Both.Originally posted by laurence82:Er, foreign business or foreign talent?
i mean, the issues about foreign business can be different from issues about foreign talentOriginally posted by ShutterBug:Both.
Clearly, it's basically bread and butter issue conerning the hiring of locals vs the hiring of foreign talents, which directly and indirectly affects costs in general.Originally posted by laurence82:i mean, the issues about foreign business can be different from issues about foreign talent
What if the foreign business decides to be 'socially responsible' and hires 99% local employees?
It competes with the local businesses, but it sure gives us jobs and income, so........
From the first post, I guess shroomy wants to talk about hiring of foreign talent, rather than the usual 'support local products' issue.
Very good lecture to Oxford M !!!Originally posted by ShutterBug:Yes indeed well said, Atobe.
I'm in the believe, that we, DIDN'T START THE FIRE.
haha...to you, all official figures and statistics are lies...But you are always right..Originally posted by foomwee88:Very good lecture to Oxford M !!!
I hve stated these many times to him but he is just know how to recite what had reported in the newspapers etc.
Of course, i m not going to pay more to support local business/industries,but wat business ,u are talking about??? 70% of the industries are monopolised by gov related compaines including supply of coffin and duck business here.
SG gov has forced us to venture overseas but they render no help but talk c sing song all the times,but where back in S'pore,we hve to support our family but cost of living here is going up and up including tuition fee,transporation, electcity and misc exp, how to be happy leh. Worst still , a bunch of stupid ppls bring in flies here to term as FTs and create social and econic problems.
Mind U! I am neither a PAP nor an opposition party supporter.But I love my country and our ppls as much as most of the S'porean do.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:haha...to you, all official figures and statistics are lies...But you are always right..
No wonder Dan Brown can earn so much from his novels...people like conspiracy theories. Sounds like a 3-year old child...it must be true because I want it to be true![]()
Their so called "Strong Mandate" will keep dwindling each and every GE. If they don't change the way they're doing things, they shouldn't be surprise to get only 33.3%!Originally posted by foomwee88:Mind U! I am neither a PAP nor an opposition party supporter.But I love my country and our ppls as much as most of the S'porean do.
I do not agree with U all the official figures and statistics are lies but we hve to examine them with an open mind and compare it with prevailing fact and not follow whatever and whoever statements blindly. Orelse, there will be no progress to our country developement.
U as a PAP supporter I feel worry about the future of our country if all PAP supporters hve this type of mindset.
I can forsee the next 5 years will be a downfall of PAP when anyway we will not be here as well.
Do u really believe SG gov provides subsidies to our "necessity" like electricity,water,foods,accomodation and transportation costs.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If you cut stamp duties, you have to meet the budget shortfall by imposing a tax somewhere else. Singaporeans must realize that the amenities we enjoy, from the paved roads for your car to the street lamps on the road, all have to be paid for somehow. Singaporeans want more subsidies and more welfare for the poor. That is only possible if businesses earn money and are therefore able to contribute more to the taxman. The government cannot provide more subsidies to the poor by cutting taxes and stamp duties. The government can only do that by earning more money, by increasing the pie..
As the DPM pointed out in his earlier speech, foreign workers are necessary because Singaporeans are not willing or not able to take up jobs which are available. As illustration he mentioned a multinational company that wanted to set up a wafer fab in Singapore but could not find the 1000 workers it needed. Too many local workers did not want to work in a protective gear environment or work the shifts required for this industry. If the government did not allow these companies to hire foreign workers, this wafer fab plant will be established elsewhere.
Suppose you are a restaurant owner. would you pay $1.4k (MOM figures: http://www.mom.gov.sg/NR/rdonlyres/372C7370-2D16-489F-B2E8-2B254CB46CEA/10562/mrsd_2005ROW.pdf) for a Singaporean waiter when a Chinese waitress is willing and able to do the same job for $800? On the other hand, suppose you have an award-winning Hong Kong chef who is willing to work for you at 8k a month whilst a local, competent but unknown chef wants only 5k a month. Would you choose the Singaporean over the Hong Kong chef?
At the end of the day, businesses are not charities. Employers want to earn money and cut costs. You will employ the Chinese waitress to cut costs but you will employ the Hong Kong chef even though he costs more, because he can help you earn even more. In both instances, Singaporean workers lose out...the waiter because he costs more than his counterpart, the local chef because his skills are ordinary.
Where did you learn such lessons of Public Administration in Budget Planning ?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If you cut stamp duties, you have to meet the budget shortfall by imposing a tax somewhere else. Singaporeans must realize that the amenities we enjoy, from the paved roads for your car to the street lamps on the road, all have to be paid for somehow. Singaporeans want more subsidies and more welfare for the poor. That is only possible if businesses earn money and are therefore able to contribute more to the taxman. The government cannot provide more subsidies to the poor by cutting taxes and stamp duties. The government can only do that by earning more money, by increasing the pie..
