Israel Attacks Lebanon
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Too long ... Let me help you..Originally posted by oxford mushroom:You want to know how the UN says about the matter?http://www.un.org/unrwa/refugees/whois.html
The UN cannot do anything if the US continue to side with Israel over this issue. An example of UN resolutions against Israel and the US veto:
A selected list (full list too long) of US vetoes cast against UN Security Council Resolutions on Palestine
A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"
U.S. Vetoes of UN Resolutions Critical of Israel from 1972 to 2002
Security Council Vetoes/Negative voting from 1983 to 2001
http://www.action-for-un-renewal.org.uk/pages/isreal_un_resolutions.htm
However, the most important UNSC resolution 181, 242, 338 surprisingly was not listed.
UN Resolution 242 required "Israel" to withdraw from the land it occupied
in 1967 (Sinai, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights).
UN Resolution 338 calls upon all parties to the present fighting to cease all firing and terminate all military activity immediately, no later than 12 hours after the moment of the adoption of this decision, in the positions they now occupy;
Calls upon the parties concerned to start immediately after the cease-fire the implementation of Security Council resolution 242 (1967) in all of its parts;
UN Resolution 181 also declared Jerusalem to be a corpus separatum - a separate body, to be run under an international UN administration. The area to be run in this way included all of Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Beit Sahour, to encompass the Christian holy sites. -
Don't talk about your "certain world moral ethics". Both sides have did un-ethical actions against each other.
Palestnian been poor & without big guns do not "qualify/justify" their actions of Terrorism. Just like been poor does not make robbing less guilty. Same as, having big guns do not "qualify/justify" as police or judge against another.
In any case I hope you truly understand "been poor cannot justify Terrorism".
Seems UN can only talk from 1967 for Israel to withdraw, nothing much have changed. Why is it such? Why UN don't just go on war or do something serious to Israel's action? Guess both UN's & Israel's pay-check is back mostly by US. US major financial sector is control by Jews. See the link? The world is not in perfect balance.
In regards to Hama's election, don't you understand politics are all bad? Those in power would always want their own people to run the Government. Not just in Israel, everywhere. My guess Hama's have fallen into a trap. It's either Isreal govern the area or Hama is put into a situation where they cannot efficiently control the state.
Banking line was block by Israel I think. That large amount of money, no matter who brings in, will need to be declared. Maybe Israel will find ways to block it even if declared. That's the law. Needs to be declared if it's above certain amount of cash. If I did not remember wrong, the officer was caught after Egpt border (Israel Side). That's leave the case had happened on Israel land & Palestinian Authority cannot rule over this money. Just an example for you in case you don't understand (Don't jump), you can't use Malaysia law for cases happened in Singapore.
Again I think you may have mis-understood. I don't deny that this money may have to be use for people only. There are many sides to this story. It maybe Isreal wants to weaken them. It maybe used to support people for Terrorism including making of bombs & rockets. Don'f forget Terrorist also need food while doing bad deeds. It's words against words. Only people actually do this knows. Not you & I can confirm this. I just wonder why don't they transfer the money in small portions by many people? Just like money laundry method. Guess they don't trust their own guys either?
To me "...or Terrorism will also likely flow." Seems to me you support Terrorism?? If one day you are robbed & cut. The robber was caught will the law & yourself forgive him without punishment because he is poor & needed the money? No matter what case it is, actions of hurt is un-justify without some punishment.
Don't jump into conclusion easily. I did not say GAZA, it's your words. The world is not always perfect. -
Why some people keep saying this term 'terrorist' or 'terrorism' , it is clear they are resistance figthers. By the way, with how Israel killed so many innocent civilians, they are the most organized terrorist group themselves.
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You see, that's one of the reasons why so many people have sympathy with Israel. They are really good in psychological warfare. They turn things around, black becomes white, white becomes black. Imagine, even you got sent this 'message'. Im not surprised at all. But I would be surprised if someone sent you a message from the Palestinian president or Lebanese president, speaking eloquently about their nation struggle. Do you have any? Have you read any of such 'message' ? So imagine the reach and their effect.Originally posted by TehJarVu:Someone sent me this:-
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FROM THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL
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They are really good in this stuff man, just recently they hacked into Hezbollah TV and FM radio stations in Lebanon. -
Originally posted by surfer188:
Yes , both side have done un-ethical actions.. But Israel have often claimed to be the victim and spout the moral high ground.
Don't talk about your "certain world moral ethics". Both sides have did un-ethical actions against each other.Palestnian been poor & without big guns do not "qualify/justify" their actions of Terrorism. Just like been poor does not make robbing less guilty. Same as, having big guns do not "qualify/justify" as police or judge against another.
