Are Singaporeans Ready To Defend Country?
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That would depend on my emotional state of mind at that time. But I most likely would leave both alone.Originally posted by charlize:Since we are into rhetorical questions ...
Would you defend Singapore if the country you are migrating to is the one who is attacking Singapore?
And no one said it's an easy question too. -
it will be interesting to know how many of the scholars and the ministers' childrens stay behind?
Are they in the frontline or have they taken the first flight out of Singapore? -
it wont be becos of the country that i'd stand up and fight...its onli becos of the fighting men that i have grown to love(not in the homo sense) and respect in my unit...nothing more..god help me if they died young..
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Originally posted by Atobe:
If u have relative like mine, u will not care a hood about them. As for parents maybe as moral values call for me to do so. Anyway my parent also dont care much about Singapore. My assests are not more important than my live though.
Who are the people that constitute your family ?
Only your wife and children ?
Do they not include your parents, siblings, uncles, aunts, cousins, in-laws ?
When you migrate, does the entire extended family migrate with you, or are they left behind in Singapore ?
Are these relations not worthy of your efforts to protect with your life?
Do you think that such a tax is payable [b]'in times of war' ?
Any government will be rich if 'death tax' is collected in times of war, as it will be expected that casualties and deaths must occur and in large numbers.
Do you think that during such times of emergency, the administration of such revenue collection continue to be implemented ?
In any case, how much is your wealth that qualify you to pay 'death tax' or 'estate duties' ?
Do you know that only if you have assets that exceed $2 Million - then you need to pay such tax ?
Do you have such assets in your possession ?
Are these in Singapore or overseas ?
Besides relations, are you assets not worthy of your effort to protect with your life ?
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The main thing is not really about tax. The main thing is that if i die who will take care of my family members. The worst thing is that i am injured in action and need somebody to take care of me. The government is really unreliable. The government has not been rendering any help to the relative deprive.
To protect Singapore or not depends really on what Singapore can give me and my children. I dont ask for money. I ask for protection of my livelihood, care for me and my child well-being and nourishment for growth. True enough to ask protection i will have to stay and fight but during time of peace what have Singapore done to help protect my way of living. As for care the health services has been good but the price turn those who need it away. Nourishment is one thing i thing Singapore lack seiously. Singapore is based on meritocracy, where everyone is given a fair chance. But how true fair is it? The education system is created in such a way that every child has to land his first step on the right path. Why? The chance of the child succeeding in a good school is relatively higher then a neighbourhood one. Just look at the vast difference in the standard of teachers in a neighbourhood school as compare to those elite like RI. I am not saying that good neioghbourhood teachers are hard to find. Its just that as Elite school are private they can afford to hire better teacher and attract those good teacher from the neighbourhood. The playing field of a child education is not really fair. Therefore i feel Singapore meritocracy is undermind. I will not protect something in which i do not really like. -
What is Mil·i·ta·rism (ml-t-rzm) n.
1. Glorification of the ideals of a professional military class.
2. Predominance of the armed forces in the administration or policy of the state.
3. A policy in which military preparedness is of primary importance to a state. -
sad to be living with a bunch of quitters.
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Your welcome. Enjoy your "many good years ahead" and continue your strong mandate.Originally posted by reyes:sad to be living with a bunch of quitters.
I'm sure the govt really cares for you, that must be the reason why they would import nigerian soccer players for your enjoyment, they would allow road bullies to hit you and get away with at most $1k fine.
Your taxes are put to good use I'm sure. Its not as though the generals and the scholars would lose money on their investments such as CAO and Suzhou right?
And the only reason why your govt offers upgrading every election is because they are concerned that you are living in the slums and every five years, you are told to vote for them or live in the slums, after the elections, they do not want to inconvenience you and hence they do not upgrade your flat.
And your govt cares so much for you that your opinion matters. Its not like they decided on the cabaret and gambling dens without consulting you first. Its not like they would invest your taxes without telling you first. Remember, you are free to air anything you feel on a blog or a forum. You will not lose your job, say as a journalist, if you criticise the govt after all, they love you right? And you opinion matters right?
And you as the voter have more rights that the foreigners. Remember that if a caucasian hits and permanently disfigures you, he would be forced to pay up to $1k to compensate you! You lucky guy! -
Questions:
>> Does anyone know, where are the families of our ministers??
