Israel Attacks Lebanon
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Originally posted by Dounut:Simple question:
How many United States are there in America ? ?
Originally posted by Dounut:More than 1
Go find out more.Originally posted by ctstalin:wtf? there is only 1 US in the american continent...
Originally posted by Dounut:Nia. You are wrong. Go find out.
Originally posted by ctstalin: can't find more the 1 US in america...can explain or not
ok... after analysing the posts made by me and dounut about the number of United States IN AmericaOriginally posted by Dounut:Example:
When you said "Korea", which Korea you are refering to ? ?
Same for "United States", which United States you are refering to ? ?
Of coz, if you said "United States of America", there is only ONE country called United States of America in America.
Go find out again
i came to the following conclusions:
1. there are 51 STATES in the United States of America
2. the is only 1 United States IN America
3. all the claims made by dounut about there are MORE THAN 1 United States IN America are bullsh!t, cos he can't differentiate STATES from UNITED STATES
4. dounut is nuts -
It seems like Hizbollah, even though they are losing the ground war, are winning the media war.
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Originally posted by ctstalin:
Wait.. you mean Iraq and Afghanistan don't count meh... US give them up already .. ahhh ?
ok... after analysing the posts made by me and dounut about the number of United States IN America
i came to the following conclusions:
1. there are [b]51 STATES in the United States of America
2. the is only 1 United States IN America
3. all the claims made by dounut about there are MORE THAN 1 United States IN America are bullsh!t, cos he can't differentiate STATES from UNITED STATES
4. dounut is nuts [/b] -
Given the Israel military might.. of course Hizbollah will loss the ground war.. but will they loose the war ?Originally posted by SBS9611D:It seems like Hizbollah, even though they are losing the ground war, are winning the media war.
They seemed winning the media war is because Israel over done themselves. There are more Lebanese civilian dead then Israel, but there are more Israeli soldiers dead then Hezbollah... go figure... -
Originally posted by ctstalin:
He's just trying to confuse you to prove his point, although by the time we reach this conclusion, we've already lost the point he is trying to make.
ok... after analysing the posts made by me and dounut about the number of United States IN America
i came to the following conclusions:
1. there are [b]51 STATES in the United States of America
2. the is only 1 United States IN America
3. all the claims made by dounut about there are MORE THAN 1 United States IN America are bullsh!t, cos he can't differentiate STATES from UNITED STATES
4. dounut is nuts
Unless he knows of another United States in South America that we do not know about, and for some unfantomable reason, they decided to use the same name as their northern neighbour. -
Originally posted by MobyDog:Wait.. you mean Iraq and Afghanistan don't count meh... US give them up already .. ahhh ? there are 51 states of the United States of America in America, but there are many other states outside america such as iraq, afghanistan, japan, s.korea blah blah blah
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As off topic as this has gone, Hmm ... I have always thought that were 50 states in this great country, with Guam, Puerto Rico and couple others as territorial appendages and political protectorates (Egypt being one of them and Libya vying to be another).
Any way, it would be great to start a caucus to unify Mexico with the great USA - the United States of North America. It makes sense - Mexicans are literally dying to stream into the United States. American industry needs Mexicans. We might condescend if Canada wants to join too, provided they start stopping those alqaeda people into their country. Any Americans in this forum want to join my caucus?
Otherwise, I still think there are only 50 states.
We have to make sure that the unification is by referendum, otherwise "poor" nationalist Mexicans might start strapping bombs to their bodies and committing acts of tourism (errr ... I mean terrorism) in Houston and Los Angeles. Actually the US has already confiscated Utah(indirectly by Mormon expansionism) , California, New Mexico (Was Nevada part of that too?). Compare with SBC buying up its former parent AT&T and then renaming themselves AT&T.
How about Russia having pushed its eastern frontier during the time of the czars? And China annexation of Tibet? And Australia's, until late 1960's, policy of whites-only Australia. What about the great Goldern Mongolian Horde unleashed upon Baghdad? How about the Visigoth and Ostrogoths being displaced as consequence of Chinese conquest forcing them into Europe?
How about the 800,000 Jews expelled from Iran, Iraq as well as some Arab countries - which would never let descendents of exiled Jews return to those villages.
4 million Palestinians? Did Golda Meir not say there is not a "Palestine" at all? Palestine was like Iraq and Congo ... consequence of reckless British colonial policy. Jews were to blame to - for bringing in immigrant Arab labour when the Rothschild Foundation started purchasing lands from Turkish landlords.
