Some MORE Social Ills from China FTs....
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I would not take such behaviour lying down.Originally posted by zheshi:My neighbour rented they flat to a group of china peoples. Can't stand their behavihour.. they would sometime walk around the room naked, while without even closing their window.
My gf and mum told me, but heng i never see it before. I swear if i happen to see it myself again. I would give them a warning, if no effect.. i will report to the police.
Told them how many times not to hang their clothes on the corridors, they just wouldn't listen. Wanted to complain to the town council but my mum call me dun find trouble...
Piss off with them....
I really despise immigrants who do not make a conscious effort to integrate into our norms and way of life. -
Hello, ... I have never known any one of these PRCs to be CONSIDERATE.
Actually, you'all are debating and arguing over a decoy issue; the real objective in FTs is enlarging their supporters - how else do you think they can stay in power every GE??
Without all these FTs over the decade, I don't think they could have gotten 66.6%.
PR cannot vote. to be frank lah, you did surprise most of the PAP supporters are those in their 20s and 30s locally breed singaporean. -
I used to have a colleauge from China n she obtained her PR. She complained here is lousy.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I would not take such behaviour lying down.
I really despise immigrants who do not make a conscious effort to integrate into our norms and way of life. -
Originally posted by reyes:
I know PR cannot vote, but the many who eventually become citizens will definitely.
[b]Hello, ... I have never known any one of these PRCs to be CONSIDERATE.
Actually, you'all are debating and arguing over a decoy issue; the real objective in FTs is enlarging their supporters - how else do you think they can stay in power every GE??
Without all these FTs over the decade, I don't think they could have gotten 66.6%.
PR cannot vote. to be frank lah, you did surprise most of the PAP supporters are those in their 20s and 30s locally breed singaporean.
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This is how they ensure their stay in power. -
Lousy eh, so where does she want to do? The clear blue lakes of Switzerland?Originally posted by will4:I used to have a colleauge from China n she obtained her PR. She complained here is lousy. -
Largely, their mentality and attitude is that since our gov so much welcomes them to set roots here, they assume we (the citizens) SHOULD or MUST put up and or accept their ways of doing things.Originally posted by zheshi:My neighbour rented they flat to a group of china peoples. Can't stand their behavihour.. they would sometime walk around the room naked, while without even closing their window.
My gf and mum told me, but heng i never see it before. I swear if i happen to see it myself again. I would give them a warning, if no effect.. i will report to the police.
Told them how many times not to hang their clothes on the corridors, they just wouldn't listen. Wanted to complain to the town council but my mum call me dun find trouble...
Piss off with them....
But it would be their mistake when they cross some aggressive and blunt Singaporean Ah Beng uncle, or gets reported to Town Councils by locals whos' sword is the mighty pen.
In my personal experiences, I still find them inconsiderate, loud, and they possess this inborn tendency towards informal and illegal opportunities as well as manipulating orthers for financial and career gains.
I agree there are locals like that also, but with the influx of PRCs who are all mostly like that, it just adds more dirt into our society.
What talent? There are more OPPORTUNISTS than talents! -
soon they will be the majority. we have to learn to live like them.Originally posted by zheshi:My neighbour rented they flat to a group of china peoples. Can't stand their behavihour.. they would sometime walk around the room naked, while without even closing their window.
My gf and mum told me, but heng i never see it before. I swear if i happen to see it myself again. I would give them a warning, if no effect.. i will report to the police.
Told them how many times not to hang their clothes on the corridors, they just wouldn't listen. Wanted to complain to the town council but my mum call me dun find trouble...
Piss off with them....
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I seldom post, but I read this forum with interest. Let me relate my experience with these China parasites at my block at Punggol.
As you know, there is a common rubbish chute at all newer flats. I do not like this common chute thing nowadays because it really shows off the inconsiderate behaviours, especially with these PRCs nerds around.
