) at Construction Sites
Message is clear.If u polluate the water catchment area,the dirty water(thou treated) will flows into your throat one day.
2.flood prone area
Drainage management and flood control
Flooding along Tanjong Katong Road in 1985. This flood situation is a thing of the past after the completion of the flood alleviation scheme in the Tanjong Katong area in 1993. -
every drop of water counts.Storm water collection ponds not just collecting water,also prevent floodings.
Every bit counts
2.In 2005,there are 13 storm water collection ponds in Spore.They are able to provide 15 mgd (million gallon per day),about 5 % of daily needs.
No land is left idle in Singapore, not even the land underneath flyovers. Stormwater ponds are built at these sites. The one under the SLE and BKE interchange at Kranji is the first of its kind. During the thunderstorms, water collects in the concrete pond, and is then pumped into the Seletar Reservoir. It is enough to meet the needs of more than 10,000 households, and is a solution that neatly addresses two of Singapore's most pressing constraints: land and water.
Some are 4 story high..
3.The Sungei Sembawang Pond has a storage volume of 110,000-m3, while Sungei Sembawang Kechil has a storage volume of 57,000-m3.
4.There is one beneath school field in Woodlans Crescent. -
current and future water catchment in Singapore
26.09.2006 posting in this thread
top from URA Gallery in 2005/2006
Private Sewers Rehab Programmes for Marina Catchment( 2006 to 2012)
Captions:Now half of Spore are catchment area.It will increase to two--third by 2009.
Dark Green: Pungol /Serangoon catchment
Light Green:Marina Catchment(Lion's note---Marina Catchment about 100 km2)
2.Pl note Bedok ,Tampines and Pasir Ris Towns are currently catchment area.
My God.All are urban areas!!!
3.Currently,half of Sg area as catchment yield half of our needs.
How much water can we extract from two--third of sg area as catchment ,
by 2009? -
Pilot water treatment plant starts tests next month,By Wong Mun Wai, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 31 January 2007
SINGAPORE: A pilot water treatment plant, which is able to treat both river and seawater, will begin testing next month.
If successful, the idea is to use more of such plants in rivers around the country to increase Singapore's ability to treat water.
Current water treatment plants can either only treat river water or seawater, but not both.
The pilot plant costs S$7.5m to build and can treat and filter both river and seawater to produce drinking water.
The PUB's aim is to increase Singapore's water catchment area from 67 percent to 90 percent.
However, the 90 percent target is still two years away, and the technology is aimed at achieving the target and could also potentially mean cheaper water for consumers and industries........
2.Two new reservoirs will be created in the northeast of Singapore, when Sungei Punggol and Sungei Serangoon are dammed.
Singapore's waterways to receive makeover,By Yvonne Yong, channelnewsasia.com | Posted: 30 January 2007
-
What NeWater, old water?
The water we are drinking maybe over 3 billion years old liao ok. -
2.just in case u really dunt know.Originally posted by Hogzilla:What NeWater, old water?
The water we are drinking maybe over 3 billion years old liao ok.
what is NEWater
-
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Now not only your thead, your reply also prompts me to +1.
2.just in case u really dunt know.
what is NEWater
Dun think people act blur, then they are really blur, OK? -
Retail Prices of Various sources of water ,from the most expensive:
(Pl note the costs of each type are unknown)
Local and foreign catchment:$1.17 to $1.40 a cubic metre
................ which households currently pay.
Desalination:Lowest at 78 Singapore cents a cubic metre when selling to ..................government ,according to a formula .It will float with oil price etc .
Variable salinity plant: unknown(Strait Times pg 3,01 Feb 2007
...................confirmed cheaper than desalination water
..................... but expensive than NEWater.)
NEWater:(reduce from )$ 1.30 per cubic metre to $1.15 per cubic metre with effect from 1 Jan 2005.
2.
more NEWater from Kranji
Kranji, Singapore. The Public Utilities Board (PUB) of Singapore...This contract is worth €8.5 million, and is the fourth awarded to Veolia Water Solutions & Technologies by PUB.
