Is Singapore overcrowded?
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Not high enough NOT HIGH ENOUGH!Originally posted by Dounut:I like that, this is cool ! !
Singapore is a Vertical Counutry with a Vertical Capital ! !
Suntec is already a Vertical Sillican Valley of Singapore, the Vertical Version of the Sillican Valley in USA ! !
Can have my 'penthouse' poking out into space? -
U feel the over population is due to the lack of land area in SG. and in HK u see the massive over crowded areas and small accomodations they are having is due to the reason that their land has too many mountainous areas. too many mountains for them to develop in.
thats y we feel that SG is over populated yet reports shows we are the 4th most dense country as compared to the rest of the world. less space results to less space to roam about.
the mrt squeeze is inevitable. so many ppl going work at the same time and the mrt can only be built to this size. its not hard to imagine the cramp.
shopping centers are displaying a sign of over population? if u are talking about tampines mall and century square or other heartland shopping centers. ask urself how big is the place actually? thats the reason for the cramp. town area u say? well think of the tourists we have here and seriously taka isnt really that big. -
You might have problem lending onto the ground ? ?Originally posted by BillyBong:Not high enough NOT HIGH ENOUGH!
Can have my 'penthouse' poking out into space?
No space for your space shuttler to land ! ! -
I won't really see that as a 'flaw'... But it's more like a natural 'law' for any population / culture...?Originally posted by the Bear:well, it's all about economics...
damn the people, they're just fodder for "economics"
but seriously... the economic model the whole world is following is flawed... but no one dares to say any different... there will be a plateau reached where the resources cannot handle humanity... and then there's a nosedive and there is a great die-out...
it has already happened in Easter Island and a few other ancient civilisations...
it will happen to us if we allow this kind of insane "increase population" in order to sustain some warped economics to go on...
btw, orchard road is a goddamned moshpit already... so much so that i dread going there... -
the flaw is that there is no cost of "natural resources"
there is no limit set to how much you can stripmine planet earth until it runs out
there is no limit set on how much you can pump poisons into the air/sea/land..
there is no limit set on how much you can dredge and trawl the seas..
there is no limit set on how much the capitalist can screw the earth, you and me...
and it's showing...
everytime there is some "legislation" to combat these things, the capitalists water it down to nothing and then continue their ravaging the resources of the world...
that, and there must be a limit to how much the planet can sustain... i think we are near that point.. yet, the economists tell us we must have more population...
where is the limit? -
more ppl = more merrier?
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As for Hong Kong and Macau, they have mass land of mountain and forest.How much forest and mountain we have as compared to them. We have only a Natural reserve in Bukit Timah. Anyway,they have more land if they include China.Their citizens can travel to many places in China. Even though we are the 4th densest after them.Originally posted by LazerLordz:We and Hong Kong, the twin Vertical Capitals.
As for us we are sticked to 692.7 sq km with millions of people. They are no place we can go except for Sentosa,St john,Kusu and Pulau Ubin. The rest of the islands are out of Bound. We are always struck in the "Little Red Dot" -
sg is always copying another country's example for a short cut solution.
so why are we paying so much for copy-cat solutions.
I wonder if sg can sustain that kind of population with our existing infrastructure and land mass no matter how much we "upgrade" or expand. -
not just yet .. getting very close to it....
only issue now is that the population is getting older and not enough babies -
I was wondering;
If our gov is concerned about the growing number of old and aged citizens based on current population size, how are they going to cope with a larger population with MORE old and aged in future??
You think, with the new generation of young, "exceptional", and globally mobile children will stay around to take care of aged parents????
I still feel our gov has a few screws and nuts loose and rolling around somewhere. -
seven million in singapore is nuts! i think singapore will fall one day, just one day. there are so many problems underneath the surface and the moral values of people nowadays are really...i dont think we can find true blue singaporeans willing to stay and fight for singapore. its scary
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Ya, singapore is overcrowded with PRC, bangla, maids n foreign talents.
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What about blaming Sir Thomas Standford Raffles for not buying over the State of Johor or any land south of Muar River to be "Bundled" with Singapore Island, when he "Purchased" it back in 1819 ? ?
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Ok, lets not dig up the dead on this....