>> Are they all in Singapore?
>> Does their children study in Singapore too?
>> Do they all own properties oversease - elsewhere? -
i think most of their childrens n daughter r already quitter lol..Originally posted by ShutterBug:Questions:
>> Does anyone know, where are the families of our ministers??
>> Are they all in Singapore?
>> Does their children study in Singapore too?
>> Do they all own properties oversease - elsewhere?
their daughter r married to some ang mohs cant remember who tho :/ -
Originally posted by NewAge:
Immediate Family, Extended Families and Relatives - they come in all sizes and shapes, some are mentally stable, some others are totally unstable; and it will take all kinds and types to make this an interesting and challenging place to live in.
If u have relative like mine, u will not care a hood about them. As for parents maybe as moral values call for me to do so. Anyway my parent also dont care much about Singapore. My assests are not more important than my live though.
The main thing is not really about tax. The main thing is that if i die who will take care of my family members. The worst thing is that i am injured in action and need somebody to take care of me. The government is really unreliable. The government has not been rendering any help to the relative deprive.
To protect Singapore or not depends really on what Singapore can give me and my children. I dont ask for money. I ask for protection of my livelihood, care for me and my child well-being and nourishment for growth. True enough to ask protection i will have to stay and fight but during time of peace what have Singapore done to help protect my way of living. As for care the health services has been good but the price turn those who need it away. Nourishment is one thing i thing Singapore lack seiously. Singapore is based on meritocracy, where everyone is given a fair chance. But how true fair is it? The education system is created in such a way that every child has to land his first step on the right path. Why? The chance of the child succeeding in a good school is relatively higher then a neighbourhood one. Just look at the vast difference in the standard of teachers in a neighbourhood school as compare to those elite like RI. I am not saying that good neioghbourhood teachers are hard to find. Its just that as Elite school are private they can afford to hire better teacher and attract those good teacher from the neighbourhood. The playing field of a child education is not really fair. Therefore i feel Singapore meritocracy is undermind. I will not protect something in which i do not really like.
Can life be more boring to have everyone being predictable, polite, and sane ?
At times, it is good to have some positive aggravation from the people whom we have no choice but to live with, as with destruction, there will be shock, and reconstruction - in whatever degree or speed.
Even if we were to migrate to a new country - either as permanent resident or as new citizens, we will still have to take in the good and the bad, and make the best for our future and that for our children.
When the crunch comes, you will still need to make a decision if you are prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice for the chosen country - and you will never know how the future will turn out for your children and the subsequent generations.
No one can achieve the future alone - whether in Singapore or in another chosen country - as it is the collective effort that determine the political, economic, and cultural outcome for everyone that has the choice (or no choice ) to live as a Community or as a Nation.
Changes will occur, as Human experiences will evolve new values, which will dictate Political Changes.
Can one have a moral voice in Homeland Politics, when one is not willing to sacrifice in defence of one's chosen homeland ?
When you and I - (with all other Singaporeans irregardless of social, political and economic standings) - are prepared to sacrifice ourselves against any threats to Singapore, our collective stand will give us the moral power to demand change to the status quo from the Singapore Government formed by any political parties. -
Our people must remember one thing: no one wins a war by dying for his country.
You win by making the other poor bastard die for his country.
So really, it's all rhetorics as to whether one would stay to defend his homeland. -
Although it is rhetoric, it is nonetheless necessary to find our political compass points in this conflicting political backdrop, where we cannot agree nor accept the politics played by the POWER OF ONE.Originally posted by BillyBong:Our people must remember one thing: no one wins a war by dying for his country.
You win by making the other poor bastard die for his country.
So really, it's all rhetorics as to whether one would stay to defend his homeland.
IF - rhetoric becomes an inevitable reality, it will be comforting to know the size of unamity in thought and action from Singaporeans - as was seen in the unambiguous and unanimous positive reaction from all Israelis to a limited recall of reservists, (even those who were not recalled, were reported to have returned to their Reserve Centres) .
We must realise that death is the last option, as it is everyone's duty as a combatant to survive each battle, and live to fight another day.
We need to use our cunning, intelligence, and animal sense of survival instinct to keep our mind and body intact with each passing day.
