1 more Charity Scandal : 1 more Peanut Personality withdraws
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Ah Ha! I don't support him and am neutral to him.Originally posted by foomwee88:By reading yr posting ,reminded me about a full page artical written by Mdm Ho Cheng in Todays to supprt Mr Durai and his gang in NKF during the investigation of the corruption and CBT scandal.
I do advocate a higher standard of our own behaviour with regards to the person accused of crimes.
And I also propose a solution to the disastifaction of people with what is seemingly arbritary salaries in the non-profit sector.
I think you are reasonable and will also agree that you cannot get someone to volunteer fulltime without pay, right? -
May I suggest u 2 read the dictionary about the definition of the word of " "volunteer" ?Originally posted by Dogtor:Ah Ha! I don't support him and am neutral to him.
I do advocate a higher standard of our own behaviour with regards to the person accused of crimes.
And I also propose a solution to the disastifaction of people with what is seemingly arbritary salaries in the non-profit sector.
I think you are reasonable and will also agree that you cannot get someone to volunteer fulltime without pay, right?
I dont think he is a volunteer but a staff of a charitable org from where he is drawing a fat salary.
Wheter he is convicted of a crime is another issue, but in my view he is an unethical human being, who took about 40% of the donation from the public which supposed to be used for a good cause. This is $ which he needs not earn it but is given by the poor and rich citizens of Spore for the problemed youth.
I think he shd return part of the $ to the org for his own sake and his next generation. -
Crows do not operate alone.
They operate in flocks.
Just like the Peanuts.
Whoever in office that have not performed their supervisory duties should be punished, regardless of who they are related to.
If the court cannot maintain the basic fairness in the eye of the law, the justice system is no longer useful. -
We r really worrying about those real chartiable orgs,they will hve hard time 2 raise fund for the real causes.
This bunch of Gods really make the society sick where the poor etc will end up being forced to a corner. -
Volunteer is volunteer, of course you are right. Perhaps I didn't express myself clearly. You would not expect him to volunteer for life and do this as a fulltime thing - how is he gonna survive??Originally posted by foomwee88:May I suggest u 2 read the dictionary about the definition of the word of " "volunteer" ?
I dont think he is a volunteer but a staff of a charitable org from where he is drawing a fat salary.
Wheter he is convicted of a crime is another issue, but in my view he is an unethical human being, who took about 40% of the donation from the public which supposed to be used for a good cause. This is $ which he needs not earn it but is given by the poor and rich citizens of Spore for the problemed youth.
I think he shd return part of the $ to the org for his own sake and his next generation.
So if after 1 year, for financial reasons he had to stop what he was doing (reportedly he went without pay for1 year), then perhaps Youth Challenge would have died in its infancy.
Of course, one cannot predict if someone else would have stepped up to the plate and bat, and bat just as well.
Ethically I agree with you that 40% of the donations is way too much, and is hard to justify. If he raised alot more this was only <5% of the charity's budget, it probably is more palatable. -
I dont think the authority will raise such an alarm if nothing wrong had been established in the first place.Originally posted by Dogtor:Volunteer is volunteer, of course you are right. Perhaps I didn't express myself clearly. You would not expect him to volunteer for life and do this as a fulltime thing - how is he gonna survive??
So if after 1 year, for financial reasons he had to stop what he was doing (reportedly he went without pay for1 year), then perhaps Youth Challenge would have died in its infancy.
Of course, one cannot predict if someone else would have stepped up to the plate and bat, and bat just as well.
Ethically I agree with you that 40% of the donations is way too much, and is hard to justify. If he raised alot more this was only <5% of the charity's budget, it probably is more palatable.
The report is not only damaging the image of charitable orgs and casting the doubt of the person-in-charge -
At some point, when the flow of money passes your hands on an everyday basis, one wiff of it can corrupt even the most incorruptable person, especially one who has 'volunteered' his/her services to help charity and youths.Originally posted by Dogtor:Volunteer is volunteer, of course you are right. Perhaps I didn't express myself clearly. You would not expect him to volunteer for life and do this as a fulltime thing - how is he gonna survive??
So if after 1 year, for financial reasons he had to stop what he was doing (reportedly he went without pay for1 year), then perhaps Youth Challenge would have died in its infancy.
Of course, one cannot predict if someone else would have stepped up to the plate and bat, and bat just as well.
Ethically I agree with you that 40% of the donations is way too much, and is hard to justify. If he raised alot more this was only <5% of the charity's budget, it probably is more palatable.
The question is not whether it was unethical for him to draw a 13K salary, but more of 'how much is too much?'
You are indeed correct. To be fair, no one should work for free. Drawing a salary is perfectly legit. But when a person treats the amount of money he earns as a performance indicator and the dollar value of his worth, then perhaps, the message of charity has become lost.