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Originally posted by Dounut:What about blaming Sir Thomas Standford Raffles for not buying over the State of Johor or any land south of Muar River to be "Bundled" with Singapore Island, when he "Purchased" it back in 1819 ? ? Sir Raffles had foresight. What he wanted was divide and rule, he wan't thinking about building a nation called singapore.
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it is..
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Ever watched the movie Logan's Run? There's the solution to the problem of an aging population.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I was wondering;
If our gov is concerned about the growing number of old and aged citizens based on current population size, how are they going to cope with a larger population with MORE old and aged in future?? -
heh heh heh..
this generation of young people will become the next generation of old people...
strangely, this myopic view of "increasing population to support the greying population" chooses to ignore this fact
so.. is the economic model we chose flawed or what?Originally posted by ShutterBug:I was wondering;
If our gov is concerned about the growing number of old and aged citizens based on current population size, how are they going to cope with a larger population with MORE old and aged in future??
You think, with the new generation of young, "exceptional", and globally mobile children will stay around to take care of aged parents????
I still feel our gov has a few screws and nuts loose and rolling around somewhere. -
You can see that overcrowds in Shenton Way/Raffles Place. It is too crowded in the food centre that you hardly find any seats. If you have one hour of lunch break in typical food court , you have spend 10 minutes to squeeze into the crowd, 15 minutes to find seats and book,15minutes to queue for food,10 minutes to squeeze your food down and the rest of the time to rush to office and do work and panic.
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My answer to the question "is Singapore overcrowded?" is DUH~~
This country is so crowded, the houses has becomed so small...
Back is Brunei, my house bathroom is bigger than a 2-room flat.... Serious....
So the solution:
The sky city project.... 1000m high is the sky.... WOnder is SG can tahan the weight? -
that building looks like the tower of niches in Mount Vernon Crematorium..Originally posted by MohamedF:My answer to the question "is Singapore overcrowded?" is DUH~~
This country is so crowded, the houses has becomed so small...
Back is Brunei, my house bathroom is bigger than a 2-room flat.... Serious....
So the solution:
The sky city project.... 1000m high is the sky.... WOnder is SG can tahan the weight? -
Flaw lah when now the old got no money for mega medical bills, they turn to their children and when the children turn old themselves (and have no children), who's going to pay their even bigger mega medical bills?Originally posted by the Bear:heh heh heh..
this generation of young people will become the next generation of old people...
strangely, this myopic view of "increasing population to support the greying population" chooses to ignore this fact
so.. is the economic model we chose flawed or what?
It's scaring the shit out of them that they're asking the gullible young to make babies.
I Not Stupid.
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propose a new theory and have Economist accept that and U will be the next Nobel Prize winner!
by saying Flawed Flawed and no solution still like that.
U think those Economist Baka? It is too complex to offer a solution that everyone will agree on. -
I feel that Singapore is indeed having a problem of land scarcity, however the government has reclamated quite a lot of land, and who knows perhaps the government can keep reclamating and connect the main island with the surrounding small islands, thus making the living area much bigger. But even after this step, inevitably SG at some point will touch the neighbouring countries boundaries, and no more reclamation space to go, so at that time SG will see a big problem. Even now at this time, reclamation works is already meeting obstacles from Malaysia's objection and the international court decisions, not to mention the population also for some time already have to shrink themselves, as expressed in the declining birth rate.
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hey, if a layman like me can see the flaws, how come economists can't? answer that question and everything falls into place
(hint: vested interests, greed, fear)
and being baka? you know the saying: geniuses are the most stupid people in the world... because being a specialist in hammering, they think everything must be solved with a hammer...
btw, the economists keep coming out with complex mathematics to explain a lot of economic theories... math which only mathematicians can understand.. so, why can't they factor in things which are clearly evident? too complex? i doubt it..
the fact is that corporations keep strip-mining the earth, treating it as an infinite resource and a bottomless dumping pit when it isn't, should send alarm bells ringing... but while the corporations and the politicians who are in the pocket of the powerful rush to damp the ringing, we're not doing our part by plugging our ears...
i don't claim to be an economist... but like i started this post saying: if a layman can see the flaw, why the hell can't the highly paid economists see it unless they have vested interests or are too scared to go against the flow..Originally posted by Wega007:propose a new theory and have Economist accept that and U will be the next Nobel Prize winner!
by saying Flawed Flawed and no solution still like that.
U think those Economist Baka? It is too complex to offer a solution that everyone will agree on.