---http://www.veoliawater.com/access/press/?news=1370
In January 2002, PUB awarded Veolia Water, through its subsidiary Veolia Water Solutions & Technologies, the construction of a plant with the capacity to produce 40,000 cubic meters of recycled water a day from secondary effluent. Following a first plant extension in 2005, the new extension will increase production capacity to 82,000 cubic meters a day on completion of the contract, scheduled for the third quarter of 2007.
The ultra pure water, supplied to local industry, undergoes microfiltration, reverse osmosis and UV treatment.....
3.NEWater is running fast"Demand for NEWater has been steadily increasing since it was launched in 2003. The volume of NEWater has jumped 35 percent from 68,000 cubic metres per day in 2004 to 92,000 cubic metres per day in 2005," said Mr Lim Chiow Giap, PUB's Director for Water Supply (Plants)..
,---https://www.pub.gov.sg/annualreport2005/Flow_quenching_an_industrial_thirst.html
4.South east Queensland will use reclycled water but No Vote
Sg is not alone in using reclycled water.
Aussie PM predicts water recycling backflips,By Maria Hawthorne and Robin Pash,January 29, 2007 ,
OTHER states will have to go down Queensland's path of recycling drinking water, Prime Minister John Howard says.
QLD Premier sorry for cancelling vote on using reclycled water.
Same as SG,no vote on reclyced water. -
That's why only stupid and senile old hack like that M felle from neighbour third world thinks that the water he drinks is diffenent from newaterOriginally posted by Hogzilla:What NeWater, old water?
The water we are drinking maybe over 3 billion years old liao ok.
-
Business Times called ''Variable salinity plant'',which is able to treat both river and seawater, 5th National Tap .
This news reported that GE,Siemens etc contributed technology to
5th National Tap to start flowing this month - February 1, 2007
A NEW type of desalination plant at Sungei Tampines will come on stream this month as part of a government push to boost Singapore's domestic water supply.
http://business-times.asiaone.com/sub/news/story/0,4574,223146,00.html - size 30.4K
this plant.
2.very few countries open reservoirs for recreations--except SG
Reservoirs have been thrown open to water sports like wakeboarding, canoeing and dragon racing.(above)
The Singapore Flyer (above) will transform the skyline.
The bridge across Marina Reservoir ,which collect water from
most urbanized area(incl CBD) in Singapore.
26,000 seats temporary grand stand and floating platform ,
120m x 83m(one football field)in Marina Reservoir.
Right behind the grand stand is Raffles Ave and Sun Tec City.
news here ,click.PDF file---http://www.dsta.gov.sg/home/admin/MiscFiles/myImages/070201_today_pg54.pdf
photo pdf file
sources of news -
Ya lor.Originally posted by audiovideo:That's why only stupid and senile old hack like that M felle from neighbour third world thinks that the water he drinks is diffenent from newater
Sekali the water he just drank passed through my dick ten years ago.
-
Obviously Dr. M is not too happy about Singapore finding other sources of water, given it is a nice way of effectively removing on of their most potent political weapons.
If one is really so fixated on drinking "natural" water, they really should just scoop straight from the river and drain and drink from that... truth is, even your normal tap water has been treated from a source that is quite undrinkable... NEWater is simply just another in the whole array of water treatment methods, one that makes it possible to treat water that was previously not treatable.
So what's the issue here? Except that a certain country has lost one of its more valuable playing chips but they don't really expect Singapore to keep being held down by it and not take any action do they?
Bottom line: if we can get a more reliable and cheaper source of water then what we are getting from them... common sense tells us we would be fools not to use this source and keep getting our water some other place. -
u wont believe water independence in 2011.but pl read on.
sg sales of potable water in down trend!!!
year...................2002......03.......04.......05
population(m)....4.17.....4.19.....4.24....4.35
land(km2)............685.....697......699.....699.
Water treated..1,315...1,360....1,369.....1,352( m3 in 1000/day)
Sale of potable..1,259...1,224...1,203....1,206(m3..in 1000/day)
water
read www.ura.gov.sg.
2.Why sewage is on the up trend but sale of potable water on down trend?
This is because of more NEWater and Industral water are produced and used.
Also,i think more in--house reclycled water are used and hard to
get the info from the public.