I didn't say poor justify Terrorism.. but oppression is and being poor as a result of it do breeds Terrorism.
In any case I hope you truly understand "been poor cannot justify Terrorism".Seems UN can only talk from 1967 for Israel to withdraw, nothing much have changed. Why is it such? Why UN don't just go on war or do something serious to Israel's action? Guess both UN's & Israel's pay-check is back mostly by US. US major financial sector is control by Jews. See the link? The world is not in perfect balance.
Nicely put.. and I have long known this.In regards to Hama's election, don't you understand politics are all bad? Those in power would always want their own people to run the Government. Not just in Israel, everywhere. My guess Hama's have fallen into a trap. It's either Isreal govern the area or Hama is put into a situation where they cannot efficiently control the state.
I was just reply to your post.. remember ?Banking line was block by Israel I think. That large amount of money, no matter who brings in, will need to be declared. Maybe Israel will find ways to block it even if declared. That's the law. Needs to be declared if it's above certain amount of cash. If I did not remember wrong, the officer was caught after Egpt border (Israel Side). That's leave the case had happened on Israel land & Palestinian Authority cannot rule over this money. Just an example for you in case you don't understand (Don't jump), you can't use Malaysia law for cases happened in Singapore.
Because.. Israel has encircled and seiging Palestine... else why do you think they need to pass Israel ?Again I think you may have mis-understood. I don't deny that this money may have to be use for people only. There are many sides to this story. It maybe Isreal wants to weaken them. It maybe used to support people for Terrorism including making of bombs & rockets. Don'f forget Terrorist also need food while doing bad deeds. It's words against words. Only people actually do this knows. Not you & I can confirm this. I just wonder why don't they transfer the money in small portions by many people? Just like money laundry method. Guess they don't trust their own guys either?
Transfer small amount ?.. to run a country with 10 million is peanuts.To me "...or Terrorism will also likely flow." Seems to me you support Terrorism?? If one day you are robbed & cut. The robber was caught will the law & yourself forgive him without punishment because he is poor & needed the money? No matter what case it is, actions of hurt is un-justify without some punishment.
I am not supporting terrorism.. in part because I do see that the Palestinian do have a legit argument of Resistance. They do need the money.Don't jump into conclusion easily. I did not say GAZA, it's your words. The world is not always perfect.
Is this what you wrote....Originally posted by surfer188
There is always a out-cry of illegal occupations of Palestnian land. Some may be true, some not. From the Israellis side, not my view, their land was mostly bought thru a transactions of gold. Then I believe Israelli grow or expand their land. This may have cause the confusion. I think Isreal have uses some methods to suppress others. Not ethical either. -
Sorry about that. I must have misunderstood your meaning.Originally posted by MobyDog:Hi, SilverPal.
I know the difference, and I did say that it may not be a good example. Because my whole general post is about... " what made a Suicide bomber do what he does ".. and not all suicide bombers are religious fanatics.
In today's straits Times papers, an article mentioned that out of 41 Lebanese suicide bombers, only 8 are fanatics, the other 28 are resistance to occupation, which includes christians.
Sadly Israel will only create more of these resistance fighters with their war. But then again, would things be any better if they did not defend themselves? -
I'd like to understand your views better, do you think there is a difference between terrorists and freedom/resistance fighters? Do you agree with the Geneva Convention's definition of terrorists?Originally posted by #$%^&*:Why some people keep saying this term 'terrorist' or 'terrorism' , it is clear they are resistance figthers. By the way, with how Israel killed so many innocent civilians, they are the most organized terrorist group themselves.
Many people tell me terrorists are soldiers who are too poor to buy their own uniforms.
Having been a soldier during my NS, I have come to my own definition of terrorists: Those who, by force of arms, delibrately target civillian personnel and structures which have no direct bearing on military purposes.
If I have made a mistake in my belief of what is a terrorist, please feel free to correct me.
All fighters are resistance fighters. The palestinians, Osama Bin Laden, JI, Tamil Tigers, Abu Sayaf are all fighting against oppression in some form or another. The americans, British, Fillipino, Israelis are also fighting against the oppression of their beliefs, their lifestyle and their freedom in an international geopolitical sense.
At the end of the day, are there no terrorists since every one, uniformed or otherwise, is fighting against oppression? -
VIVA LA RESISTANCE!
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Originally quoted by Donut
Habollah is not stupid enough to tell you that they captured 2 Israelis soldiers inside Lebanon, in a town called "Qiriat Shmona", right ? ?