A few months back, a family of PRCs shifted to my block at the same level about 2 units away. Very soon, the ugly PRC traits begin to show. What is originally a decently clean common rubbish chute area soon turns to a roach infested area. This a****** family will pour food leftovers without using any bags to contain it right to the bin, causing the bin to emanate foul smell and roaches. They will also try to stuff big plastic bags of home throwaways into the chute causing the bigger plastic bags of trash to stuck at the chute, and rendering it almost impossible for other families to throw their trashes. Many times i have to use strength to push the stucked items down. And just last weekend, I did not know what the f*** they were doing, they just placed a lorry of old cupboards, sofas, tables, toys, chairs and other trashes in this common area, thus completely blocking the access to the chute bin. I just don't understand how come they have so much trash to dispose all the times. Lastly, the PRC couple is hardcore smokers and they just stand outside the corridors to smoke and just throw the butts to the grounds as if here is china. Wtf, how come almost 100% of PRCs are lacking in social grace?? One day, when I can no longer endure, I will confront them. They are certainly worse than most kiasu/kiasi sinkgaporeans!
I am sure there are thousands of such disgraceful cases in Sinkgapore involving PRCs. -
In order to make you all feel a little bit better, let me tell you this:
All your grandfathers and grandmothers were exactly like those FT, when they came to Singapore from China many years ago.
Yeap the current generation of PRC's have very different social attitude compared to us overseas Chinese. China needs another 1 or 2 more generation before their people in OVERALL learns tolerance, manners, and good social behavior.
Overhere, we who are the 2nd or 3rd generation of Chinese have had a head start. So, naturally now we can't stand the antics of some first generation PRC's here who came directly from China.
So, it's okay. One day one of the FT's child will become our Prime Minister. So it's all good. Everything will smoothen out. -
No doubt about it, they have a DIRTY reputation and everybody knows this.Originally posted by ^polo:I seldom post, but I read this forum with interest. Let me relate my experience with these China parasites at my block at Punggol.
As you know, there is a common rubbish chute at all newer flats. I do not like this common chute thing nowadays because it really shows off the inconsiderate behaviours, especially with these PRCs nerds around.
A few months back, a family of PRCs shifted to my block at the same level about 2 units away. Very soon, the ugly PRC traits begin to show. What is originally a decently clean common rubbish chute area soon turns to a roach infested area. This a****** family will pour food leftovers without using any bags to contain it right to the bin, causing the bin to emanate foul smell and roaches. They will also try to stuff big plastic bags of home throwaways into the chute causing the bigger plastic bags of trash to stuck at the chute, and rendering it almost impossible for other families to throw their trashes. Many times i have to use strength to push the stucked items down. And just last weekend, I did not know what the f*** they were doing, they just placed a lorry of old cupboards, sofas, tables, toys, chairs and other trashes in this common area, thus completely blocking the access to the chute bin. I just don't understand how come they have so much trash to dispose all the times. Lastly, the PRC couple is hardcore smokers and they just stand outside the corridors to smoke and just throw the butts to the grounds as if here is china. Wtf, how come almost 100% of PRCs are lacking in social grace?? One day, when I can no longer endure, I will confront them. They are certainly worse than most kiasu/kiasi sinkgaporeans!
I am sure there are thousands of such disgraceful cases in Sinkgapore involving PRCs.
Judging from what you described, they either don't have the brains to use a common rubbish chute, or simply lack common sense. -
Yes please! Cry more! it helps!
take one example for a disgrace PR and shame the rest of the PRs in singapore.
Its not your fault! PRS are just better and so u are whining!
Don't make babies, don't progress in society, don't upgrade urself, don't like serving NS. and finally don't invite PRs, when we ourselves are an immigrant nation.
Live in a well. Cry more and speak ill of other people when they live in ur well too.
CRY MORE! IT HELPS! -
Originally posted by pinkish purple papayas:
WHAT, are you talking about?
Yes please! Cry more! it helps!
take one example for a disgrace PR and shame the rest of the PRs in singapore.
Its not your fault! PRS are just better and so u are whining!
Don't make babies, don't progress in society, don't upgrade urself, don't like serving NS. and finally don't invite PRs, when we ourselves are an immigrant nation.
Live in a well. Cry more and speak ill of other people when they live in ur well too.
[b]CRY MORE! IT HELPS![/b]
We're talking about dispicable PRCs in Singapore. Not just PR holders.
Do you hear or read of anyone talking negative about other nationals here?
These FOREIGNERS are only "better" because they can accept a lower salary so that they can send back to their family in China.
