Mindef Lets Violin Prodigy Defer NS
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Why not look at it as supporting the arts.
He does have a talent you guys don't. -
This looks like a new way of escaping NS just for $75K. woot.
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If he doesn't return, the bond is not only forfeited but he's also looking at jail time. You think he's that dumb?Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:This looks like a new way of escaping NS just for $75K. woot.
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He's allowed to defer for a 2-year diploma course like poly students who disrupt to get a poly diploma for 3 years. He will serve NS at the same age as poly grads...that's ok la..
But no deferment for degree course cos the rest of Singaporeans are not allowed that privilege. -
If he doesn't return to singapore and chucks his citizenship into the bin, he gets no jail time, and earns at least US$20000 a month with his talent.Originally posted by ^spidee^:If he doesn't return, the bond is not only forfeited but he's also looking at jail time. You think he's that dumb? -
double standard.
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Originally posted by GHoST_18:u think macross 7 ah... not forgetting Lynn MinMei
so poor folks but talented cannot do the same huh?
Is this what LAW is about in SG? good example?
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Ok i have a talent in _____ <-- fill in the blank, so do i get support as well?Originally posted by missqi:Why not look at it as supporting the arts.
He does have a talent you guys don't. -
That is a possibility, but given the uproar he has caused, you think he'll do that?Originally posted by ditzy:If he doesn't return to singapore and chucks his citizenship into the bin, he gets no jail time, and earns at least US$20000 a month with his talent. -
Scholarship and bank loan.Originally posted by sgquitter: not forgetting Lynn MinMei
so poor folks but talented cannot do the same huh?
Is this what LAW is about in SG? good example? -
let me ask you guys a very personal question.
"If you had the money and the opportunity to just chuck your citizenship in the bin, and walk away to pursue your dreams, how many of you would love to give the collective middle finger to the SAF?"
Be honest with yourselves. -
doesn't matter if he does give up sg citizenship or not (in fact, i think he'd better give up, for his own future...)Originally posted by ^spidee^:That is a possibility, but given the uproar he has caused, you think he'll do that?
the point here should be focused on the *double standards* of our authorities, and talking about MONEY all the time. -
no one wanna loan u how?Originally posted by ^spidee^:Scholarship and bank loan.
still no $$ how?? -
Guys, look at it this way. Deferment is just another route that allows one to complete his studies before serving NS, like what oxford mushroom said. Some people choose to serve at 16, some at 18, others at 20. At the end of the day, it's our life, we choose the way we want to live.
If like what ditzy says, he abandons his citizenship, I have nothing to say. But let's give him the benefit of the doubt and wish him success instead of ranting on aimlessly. -
Honestly, I wouldn't do it.Originally posted by LazerLordz:let me ask you guys a very personal question.
"If you had the money and the opportunity to just chuck your citizenship in the bin, and walk away to pursue your dreams, how many of you would love to give the collective middle finger to the SAF?"
Be honest with yourselves. -
good enough..Originally posted by ^spidee^:Honestly, I wouldn't do it.
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Yourself?Originally posted by LazerLordz:good enough.. -
i wouldn't give the finger to the SAF...defence is of paramount importance to our country...Originally posted by ^spidee^:Honestly, I wouldn't do it.
It's the inflexible red-tape enforcers i would give the twin-finger salute to. -
Guys, look at it this way. Deferment is just another route that allows one to complete his studies before serving NS, like what oxford mushroom said. Some people choose to serve at 16, some at 18, others at 20. At the end of the day, it's our life, we choose the way we want to live.
If like what ditzy says, he abandons his citizenship, I have nothing to say. But let's give him the benefit of the doubt and wish him success instead of ranting on aimlessly.
try to tell SAF that you wish to persuekite making course of 1 year at UK. they probably tell you to fly kite not make kite. why set a system to allow those so call talents and with money to defer NS and those who have neither cant be allow to defer? elite member have its priviliges.? whether he play violin superbly can only benefits himself, dont see why the whole nation need to rally behind him? let debate again few years later whether he come back serve his NS. govt has already set the double standard. -
there is no right or wrong in this case.
if you are a talented musician you will say otherwise. -
But seriously, I wonder why should I feel patriotic if after all that you have contributed, at the end of it all, when you are old and have no one to care for you. . you'll be consigned to a "retirement village"?
Isn't it rather lopsided? Need you when you are capable, throw you away when you're all but SPENT? -
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double post
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You've pretty much summed it up.Originally posted by ^spidee^:Can defer also kpkb, cannot defer also kpkb.
Any decision for that matter will never please both sides. Just have to get used to it.
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Ok, let's look at this objectively.
This is from Mindef
If you are between 13 and 16.5 years old (WEF 15 Aug 2006):
You need to apply for an exit permit if you intend to travel or remain overseas for 3 months or longer. If you are remaining overseas for 2 years or longer, your parents/guardians will also need to furnish a bond, in the form of a Banker's Guarantee of S$75,000 or 50% of the combined annual gross income of both parents for the preceding year, whichever is higher.
If you are above 16.5 and have not enlisted for NS:
You need to apply for an exit permit if you intend to travel or remain overseas for 3 months or longer. Your parents/guardians will need to furnish a bond, in the form of a Banker's Guarantee of S$75,000 or 50% of the combined annual gross income of both parents for the preceding year, whichever is higher.
Before this case, there was a cut-off date whereby pre-enlistees must commence their course of study before the age of 17 and 1/2 years. This means that only those who are born in the later months of the year (e.g. September onwards) have a higher chance of deferring successfully. This is regardless of whether you can pay the bond or not. Hence, this discriminated even those who can pay the bond.
However, Mindef has since changed the deferment rules to allow all males aged 16.5 years and above to defer, as long as they can pay the bond. This is a positive change, since all males, regardless of their birth month, can defer to pursue further studies if they wish to.
Why the bond you ask? See it as a collateral, like a mortgage when you ask for a loan from the bank. It is to deter pre-enlistees from chucking their Singapore citizenship and not returning to fulfill their NS duties. It is a token of goodwill if you like, an assurance that you are sincere about returning to serve once you've completed your studies.
I understand that this policy may seem to discriminate against the less well-to-do in Singapore, but you must understand the potential threat to national security if some sort of controlling mechanism is not in place.
Furthering one's studies is a personal choice. You can choose to defer first and serve later, or serve first and study later. At the end of the day, we still have to fulfill our national duties.