We are no use if we are killed in battle, and even if maimed - we should have the strength and courage to contribute in any other ways, such as passing the experience to new recruits and help prepare them for the very worst.
The level of one's commitment gives us the moral authority to participate in Singapore Politics - and debunk the negative concept promoted by the POWER OF ONE that "Politics is for Politicians". -
We would be playing into the hands of the de facto mouth piece to be rallied into accepting present conscritpion policy particularly ICT which is not even a prominent feature of IDF, as something absolutely necessary.Originally posted by BillyBong:Our people must remember one thing: no one wins a war by dying for his country.
You win by making the other poor bastard die for his country.
So really, it's all rhetorics as to whether one would stay to defend his homeland.
Rhetorics indeed, perhaps militaristic rhetorics to be exact. -
Originally posted by qpicanto:
The Singapore Armed Forces was modelled closely after the IDF, and it is unlikely that the IDF will not have ICT - which at times take on the real scenario of being in the front line.
We would be playing into the hands of the de facto mouth piece to be rallied into accepting present conscritpion policy particularly ICT which is not even a prominent feature of IDF, as something absolutely necessary.
Rhetorics indeed, perhaps militaristic rhetorics to be exact.
Israel Defense Force
Regular Service
National military service is compulsory for Jewish and Druze men, and Jewish women, over the age of 18, although exemptions may be made on religious, physical or psychological grounds (see Profile 21). Men in the Haredi community may choose to be exempt while enrolled in Yeshivas, a practice that is a source of tension [4], though some yeshiva programs like Hesder provide opportunities for service.
Men serve three years in the IDF, while women serve two and sometimes under two. The IDF may on occasions require women who volunteer for combat positions to serve for three years because combat soldiers must undergo a lengthy period of training. Women in combat positions are also required to serve as reserve for several years after their dismissal from regular service, pending marriage, or pregnancy, is in order.
Reserve Service
Following regular service, men may be called for reserve service of up to one month annually, until the age of 43-45 (reservists may volunteer after this age), and may be called for active duty immediately in times of crisis. In most cases, the reserve duty is carried out in the same unit for years, in many cases the same unit as the active service and by the same people. Many soldiers who have served together in active service continue to meet in reserve duty for years after their discharge, causing reserve duty to become a strong male bonding experience in Israeli society. A well-known Israeli joke refers to civilians as soldiers on 11-month furlough.
Although still available to be called up in times of crisis, most Israeli men, and virtually all women, do not actually perform reserve service in any given year. Units do not always call up all of their reservists every year, and a variety of exemptions are available if called for regular reserve service. Virtually no exemptions exist for reservists called up in a time of crisis, but experience has shown that in such cases (most recently, Operation Defensive Shield in 2002) exemptions are rarely requested or exercised; units generally achieve recruitment rates above those considered fully-manned.
Recently, legislation has been proposed for reform in the reserve service, lowering the maximum service age to 40, designating it as a purely emergency force, as well as many other changes to the current structure (although the Defence Minister can suspend any portion of it at any time for security reasons). The age threshold for many reservists whose positions are not listed, though, will be fixed at 49. The legislation is set out to take effect by 13 March 2008.
Border Guard Service
Some IDF soldiers will serve their mandatory military service in the Mishmar HaGvul (abbreviated to Magav) or Border Guard. Once the soldiers complete their IDF combat training they undergo additional counter-terror and Border Guard training. They are then assigned to any one of the Border Guard units around the country.
The Border Guard units fight side by side with the regular IDF combat units. They also are responsible for security in heavy urban areas such as the City of Jerusalem.
Many officers in the Border Guard come from the IDF combat units. While the Border Guard does retain their own command structure, on the ground they are almost indistinguishable from the regular IDF units. -
In IDF if you have reserve service it is going to war. ICT is different is war scenario training!
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ICT is for all reservist to know the game plan.Originally posted by qpicanto:In IDF if you have reserve service it is going to war. ICT is different is war scenario training! Damn it Mindef!
Got war then call lah, dont waste time. Now cost of living very high leh! @#$%
Pardon my language!
Imagine the Artillery guy and the infantry guy cannot get their act together, and fail to understand each other's communication language, the shells start falling on the wrong co-ordinates with the infantry guy receiving a shower of fragments - what will be the consequence when a barrage of 60kg shells start falling on our infantry position ?