Obviously, they'd do anything and everything just to earn our Sing Dollars.
I don't see anything great about them, just a lot of attitude. -
Originally posted by pinkish purple papayas:
typical PAP lackey.
Yes please! Cry more! it helps!
take one example for a disgrace PR and shame the rest of the PRs in singapore.
Its not your fault! PRS are just better and so u are whining!
Don't make babies, don't progress in society, don't upgrade urself, don't like serving NS. and finally don't invite PRs, when we ourselves are an immigrant nation.
Live in a well. Cry more and speak ill of other people when they live in ur well too.
[b]CRY MORE! IT HELPS![/b] -
Are they really dispicable or are we styreotyping?Originally posted by ShutterBug:WHAT, are you talking about?
We're talking about dispicable PRCs in Singapore. Not just PR holders.
Do you hear or read of anyone talking negative about other nationals here?
These FOREIGNERS are only "better" because they can accept a lower salary so that they can send back to their family in China.
Obviously, they'd do anything and everything just to earn our Sing Dollars.
I don't see anything great about them, just a lot of attitude.
if 500 PRCs commit bad crimes out of 100,000 PRCs living in Singapore, are the whole 1.3billion PRCs bad?
Why don't Singaporeans take up lower salaries? If a singaporean takes a job with lower salary, does that make you feel better?
On the sideline, i have a PRs colleague from way up north, he seems ok. Is an engineer, has kids back in china, trying to apply citizenship here. But thats not the point, cause i don't want to styreotype.
Lastly, is it the PRs govt you are against, or the chinese culture, or the chinese race?
I have seen my shares of ugly PRCs, ugly Singaporeans, ugly malays and ugly white people.
But same too, i have seen my shares of good mannered PRCs, singaporeans, malays and white people.
Perhaps its because they have families, that why they want to spend money back home. think about it, if they do not spend money back home, are you going to open another thread stating that PRCs got no love for their familiy and country? -
Seriously, what would u do if u were the govt? I type a post w/o the slightest thought of PAP. btw, are u eligible to vote? or do u know what PAP stands for? or SDA?Originally posted by The Peacemaker:typical PAP lackey. -
Fight, fight.
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First of all, let me repeat this one more time; Singaporeans CANNOT take TOO LOW a salary simply because living costs for a typical Singaporean is not cheap. They can and they have lowered their expectations to date, but any lower they won't be able to make ends meet in the domestic end.Originally posted by pinkish purple papayas:Are they really dispicable or are we styreotyping?
if 500 PRCs commit bad crimes out of 100,000 PRCs living in Singapore, are the whole 1.3billion PRCs bad?
Why don't Singaporeans take up lower salaries? If a singaporean takes a job with lower salary, does that make you feel better?
On the sideline, i have a PRs colleague from way up north, he seems ok. Is an engineer, has kids back in china, trying to apply citizenship here. But thats not the point, cause i don't want to styreotype.
Lastly, is it the PRs govt you are against, or the chinese culture, or the chinese race?
I have seen my shares of ugly PRCs, ugly Singaporeans, ugly malays and ugly white people.
But same too, i have seen my shares of good mannered PRCs, singaporeans, malays and white people.
Perhaps its because they have families, that why they want to spend money back home. think about it, if they do not spend money back home, are you going to open another thread stating that PRCs got no love for their familiy and country?
As for the many PRCs here, I have only heard and seen their poor characteristics (as have many Singaporeans attest to this), as well as the many headlines in the local papers over the years about them being murdered or having cheated people both locals and of their own kind (dogs eating dogs). So in effect, their actions are what's STEREOTYPING them.
I have nothing against ANY race. I have friends of all races, but none are Chinese from China. This isn't about race, this is about our own gov's blind faith in China and their people, resulting in much hardship of the locals here.
Ugly people are indeed everywhere, but this isn't about ugly people. It is about the commonly known CHARACTER TRAITS of PRCs here in Singapore which many despise.
Let me tell you, what I hear from a PRC here who's working for a well known mobile phone company; he's recently married, his wife is a local SIngaporean. He's sending money home to China where his parents are, to accumulate enough wealth so that he can eventually leave Singapore and set up his own business in China with his Singaporean wife.