Afer all your arguements, you are now indirectly admitting you are subjectively chooing your so called "Fact' & indirectly admitting you are indeed a Moron ? ?Originally posted by MobyDog:Like wise, Neither would you expect the israelis to say the opposite.
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Originally posted by Dounut:
Shaking head...
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Originally quoted by Donut
[b]Habollah is not stupid enough to tell you that they captured 2 Israelis soldiers inside Lebanon, in a town called "Qiriat Shmona", right ? ?
Afer all your arguements, you are now indirectly admitting you are subjectively chooing your so called "Fact' & indirectly admitting you are indeed a Moron ? ? [/b].. just admit you made a mistake.
BTW, even the Israelis never claimed they were captured from 'Qiriat Shmona'.... Ha ha -
Originally posted by Dounut:Nia. You are wrong. Go find out.
can't find more the 1 US in america...can explain or not -
I am only using Qiriat Shmona as an Example based on your arguement, I never said 2 IDF soldiers were captured there.Originally posted by MobyDog:BTW, even the Israelis never claimed they were captured from 'Qiriat Shmona'.... Ha ha
You jump into your own conclusion again ! !
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Example:Originally posted by ctstalin: can't find more the 1 US in america...can explain or not
When you said "Korea", which Korea you are refering to ? ?
Same for "United States", which United States you are refering to ? ?
Of coz, if you said "United States of America", there is only ONE country called United States of America in America.
Go find out again
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wtf? i can understand the 1st sentence but i cant make any sense out of the 2nd sentenceOriginally posted by Dounut:Example:
When you said "Korea", which Korea you are refering to ? ?
Same for "United States", which United States you are refering to ? ?
Of coz, if you said "United States of America", there is only ONE country called United States of America in America.
Go find out again
u mean to say there is another United States other than the Unted States of America in America?
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The above is a statement and not as an example.. Nice spinOriginally posted by Dounut:I am only using Qiriat Shmona as an [b]Example based on your arguement, I never said 2 IDF soldiers were captured there.
You jump into your own conclusion again ! !
You are also contradicting yourself with your reply posts ! !
[/b][/quote]Jumping to conclusion ??
[quote]Originally quoted by Donut
Habollah is not stupid enough to tell you that they captured 2 Israelis soldiers inside Lebanon, in a town called "Qiriat Shmona", right ? ?
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israel should continue this war against hezbolla. israel cant eliminate hezbolla totally but at least try to weaken its military capabiity and most impt hold the UN to pressure hezbolla military supply source syria and IRAN.
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The Lebanese govt's response to UN resolution 1559 is the cause of the current conflict.
The Syrians and Lebanese are using Shebaa Farms as an excuse for not disarming Hezbollah and accuse Israel of still occupying Lebanon.
Shebaa Farms was taken with the Golan Heights during the six-day war,1967.
Fast forward to the present. Out of the blue, Lebanon become interested in this strip of land. Syria, which has claimed it as her territory and even once repelled the Lebanese military from taking the land suddenly declared that it was presented as a gift to Lebanon some time during the fifties.
The firing of rockets into Israeli territories has been going on and off before
the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers and the killing of another eight more gave Israel a reason to retaliate.
What if Israel is willing to give up Shebaa Farms? There's still other villages in dispute close to the blue line. How about a small abandoned village, Nkhaile?
An immediate ceasefire will only let the situation simmer until it explode again.
Must defang Hezbollah now. -
This is a classic example of "reasonable person's intepretation".Originally posted by Dounut:Example:
When you said "Korea", which Korea you are refering to ? ?
Same for "United States", which United States you are refering to ? ?
Of coz, if you said "United States of America", there is only ONE country called United States of America in America.
Go find out again
When a person talks, a listener will take and understand the words spoken in the context of the topic being discussed, unless the statement or words used are very ambiguous and the listener cannot possibly understand the meaning of the speaker.
For example, when chatting about computer networks and how computers communicate, one would understand that a "handshake" is not a social gesture that people indulge in when meeting for the first time. Also, IP would not mean Intellectual Property.
When I tell you that I'm talking on my phone while walking down orchard road, you would not ask me how come my home phone can stretch so far as to enter orchard. And when I said home phone, I mean land line. A mobile phone placed at home is not considered a home phone.
Similarly, the popular usage of calling the COUNTRY of America has many forms. The COUNTRY America can be called "the US" (not them and us, but U.S.), "America" (the COUNTRY not the continent), "The United States (in this paragraph I am talking about the one in the continent of America), "USA" (do I really have to keep explaining everytime?), "US of A (you are seriously delusional if you can take this one out of context).
When you asked how many united states there are, after so many pages of discussion regarding THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and one of her allies, you have taken the discussion out of context.
