Political reform proposal No. 1
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Originally posted by PRP:
Sgheartland,
U are 1 more supporter for my idea?
If it can't be top-down, then it should ground up. [b]For a start, let's see if there are 100 members to express support for my idea. [/b] -
Can a better political system exist for the benefit of Singaporeans by simply conducting an election first to select a Government, and then conduct a separate second election to select Citizen's Representatives to Parliament ?
The objective of this Two Separate Election Processes is obvious, and is similar to the 'By-Election Strategy' in the past.
This is simply to settle the political reality of having the incumbents to be elected into Government - which is intended to satisfy the Citizens confidence in a known factor; and then to decide in a separate election for individuals to form a group of independently minded persons to be in Parliament (the Legislature) to check on the Government (the Executive Branch).
However, we need to ask : can any Singaporean individual stand alone - with sufficient funds - to compete against the political machinery of anyone from the incumbent Political Party, or the Political Party itself ?
It has always been a fact that the 'Political Party' is supreme, to the point that even with a 'two election process', the 'Parliamentary Citizen Representatives' - will most likely be from the same political party as the Government - and as such, will always be subject to the 'Party Whip' that maintain party discipline in Parliament - and within the Party.
We have to consider the fact that Politics are conducted not by 'individual Politicians' but by 'individuals forming Political Parties'.
The only way for an honorable and honest system' for our Parliament is to allow every Members of Parliament to perform their obligation to the Citizens - not to the Political Party - and vote according to their conscience in representing their respective Constituencies.
Lift the Political Whip that prevent Members of Parliament to act according to their conscience. -
Atobe,
Thanks for your msg. U should know that we have many opp. parties which can contest with the ruling party.No doubt,all the opp. parties are not strong enuf to challenge PAP. But the purpose of my proposal is solve the dilema of voting for a party to form govt or an individual to be an MP.
Abolish the party whip system is an idea I fully agree. -
Under my proposal,the govt has the advantage of about 30 members which would automatically be qualified as MPs.It would make the govt easy to pass legislations in the parliament.
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Proposed Parliamentary Election
I propose all candidates for parliamentary election should stand as an individuals and should not make use of political fund or machinary.They should win on the basis of individual merit & effort & shouldn't behloden to a political party[/b] -
Originally posted by Atobe:
Hahaha...Opposition parties cannot win elections, so trying to get in by the back door?
Can a better political system exist for the benefit of Singaporeans by simply conducting an election first to select [b]a Government, and then conduct a separate second election to select Citizen's Representatives to Parliament ?
The objective of this Two Separate Election Processes is obvious, and is similar to the 'By-Election Strategy' in the past.
This is simply to settle the political reality of having the incumbents to be elected into Government - which is intended to satisfy the Citizens confidence in a known factor; and then to decide in a separate election for individuals to form a group of independently minded persons to be in Parliament (the Legislature) to check on the Government (the Executive Branch).
However, we need to ask : can any Singaporean individual stand alone - with sufficient funds - to compete against the political machinery of anyone from the incumbent Political Party, or the Political Party itself ?
It has always been a fact that the 'Political Party' is supreme, to the point that even with a 'two election process', the 'Parliamentary Citizen Representatives' - will most likely be from the same political party as the Government - and as such, will always be subject to the 'Party Whip' that maintain party discipline in Parliament - and within the Party.
We have to consider the fact that Politics are conducted not by 'individual Politicians' but by 'individuals forming Political Parties'.
The only way for an honorable and honest system' for our Parliament is to allow every Members of Parliament to perform their obligation to the Citizens - not to the Political Party - and vote according to their conscience in representing their respective Constituencies.
Lift the Political Whip that prevent Members of Parliament to act according to their conscience.
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Hardly see any supporters or no readers for this topic?However, show your support if u agree with my proposal in the way as mentioned above.Originally posted by PRP:General election is to be in 2 stages.The first stage is to elect a government.The 2nd stage is to elect MPs.
Govt offier holders are not allowed to stand for parliamentary election but they are automatically made MPs.They have sufficient heavy responisblities and so they shouldn't be further burden with taking care of a constituency.
If you agree with my proposal,pls show your support by simply quoting my msg if u don't have any comment to make. Overwhelming support is necessary if u want to see the idea implemented. -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
PRP's proposal for two elections to be conducted is at least a 'more honest' approach to ensuring 'check and balance' in our lobsided political system.
Hahaha...Opposition parties cannot win elections, so trying to get in by the back door?
At least this PRP's attempt 'to get in by the back door' - (if it must be seen as such) - is MORE HONORABLE as it is due to the success of each individual candidate.
Compare PRP's proposal with the present GRC Election System - where a weaker or even losing candidate can get into Parliament, being helped by the electoral votes of the other candidates in GRC Group.
Is this not a blatant fact of 'getting in by the back door' ?