We are being used as a stepping stone through and through, while many locals are at wits end without a job to support their own families on their own soil!
I run my own business, and ALL of my staff are locals above 35 years of age. I turn away all foreign applicants. For this, my employees never short-change me in terms of work performance and loyalty. Even on MC they still return to office - I had to chase them home instead. -
If these PRC national come to Spore to take a not high salary compared to ur statement local cannot take any lower salary because of living expensesOriginally posted by ShutterBug:First of all, let me repeat this one more time; Singaporeans CANNOT take TOO LOW a salary simply because living costs for a typical Singaporean is not cheap. They can and they have lowered their expectations to date, but any lower they won't be able to make ends meet in the domestic end.
As for the many PRCs here, I have only heard and seen their poor characteristics (as have many Singaporeans attest to this), as well as the many headlines in the local papers over the years about them being murdered or having cheated people both locals and of their own kind (dogs eating dogs). So in effect, their actions are what's STEREOTYPING them.
I have nothing against ANY race. I have friends of all races, but none are Chinese from China. This isn't about race, this is about our own gov's blind faith in China and their people, resulting in much hardship of the locals here.
Ugly people are indeed everywhere, but this isn't about ugly people. It is about the commonly known CHARACTER TRAITS of PRCs here in Singapore which many despise.
Let me tell you, what I hear from a PRC here who's working for a well known mobile phone company; he's recently married, his wife is a local SIngaporean. He's sending money home to China where his parents are, to accumulate enough wealth so that he can eventually leave Singapore and set up his own business in China with his Singaporean wife.
We are being used as a stepping stone through and through, while many locals are at wits end without a job to support their own families on their own soil!
I run my own business, and ALL of my staff are locals above 35 years of age. I turn away all foreign applicants. For this, my employees never short-change me in terms of work performance and loyalty. Even on MC they still return to office - I had to chase them home instead.
it seemed quite funny cause those foreigners still need to manage their living expenses with the not high salary. If u think in this manner, the better idea is to shift to neighbourig Malaysia to live n cross over to Spore to work everyday. -
good questions.
Seriously, what would u do if u were the govt?
actually, my reply is in the posts that other forumners made.
keep the cost of living affordable, and make sure that the 'peasants' can get by. life for them is already hard without FTs. this is the least we can do, yet a priority.
let some FTs in, but not open the flood gates. nuff said.
locals as priority. if the FTs must be treated well, the locals must be treated better.
sounds more of idealistic than pragmatic, but it can't be that difficult, with a government of elites and scholars, surely?I type a post w/o the slightest thought of PAP. btw, are u eligible to vote? or do u know what PAP stands for? or SDA?
nah, i can only vote in the 2011 GE.
PAP = People's Action Party (Pay And Pay)
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If PRCs who live in Singapore can take a lower salary and yet save enough to send to their families in China, why not Singaporeans with far higher salaries? I think part of it has got to do with higher expectations of Singaporeans.Originally posted by ShutterBug:First of all, let me repeat this one more time; Singaporeans CANNOT take TOO LOW a salary simply because living costs for a typical Singaporean is not cheap. They can and they have lowered their expectations to date, but any lower they won't be able to make ends meet in the domestic end.
The government is looking into how we can do without low-skilled foreigner workers. The main reason why we have them is because they are so cheap that most employers (you are an exception) will not bother to offer higher salaries, which in turn, deters local Singaporeans from considering these jobs.
To reverse that, there are 2 options. First, the government can drastically increase the foreign worker levy to make it just as expensive to hire foreign workers. But the result of that will be higher charges for goods and services. If an employer is forced to pay more for his workers, he will either pass the costs to the consumers or move his business overseas. Are Singaporeans prepared to pay more for painting the house, childcare teachers and higher taxes for public works? Singaporeans will lose more if the businesses move out of Singapore completely to PRC or Thailand.
Second, the government can re-engineer low skilled jobs to increase productivity. What it means is that a Singaporean worker must be able to do the work of 2 or more PRC workers or make a higher quality product. According to a recent BBC report, some T-shirt manufacturers prefer Italian workers to Romanian workers even though Italians are far more expensive. The reason is that not only can Italian workers make the product, but when the machines malfunction or misalign the seams as they do from time to time, Italian workers can spot the problem, repair the machine and rectify the problem. Romanian workers cannot go the extra step and in the end the costs are higher in Romanian factories due to higher error rates.