When Armstrong landed on the moon, he said "... and giant step for mankind..." Is that statement sexist? What about womankind?
When you talk about the PDMMs or about PRCs, then you question about which china am I refering to, that would mean you either are not following the conversation or you really have a medical problem preventing you from understanding simple things.
When I say Korea, it really depends on what we were discussing that warranted the mention of korea. In 1 conversation, I could be talking about S. Korea, in another conversation I could be talking about N. Korea. Now do I have to explain what is the "S" and "N" that I just put before Korea? After all, it could stand for anything. -
I think those in Hezbollah are thinking that they must defang Israel now. I really don't know who is in the right or who is in the wrong, but each is not strong enough to defang the other, that would result in a long drawn out war.Originally posted by googoomuck:The Lebanese govt's response to UN resolution 1559 is the cause of the current conflict.
The Syrians and Lebanese are using Shebaa Farms as an excuse for not disarming Hezbollah and accuse Israel of still occupying Lebanon.
Shebaa Farms was taken with the Golan Heights during the six-day war,1967.
Fast forward to the present. Out of the blue, Lebanon become interested in this strip of land. Syria, which has claimed it as her territory and even once repelled the Lebanese military from taking the land suddenly declared that it was presented as a gift to Lebanon some time during the fifties.
The firing of rockets into Israeli territories has been going on and off before
the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers and the killing of another eight more gave Israel a reason to retaliate.
What if Israel is willing to give up Shebaa Farms? There's still other villages in dispute close to the blue line. How about a small abandoned village, Nkhaile?
An immediate ceasefire will only let the situation simmer until it explode again.
Must defang Hezbollah now. -
erm...interesting, so how many United States are there in America?Originally posted by SilverPal:This is a classic example of "reasonable person's intepretation".
When a person talks, a listener will take and understand the words spoken in the context of the topic being discussed, unless the statement or words used are very ambiguous and the listener cannot possibly understand the meaning of the speaker.
For example, when chatting about computer networks and how computers communicate, one would understand that a "handshake" is not a social gesture that people indulge in when meeting for the first time. Also, IP would not mean Intellectual Property.
When I tell you that I'm talking on my phone while walking down orchard road, you would not ask me how come my home phone can stretch so far as to enter orchard. And when I said home phone, I mean land line. A mobile phone placed at home is not considered a home phone.
Similarly, the popular usage of calling the COUNTRY of America has many forms. The COUNTRY America can be called "the US" (not them and us, but U.S.), "America" (the COUNTRY not the continent), "The United States (in this paragraph I am talking about the one in the continent of America), "USA" (do I really have to keep explaining everytime?), "US of A (you are seriously delusional if you can take this one out of context).
When you asked how many united states there are, after so many pages of discussion regarding THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and one of her allies, you have taken the discussion out of context.
When Armstrong landed on the moon, he said "... and giant step for mankind..." Is that statement sexist? What about womankind?
When you talk about the PDMMs or about PRCs, then you question about which china am I refering to, that would mean you either are not following the conversation or you really have a medical problem preventing you from understanding simple things.
When I say Korea, it really depends on what we were discussing that warranted the mention of korea. In 1 conversation, I could be talking about S. Korea, in another conversation I could be talking about N. Korea. Now do I have to explain what is the "S" and "N" that I just put before Korea? After all, it could stand for anything. -
Map of the United States of America
A detailed information of each state can be studied at this referenced site from 50States.
Shall we head back to where the action is - in Lebanon,
Middle-east,
on the eastern shores of the Mediternean Sea,
or the western shores of the Asian Continent ?
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i know there are a lot of states in the United States of America.
so how many United States are there in America? -
Originally posted by ctstalin:
There are 50 states in the United States of America.
i know there are a lot of states in the United States of America.
so how many [b]United States are there in America?[/b]
There is 1 United States of America.
There are 2 continents called America, North American continent and South American continent.
There are 2 Koreas, north and south.
There are 2 countries claiming to be China, Mainland China (Peoples' Republic of China) and Taiwan (Republic of China). -
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas +4
California, Colorado, Connecticut +3
Delaware, District of Columbia +2
Florida +1
Georgia +1
Hawaii +1
Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa +4
Kansas, Kentucky +2
Louisiana +1
Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota,
Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, +8
Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, +8
Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon +3
Pennsylvania +1
Rhode Island +1
South Carolina, South Dakota +2
Tennessee, Texas +2
Utah +1
Vermont, Virginia +2
Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming +4
All of the above total 51 states to make one UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -
Originally posted by Atobe:
My bad. 51 states.
All of the above total 51 states to make one [b]UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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