My stated views on this subject is that :
can MPs stand alone and be independent of any Political Party, when the Party is prepared to use the Parliamentary Whip to ensure that all will vote according to Party's objectives ?
can individual MPs compete against the financial and organisational strengths of Political Parties ? -
Atobe,
I suggested candidates for parliamentary election should not make use of party fund & machinary.It might solve the problem u mentioned somewhat, i hope. -
Can I take it that silence mean agreement?
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Originally posted by PRP:
I'm still waiting for supporters.
Proposed Parliamentary Election
I propose all candidates for parliamentary election should stand as an individuals and should not make use of political fund or machinary.They should win on the basis of individual merit & effort & shouldn't behloden to a political party[/b] -
(I support on behalf of a silent member.)Originally posted by PRP:General election is to be in 2 stages.The first stage is to elect a government.The 2nd stage is to elect MPs.
Govt offier holders are not allowed to stand for parliamentary election but they are automatically made MPs.They have sufficient heavy responisblities and so they shouldn't be further burden with taking care of a constituency.
If you agree with my proposal,pls show your support by simply quoting my msg if u don't have any comment to make. Overwhelming support is necessary if u want to see the idea implemented. -
Ok, I getting a rough idea of what PRP is talking abt.
So the first step of voting is to vote the MPs that will form the governement, then vote for the minister. The ministers will just draw their paycheck as per normal without the need to look after one constituency.
This is different from the present system in which the ministers are elected by the government that is formed by the elected MPs and the proposed system state that the people will elect their ministers.
Am I correct? -
No,pls study my messages again.Originally posted by Hogzilla:Ok, I getting a rough idea of what PRP is talking abt.
So the first step of voting is to vote the MPs that will form the governement, then vote for the minister. The ministers will just draw their paycheck as per normal without the need to look after one constituency.
This is different from the present system in which the ministers are elected by the government that is formed by the elected MPs and the proposed system state that the people will elect their ministers.
Am I correct? -
How did you vote?
Did u vote for the party or the candidate or in consideration of both factors? -
[b]How did you vote?
Did u vote for the party or the candidate or in consideration of both factors?[/b] -
Why do members don't show support to my idea?Is my idea too difficult to understand?Originally posted by PRP:General election is to be in 2 stages.The first stage is to elect a government.The 2nd stage is to elect MPs.
Govt offier holders are not allowed to stand for parliamentary election but they are automatically made MPs.They have sufficient heavy responisblities and so they shouldn't be further burden with taking care of a constituency.
If you agree with my proposal,pls show your support by simply quoting my msg if u don't have any comment to make. Overwhelming support is necessary if u want to see the idea implemented. -
Originally posted by PRP:
I support your idea, as far as it is now.
Sgheartland,
U are 1 more supporter for my idea?
If it can't be top-down, then it should ground up. [b]For a start, let's see if there are 100 members to express support for my idea. [/b]
But it should not stop there.
I notice that your title is "Political Reform Proposal No. 1".
So, I guess there will also be Proposal No. 2. etc.
I just want to add, the next stage, to include the independence of
the Civil Service and Trade Unions. The chiefs of these organisations
should not be appointed by the govt, but elected within the members of
the organisations themselves. Then they will not be influenced or
beholdened to the Political Masters, and therefore can exercise independent
unbias judgements and decisions, going against the govt for the greater
good of the bigger public, if necessary. -
Civil service & trade unions are supposed to be independent even now.
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They are "SUPPOSED" to be independent, yes.Originally posted by PRP:Civil service & trade unions are supposed to be independent even now.
In form and theory, they are independent.
In substance and practice, they are not!
Ways must be found to ensure that they are independent both in form
and substance, and in theory as well as in practice. -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:That form of government has its merits and drawbacks.
I like the checks and balances part though, but I balk at having unelected Secretaries' portfolio. -
An amendment to my orginal proposal:
Parliamentary elections should be held first.After a few months,the election of a govt should be held.The reason is the new govt should be monitored by a new parliament. -
Bro i support any kind of idea to make this system a better one...
But really I cant help but feel we still got a few rough edges to iron out....
I really feel you can make it simpler, so that the simple forumite in SGforums can perhaps understand this better...
I can only scratch the surface of what you're proposing i think.... -
Originally posted by PRP:
Wakus,thanks for your msg.The above msg is part of my idea.
Proposed Parliamentary Election
I propose all candidates for parliamentary election should stand as an individuals and should not make use of political fund or machinary.They should win on the basis of individual merit & effort & shouldn't behloden to a political party[/b] -
Details
Under my my proposal,the 1st stage would be parliamentary election.It should be all single seat constituencies.All parties would have to field a certain percentage of candidates from minority races.The election wouldn't involve forming a govt.
A few month after parl. elelction,the 2nd stage would be electing a political party or a group of ppl to form a govt.Under this stage,the campaigning would likely to focus on national policies & issues.All members of the govt shall automatically appointed as MP -- like the NCMP.