Businesses are not charities. Employers are out to earn money. If we want less foreign workers, we have to make sure it is more profitable employing Singaporeans. Our workers must be more skilled, more responsible, more innovative and hardworking to make it worth the while of employers.
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Appears that you have conveniently ommitted or side-stepped the fact that locals are obligated to pay the various Taxes imposed on them by our gov.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If PRCs who live in Singapore can take a lower salary and yet save enough to send to their families in China, why not Singaporeans with far higher salaries? I think part of it has got to do with higher expectations of Singaporeans.
The government is looking into how we can do without low-skilled foreigner workers. The main reason why we have them is because they are so cheap that most employers (you are an exception) will not bother to offer higher salaries, which in turn, deters local Singaporeans from considering these jobs.
To reverse that, there are 2 options. First, the government can drastically increase the foreign worker levy to make it just as expensive to hire foreign workers. But the result of that will be higher charges for goods and services. If an employer is forced to pay more for his workers, he will either pass the costs to the consumers or move his business overseas. Are Singaporeans prepared to pay more for painting the house, childcare teachers and higher taxes for public works? Singaporeans will lose more if the businesses move out of Singapore completely to PRC or Thailand.
Second, the government can re-engineer low skilled jobs to increase productivity. What it means is that a Singaporean worker must be able to do the work of 2 or more PRC workers or make a higher quality product. According to a recent BBC report, some T-shirt manufacturers prefer Italian workers to Romanian workers even though Italians are far more expensive. The reason is that not only can Italian workers make the product, but when the machines malfunction or misalign the seams as they do from time to time, Italian workers can spot the problem, repair the machine and rectify the problem. Romanian workers cannot go the extra step and in the end the costs are higher in Romanian factories due to higher error rates.
Businesses are not charities. Employers are out to earn money. If we want less foreign workers, we have to make sure it is more profitable employing Singaporeans. Our workers must be more skilled, more responsible, more innovative and hardworking to make it worth the while of employers.
Blaming the government will not change anything. Our workers must adopt a newer mindset.
Locals have their families as well as close family relations to care for. You can't possibly compare with those from China who work here and send money back to where they obviously TRULY OWN their own property or land, and where their currency and basic costs aren't as high as ours.
I think you chose to ignore or refuse to admit that living costs are the direct effects of our gov's doing.
Tell me, what does it takes for locals to upgrade skills? PEANUTS? or more MONEY to do so?
And then after that, how do they recoup what they expended to upgrade themselves?
I already mentioned, our gov wants us to run faster and faster in their economic olympics, but do we gain in the end? Growth for who? Their pockets or our pockets?
We accomodated so far, what have we gained? Only to now be told to bow down and accept these PRC FTs as we need them because none of us locals are economical to be of use??
Doesn't this says a lot about their leadership skills in helping the nation "progress"??? And being so called, "INCLUSIVE" to boot? -
Which is what a lot of locals are doing, or are saving up to do:Originally posted by will4:If these PRC national come to Spore to take a not high salary compared to ur statement local cannot take any lower salary because of living expenses
it seemed quite funny cause those foreigners still need to manage their living expenses with the not high salary. If u think in this manner, the better idea is to shift to neighbourig Malaysia to live n cross over to Spore to work everyday.
>> empty savings and CPF move to Thailand or Malaysia to retire or even earlier -
Tell me, assuming the average age of these FTs and or eventual New Citizen Converts are 20 somethings to 40 somethings, wouldn't they in the near decades become another group of aged locals which our gov is so fearful of being liable to?
And should we be foolishly naive to BELIEVE that their offsprings WILL stay and support them while contributing here?
I tell you, if they can fly here from their original country, they can too fly away to greener pastures after discovering the true colors of our system here. -
I have been reading this matter n it seemed local never liked PRC national but what about other nationalities?
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Hey, you trying to stir more shit up is it?Originally posted by will4:I have been reading this matter n it seemed local never liked PRC national but what about other nationalities?