But Israel is Is real (pun intended). During Passover, Jews say, "Next Year in Jerusalem" for hundreds, if not thousand +, years. "By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat and wept".
"Palestine", except for five cities/towns was desolate, and deserted. The Arabs were not interested in populating them. They were fighting their brothers the Turks. It's like you had a big cousin who robbed away your toy and keeps it but would not play with it until you started to play with it and he gets jealous.
Why would the Bedouin Arabs side with the Jews during the 1930's? At least the northern Israeli Bedouin (while the southern Bedouins respected not even their Arab neighbours). These Beduoins today serve proudly in the Israel Defence Force. They liken themselves to American Natives of the land guiding the Jews to settle. The real "Palestinians" are the Bedouins, who roamed "Palestine" outbacks with their sheep and cattle (and today their beaten-up toyota pickups and plastic tents).
Is a that tiny piece of unwanted land too much for the eye-sight of Arabs and Muslim to bear? Muslims and Arab territory stretch from Africa to Turkey to China to India and to Saudi Arabia.
Is Israel's reaction too swift and too agressive? Recall the six day war? Egypt, Syria, Jordan and other Arab entities were intent on wiping out Israel. Did not Rabin offer huge concessions to Arafat? Since Arafat rejected it (as a way to keep him in power - he even refused to die in "Palestine" but in France! Or did he die in Italy?), they will not get that offer today. Because Jews remember Masada, Jews remember the Crusades and Inquisition and the Nazi. And the foresight of the institution of Passover more than 2500 years ago continues to remind Jews the responsibility towards themselves to avoid extinction.
It is easy for Christians to say, "what are you Jews fighting for?" Their crusades and Inquisition were responsible for killing countless Jews as well as murdering millions of their own. It is easy for Buddhists to say the same - they never had the prospect of being extincted throughout the course of history. Again and again. Why don't certain Singaporeans just forget about Mandarin and Tamil and use only Malay? There is an instinct for a culture to live on. -
Originally posted by Miamidot:The real "Palestinians" are the Bedouins, who roamed "Palestine" outbacks with their sheep and cattle (and today their beaten-up toyota pickups and plastic tents).
Should have been ...
The real "Palestinians" are the Bedouins, who roamed "Palestine" outbacks with their sheep and goats.
I have not noticed any cattle among them. -
Have you forgotten the desolate situation Singapore was after expulsion from Malaysia? Was Lee Kuan Yew not weeping as he announced the news? Then thereafter the British decided to pull their forces out of Singapore because they believed they could save billions (of Sing$ or US$ ?) annually. Do you still remember the incursion of Sukarno's forces on the shores of Singapore intent on destroying both Malaysia and Singapore?Originally posted by Lowclassman:Sg Gov always condemn terrorism here and there.
Condemn North Korean of Missiles tests. Big Mouth here and there.
But..........why no voice from our Blood sucking vampires gov commenting on Israel?
Have you forgotten that Israel came to aid Singapore in time of need and helped Singapore set up military infrastructure? Have you forgotten?? Have you forgotten the close technical cooperation Israel has with Singapore?? -
Originally posted by Miamidot:
The 'Bedouins' are 'desert nomads', and roam the desert from the Atlantic Coast to Sinai, from the northern coast of Africa to Arabian Peninsula - they are not urban dwellers and prefer to live in the wide open spaces.
Should have been ...
The real "Palestinians" are the Bedouins, who roamed "Palestine" outbacks with their sheep and goats.
I have not noticed any cattle among them.
The 'Bedouins' are divided into at least sixteen different tribes, with each tribe living in different desert regions, and have no feelings for the political borders that define the modern states of Africa and the Arabian peninsula.
Most present day Political States allow these 'desert sailors' to continue unrestricted their traditional ways of sailing through the desert, moving from place to place in their traditional way of life.
The area known as 'Palestine' exist since the Biblical days and include the general territory that include the present day political entities of Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria.
The term 'Palestinian' is the present day term that identify those of Arab stock - who have lived for generation in this area - but are of different tribal origins from those main tribes that form the modern states in this region.
This tribe - who are termed 'Palestinians' - are guests in Jordan, Syria, Egypt and other modern political states of Africa and the Arabian Peninsula.
This tribe - known as the Palestinians - has been displaced from their ancestorial grounds by modern day politics imposed on the region by colonial rulers; and with their ancestorial grounds being on the same soil of present day Israel, Lebanon, and Jordan; and which was shared with the Jews since the Biblical Days.