Which wafer fab plant was being referred to ?
As the DPM pointed out in his earlier speech, foreign workers are necessary because Singaporeans are not willing or not able to take up jobs which are available. As illustration he mentioned a multinational company that wanted to set up a wafer fab in Singapore but could not find the 1000 workers it needed. Too many local workers did not want to work in a protective gear environment or work the shifts required for this industry. If the government did not allow these companies to hire foreign workers, this wafer fab plant will be established elsewhere.
This tack of yours has been constantly pushed in your argument. Have you not considered that a Singapore waiter paid $1.4k provide a higher service standard than a Chinese waiter doing the same job for $800 ?
Suppose you are a restaurant owner. would you pay $1.4k (MOM figures: http://www.mom.gov.sg/NR/rdonlyres/372C7370-2D16-489F-B2E8-2B254CB46CEA/10562/mrsd_2005ROW.pdf) for a Singaporean waiter when a Chinese waitress is willing and able to do the same job for $800? On the other hand, suppose you have an award-winning Hong Kong chef who is willing to work for you at 8k a month whilst a local, competent but unknown chef wants only 5k a month. Would you choose the Singaporean over the Hong Kong chef?
Do Employers only concern themselves with earning money by simply cutting costs only ?
At the end of the day, businesses are not charities. Employers want to earn money and cut costs. You will employ the Chinese waitress to cut costs but you will employ the Hong Kong chef even though he costs more, because he can help you earn even more. In both instances, Singaporean workers lose out...the waiter because he costs more than his counterpart, the local chef because his skills are ordinary.
It is those who conceitedly believe themselves to be more educated that 'live in a state of blissful unawareness' while the population is being robbed of their hard earned income.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:No wonder the Opposition can never win elections with supporters the likes of ostriches and zombies who either bury their heads in the sands or live in a state of blissful unawareness of the challenges ahead.
Your limited knowledge is exposed through the conceit in the tone of your statements made.
Why do you think we have stopped making disk drives and T-shirts? As you have admitted yourself, we are now making higher value goods because our labour costs are higher. If you want to keep making cheap disk drives and T-shirts (and btw, you even wanted to make colour pencils for god's sake), unless you practise protectionist policies you cannot retain such jobs.
Is the Employers being silly, or perhaps your stupendous silliness has become more obvious, with each conceited and unsubstantiated general statement made ?
Employers are not as sily as you are. They will not hire foreigners just because they are foreign but because they are cheaper or possess higher skills than Singaporeans. Those who have higher skills do not have a problem getting a job. For those whose skills are no better but expect higher wages than their foreign counterparts, unless you protect their jobs, they will go to foreigners.
Does our conceited resident Doctor have any entrepreneurial qualities ?
But you have demonstrated your blind opposition against everything the government does and it is clear that you are going to blame the PAP for everything and anything.
Sleep on then...let the world overtake you. Who is right? Time will tell...your coffin will probably be made in China, literally and figuratively![]()
Do you mind sharing your view on the following issues:Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If you cut stamp duties, you have to meet the budget shortfall by imposing a tax somewhere else. ....... The government cannot provide more subsidies to the poor by cutting taxes and stamp duties.
... suppose you have an award-winning Hong Kong chef who is willing to work for you at 8k a month whilst a local, competent but unknown chef wants only 5k a month. Would you choose the Singaporean over the Hong Kong chef?
Starhub has admitted that they had made Millions $ from the world cup live telecast,Furk all these dogs are still barking up the wrong trees and claimed that in order to reduce cost of living hve to cut tax etc.Originally posted by Atobe:Are Singaporeans not already paying for higher costs to have the essential services provided by local businesses and industries - all owned by pseudo-Private Companies that are nothing more then cleverly disguised GLCs ?
Many foreign interested parties have been dissuaded to enter the local market to provide services, as these foreign interested parties will be required to have local participation from GLCs - who will plant their representatives in the Board and Executive Management - interfering in the daily management of such enterprises.
We could have enjoyed more competitive rates of telecommunication - that include Broadband Services, and yet the introduction of higher standard of services with superior features are kept at bay, with the existing 'state owned' enterprises 'raping the pockets' of Singaporeans.
To pick one example - why are Singaporeans paying for higher charges to get only a narrow range cable-vision services, when our Third World neighbors are paying far lesser amounts for direct satellite reception to a wider range of entertainment programmes ?
This is only one out of the many other businesses that are presented as 'supposed choices' to Singaporeans - and Singaporeans are supposed to be grateful for.