It will be interesting when after dismounting from the APC, the infantry start to run in the wrong directions and get run over by other APCs - who will be held responsible for such 'accidents' when recriminations start to come from surviving members of the soldier's family ?
In any case, ICT is an officially sanctioned 'paid holiday' for civilians returning for Reservist Training.
When the SAF can maintain a high level of effectiveness, no one will dare to test the potency of the SAF.
It is when the existence and professional level of the SAF that is in doubt by potential adversaries, then we will need to show our mettle, and when that time comes, can we react in the same manner as the Israelis ?
When we show no interests and commitment to Reservist Training, we are sending the wrong signal to any potential adversary.
What could be the reason for MINDEF spending such a large budget to make slick 3 minutes publicity movies of the SAF in different manoevres that are broadcasted over the satellites ? -
There you have it; HYPOCRISY.Originally posted by kopikid:i think most of their childrens n daughter r already quitter lol..
their daughter r married to some ang mohs cant remember who tho :/
It's like for example; I'm a famous and popular Char Kway Teow hawker. Everybody comes to my stall even from across the causeway because I cook up a mean dish, and I market and advertise my product fiercely.
But during my break, you don't see me eating what I cook - instead I'm in some restaurant eating healthfood. Because I know lard oil, isn't healthy.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Israeli defence situation could be one of the most precarious in the world. If they dont deem absolutely necessary for ICT why Mindef insist?
ICT is for all reservist to know the game plan.
Imagine the Artillery guy and the infantry guy cannot get their act together, and fail to understand each other's communication language, the shells start falling on the wrong co-ordinates with the infantry guy receiving a shower of fragments - what will be the consequence when a barrage of 60kg shells start falling on our infantry position ?
It will be interesting when after dismounting from the APC, the infantry start to run in the wrong directions and get run over by other APCs - who will be held responsible for such 'accidents' when recriminations start to come from surviving members of the soldier's family ?
In any case, ICT is an officially sanctioned [b]'paid holiday' for civilians returning for Reservist Training.
When the SAF can maintain a high level of effectiveness, no one will dare to test the potency of the SAF.
It is when the existence and professional level of the SAF that is in doubt by potential adversaries, then we will need to show our mettle, and when that time comes, can we react in the same manner as the Israelis ?
When we show no interests and commitment to Reservist Training, we are sending the wrong signal to any potential adversary.
What could be the reason for MINDEF spending such a large budget to make slick 3 minutes publicity movies of the SAF in different manoevres that are broadcasted over the satellites ?
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Originally posted by qpicanto:
Where did you get the idea that the Israelis do not conduct ICT ?
Israeli defence situation could be one of the most precarious in the world. If they dont deem absolutely necessary for ICT why Mindef insist?
Their ICT are conducted "LIVE" on-station in the direct line of fire, while the SAF ICT is conducted as dummy runs. -
'Although still available to be called up in times of crisis, most Israeli men, and virtually all women, do not actually perform reserve service in any given year. Units do not always call up all of their reservists every year, and a variety of exemptions are available if called for regular reserve service'Originally posted by Atobe:Where did you get the idea that the Israelis do not conduct ICT ?
Their ICT are conducted "LIVE" on-station in the direct line of fire, while the SAF ICT is conducted as dummy runs. -
i'll fight 4 e ppl... nt 4 e gov...
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i m always ready to defend my homeland. for my loved ones n for the laksa, chilli crabs, char kway teows, etc...
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Originally posted by qpicanto:
Not all Reserve Units in the SAF get to be called up for ICT, as some have been languishing for over 7 years after the fifth major ICT.
'Although still available to be called up in times of crisis, most Israeli men, and virtually all women, do not actually perform reserve service in any given year. Units do not always call up all of their reservists every year, and a variety of exemptions are available if called for regular reserve service'
Stay calm and don't rock the boat, and you will probably get through the same process, unless you have the good fortune of being in a 'key unit' that require its operational status to be 100 per cent tuned. -
Originally posted by Atobe:Not all Reserve Units in the SAF get to be called up for ICT, as some have been languishing for over 7 years after the fifth major ICT.
Stay calm and don't rock the boat, and you will probably get through the same process, unless you have the good fortune of being in a 'key unit' that require its operational status to be 100 per cent tuned. but, but ....ok loh they always right! -
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