3.This table make me sleep soundly---not afraid water tap to be shut off. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Recycled water will always be limited. You can never achieve self-sufficiency that way. You need a large catchment area, and that is where Singapore must really really come to a realistic agreement with Malaysia. Self sufficiency is a pipe-dream, in my opinion, unless you do massive desalination of sea-water at a high cost.
u wont believe water independence in 2011.but pl read on.
sg sales of potable water in down trend!!!
year...................2002......03.......04.......05
population(m)....4.17.....4.19.....4.24....4.35
land(km2)............685.....697......699.....699.
[b]Water treated..1,315...1,360....1,369.....1,352( m3 in 1000/day)
Sale of potable..1,259...1,224...1,203....1,206(m3..in 1000/day)
water
read www.ura.gov.sg.
2.Why sewage is on the up trend but sale of potable water on down trend?
This is because of more NEWater and Industral water are produced and used.
Also,i think more in--house reclycled water are used and hard to
get the info from the public.
3.This table make me sleep soundly---not afraid water tap to be shut off.[/b] -
Originally posted by chiabaliao:
2.yield of NEWater is 75%.Let say is 70%,1 drop of fresh water
Recycled water will always be limited. You can never achieve self-sufficiency that way. You need a large catchment area, and that is where Singapore must really really come to a realistic agreement with Malaysia. Self sufficiency is a pipe-dream, in my opinion, unless you do massive desalination of sea-water at a high cost.
become almost 3 drops of fresh water.
3.No need to think too hard if we have enough water in the future.
Someone already treat it as death or alive issue and pour
much resources.
We have 5 taps--note,not 4 taps anymore
1.Local catchment and run to reservoirs
2.Imported water
3.NEWater
4.Desalination
5.Variable salinity plant---convert rain water and sea water in river -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
It will be a matter of life and death if certain powers cannot handle foreign relationship. Water is not the life and death matter.
2[b].yield of NEWater is 75%.Let say is 70%,1 drop of fresh water
become almost 3 drops of fresh water.
3.No need to think too hard if we have enough water in the future.
Someone already treat it as death or alive issue and pour
much resources.
We have 5 taps--note,not 4 taps anymore
1.Local catchment and run to reservoirs
2.Imported water
3.NEWater
4.Desalination
5.Variable salinity plant---convert rain water and sea water in river
[/b] -
2.without powers of military and ,economics(huge foreign reserve to fightOriginally posted by chiabaliao:It will be a matter of life and death if certain powers cannot handle foreign relationship. Water is not the life and death matter.
against currenct war),there is no relationships.
This only happen before you reach higher primary. -
Power of military and foreign reserves going to tikum tikum Shincorp are not going to help you make friends . Some naive ruling elites simply think that people will respect you for both and talk arrogantly. That's the failure of foreign policy at kindergarten level.Originally posted by lionnoisy:2.without powers of military and ,economics(huge foreign reserve to fight
against currenct war),there is no relationships.
This only happen before you reach higher primary. -
Population increases but sales of first tie water drops!!
Note Supply of NEWater will be increased to 88.8m m3,about 18 % of water sales!!
Sources of NEWater and industrial water is unlimited!!Key Performance Indicators
sum of domestic & non--domestic
....................Actual Actual Revised Projected
.................. FY2004 FY2005 FY2006 FY2007
Total domestic consumption of potable
water (million m3)
.......................250.4..... 253.3.....255.9.... 258.4
Total non-domestic consumption of potable
water (million m3)
.......................188.7...... 186.9 ....189.8... 155.6
million m3 of NEWater sale.. 20.0.. 26.7.. 30.4.. 88.8
million m3 of industrial ..38.2.. 40.7.. 43.3.. 29.0
water sale
Volume of used water treated
(million m3)
..........................501.2.... 499.2... 500.5....... 505.0
Domestic water consumption per person
(litres/day).........162.......... 160 ......158......... 157
m3 million...........439.1....440.2....445.7.....414.0
year............2002.......03.....04.......05....06
population(m).4.17...4.19...4.24....4.35....4.48
HEAD L
MINISTRY OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND WATER RESOURCES word file