The Colonial Governments of the past century have left behind some legacies that were neatly packaged with lasting benefits; while some have left behind untidy legacies that continue to sow agony and pain to all who are unfortunate to live within this tortured territory. -
I figured that Israel lost more soldiers because her army stand between herOriginally posted by MobyDog:Given the Israel military might.. of course Hizbollah will loss the ground war.. but will they loose the war ?
They seemed winning the media war is because Israel over done themselves. There are more Lebanese civilian dead then Israel, but there are more Israeli soldiers dead then Hezbollah... go figure...
civilian citizens and Hezbollah.
Lebanon lost more civilians because Hezbollah allowed the Lebanese civilians to stand between the Hezbollah fighters and the Israeli army.
Why didn't the Israeli army just flatten the villages with her superior air power instead of sending ground troops to flush out the enemy, suffering heavy casualties in the process? The probable reason is there are still many civilians in those villages. Family members of the Hezbollah fighters, perhaps. Flattening those villages will be bad publicity. -
Originally posted by googoomuck:
and bomb from the air and arty ... more likely... and now anything that moves in South Lebanon. why don't you say that the Hezbollah were putting a strong resistance to invasion ?
[quote]I figured that Israel lost more soldiers because her army stand between her civilian citizens and Hezbollah.Lebanon lost more civilians because Hezbollah allowed the Lebanese civilians to stand between the Hezbollah fighters and the Israeli army.
But I had the impression that Israel doesn't care about civilians.. everthing done wrong was a 'Mistake'. Which war does not have civilians in their midst ?Why didn't the Israeli army just flatten the villages with her superior air power instead of sending ground troops to flush out the enemy, suffering heavy casualties in the process?
Haven't you heard .. they nearly did that, because they thought that by doing more collaterial damage the Lebanese will raise up against the Hezbollah. And the war will be swift.
They only decided to send troops because bombing doesn't seemed to stop the rockets and Israel have to take some ground and of course, the 30 km buffer zone they always wanted.The probable reason is there are still many civilians in those villages. Family members of the Hezbollah fighters
They must all die.. then again, doesn't the Israeli's northern town have family members of the IDF ?, perhaps. Flattening those villages will be bad publicity
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UN : CEASEFIRE ! CEASEFIRE! At 05.00 GMT 1pm here
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Let's shift attention to GAZA STRIP !
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Hamas cannot put up a good fight like Hizbollah militants which damged a dozen of massive 65 ton Merkava tanks, symbol of Israelis' invincibility.Originally posted by googoomuck:Let's shift attention to GAZA STRIP ! -
They have no F-16s, no Merkava tanks, no Barak naval crafts, no cluster bombs but endles rockets.
These advanced weapons dealt a devastating blow on the civilians installations which the Lebanese will start to re-build today. -
read the news of bothe sides
The Daily Star of Lebanon
Read the news of the war torn country .
2.www.israel daily.com
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Why is it people still read into the hype that the merkava tank holds some 'aura of invincibility'?Originally posted by qpicanto:Hamas cannot put up a good fight like Hizbollah militants which damged a dozen of massive 65 ton Merkava tanks, symbol of Israelis' invincibility.
Did anyone every bother to check the early years when Israelis had nothing but the clothes on their back, sticks and stones and guile?
Yet in 1948, they stood toe to toe with their better armed arab neighbours, fighting with a mix of improvised tactics, small arms weapons and plenty of grit.
The fact that their armoured officers died by the hatful during the Sinai campaign during the 2 wars of 1967 and 1973 was a testament to their courage to remain exposed leading tanks into combat, sacrificing personal protection in exchange for better command and control of the situation.
That their Merkava tanks have now become mobile fortresses is merely a prudent technological upgrade to save lives.
The fact that the Israelis have come a long way into a modern, well-honed fighting force with a certain degree of ethics imbued in their soldiers is certainly no small feat. They have soldiers who are willing to disobey direct orders to avoid killing innocent civilians, reflecting their 'thinking soldier' concept, and are hardly the remorseless 'killing machines' as claimed in Hezbollah propaganda. -
Everyone is claiming victory at the end of the 34 days war. Mr Bush said Hezbollah suffered a defeat with a straight face. Pointed finger at Iran for supplying arms to Hezbollah. Like US never supply bombs to Israel!