Make no mistake, 13K is considered 'superscale' salary. And in charity, anyone will question such a huge figure; a high end 4 figure sum would have at least been agreeable on most people's lips. -
given the high cost of living, $13k is not exactly superscale wage. it's perhaps too much for a charity organisation..then again even if he were to draw half that, he would also recieve the same flak. if there's anyone to be blamed, blame the group of people who insists high pay will stem corruption. well, that's what we are seeing, no outright corruption but altruism is down the tubes. singaporeans no longer serve out of passion but only for the rewards.
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I like your first sentence: 13K is not exactly superscale wage, given the high cost of living....Originally posted by countdracula:given the high cost of living, $13k is not exactly superscale wage. it's perhaps too much for a charity organisation..then again even if he were to draw half that, he would also recieve the same flak. if there's anyone to be blamed, blame the group of people who insists high pay will stem corruption. well, that's what we are seeing, no outright corruption but altruism is down the tubes. singaporeans no longer serve out of passion but only for the rewards.
Could it be that a cadre of individuals deliberately jacked up the cost of living to justifiy their obscene wages in the first place?
Relatively speaking, it could also be argued that a 5 figure salary is indeed superscale. -
FUNDAMENTALLY, as I had discussed in other posts, that the issue of public service and "altruism" is dead in Singapore - it is in part due to very realistic and pragmatic manner the gov of Sg conducts the affairs of state.Originally posted by countdracula:given the high cost of living, $13k is not exactly superscale wage. it's perhaps too much for a charity organisation..then again even if he were to draw half that, he would also recieve the same flak. if there's anyone to be blamed, blame the group of people who insists high pay will stem corruption. well, that's what we are seeing, no outright corruption but altruism is down the tubes. singaporeans no longer serve out of passion but only for the rewards.
Ministerial pay in all regards is obscene in the face of PUBLIC SERVICE. -
Originally posted by BillyBong:
Whether is it superscale or not? It is not an issue,but whether yr consciousness is clear or not to take such a fat salary. this is not wat u had earned but was donated by the kind hearted ppls who may earn less than S$1k p.m but give it 4 the good cause.
I like your first sentence: [b]13K is not exactly superscale wage, given the high cost of living....
Could it be that a cadre of individuals deliberately jacked up the cost of living to justifiy their obscene wages in the first place?
Relatively speaking, it could also be argued that a 5 figure salary is indeed superscale.
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He will be punished when he is in the hell!!! -
If a charity gets $200k of donations a year. And its operated single-handedly 24/7 by a devoted "volunteer". Should he get $190k a year? (more than 10k a month)
Why not just hire 3 more admin staff. Pay them 2k each and down his own pay by 6k.
I doubt anyone would complain and he wont have to do anything except for assigning tasks to his admin staffs. Easy life rite? -
Project your scenario to a National Scale - in which the Ministry of Finance collect over $100 Billion per year in revenue (from all sources), we probably can understand the logic of the Power Of One to demand that Ministers be paid appropriately to prevent the whiff of money from debilating their minds.Originally posted by NiteSg:If a charity gets $200k of donations a year. And its operated single-handedly 24/7 by a devoted "volunteer". Should he get $190k a year? (more than 10k a month)
Why not just hire 3 more admin staff. Pay them 2k each and down his own pay by 6k.
I doubt anyone would complain and he wont have to do anything except for assigning tasks to his admin staffs. Easy life rite?
Unfortunately, at the State level, the 'One-Man Show' is only as the Final Arbiter of Decisions, and despite the division of labor amongst so many Ministries, the Million Dollar salary is applicable to all.
The familiar statement - " Difficult decision is never a popular decision, and if it must be made, it shall be made " - was also quoted by the Sole Leader of Youth Challenge, and he has a fine Mentor to learn from. -
Most of the chaps in the Board of Directors themselves are the so called elites of the society (Mrs So and So, Dr that and that, etc etc) who usually earns much more then that amount, thats why to them its peanuts and easily justifiable..
On the other end of the scales, the most ordinary citizens will never see a 5 digit monthly income so to them $13K is damn alot.
What we really need is a proper salary scale for organisations which depends on the public's generousity. Such a salary scale should be reviewed annually by the NWC or other suitable authorities and adjusted accordingly
One thing to bear in mind is that, the general public should not be so narrow in the sense that folks working the charitable orgs must receive undermarket pay -
Well said!Originally posted by Mid9Sun:Most of the chaps in the Board of Directors themselves are the so called elites of the society (Mrs So and So, Dr that and that, etc etc) who usually earns much more then that amount, thats why to them its peanuts and easily justifiable..
On the other end of the scales, the most ordinary citizens will never see a 5 digit monthly income so to them $13K is damn alot.
What we really need is a proper salary scale for organisations which depends on the public's generousity. Such a salary scale should be reviewed annually by the NWC or other suitable authorities and adjusted accordingly
One thing to bear in mind is that, the general public should not be so narrow in the sense that folks working the charitable orgs must receive undermarket pay
Gov has said it will not interfere with this matter!!! then who or which org shall take the responsibility???
For charitable orgs,the $ is not earned but donated by gerneral public,salary sh be reasonable and fair. -
I used to respect YC for their work in keeping young people on the straight and narrow. However, it seems that they are another dodgy bunch after all.
