Some MORE Social Ills from China FTs....
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As you said, it is not cheap having local workers. You choose to hire locals as a matter of principle, but you cannot employ many of them and do not contribute that much to the GDP.Originally posted by ShutterBug:But when I see and hear people down and out because they lost their livelihoods to FTs from PRC, I feel the pinch. And I can;t help them cause I can only afford so many local employees. It's not cheap having them, and having them cheaply by depressing their salary, I might as well hire FWs and don't bother helping anyone but myself.
The big multinational companies employ far more and they matter to the economy. The bosses in these MNCs wouldn't give a damn as to whether Singaporeans can find jobs or not. They want better profit margins...period. If they cannot access cheaper foreign labour in Singapore, they will move their business elsewhere.
We have to get our workers to constantly upgrade their skills. No point blaming the education system because whatever you have learnt in the Uni or Poly 20 years ago are useless today. Technology moves very fast and unless we keep up with the latest developments, we will be left behind. US workers are the most productive in the world. We have to acquire new skills as quickly as US workers, instead of trying to protect our low-skilled jobs from PRCs. -
Can all these PDMMs and prostitutes/robbers from PRC n third world countries contribute 2 our GDP???
Wat skills they had possessed in their own third world country?perhaps, farming and fruking business??? can help 2 assist Spore lah!!!
Of course,I cant deny those scientists n reserchers I saw in NUS and MNC labs contribute 2 our GDP but they are minority.
But I m very sad to state that majority od these foreigners are flies looking 4 $ and not FT whom we attracted here now,cause of our S$.
Do u believe a self proclaimed phd degree holder who claimed will defence S'pore but does not even know our NS is 2 yrs now instead of 2 and half yrs previouly???
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well, foomwee88 has just pretty well replied on my behalf to you, oxford.
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only one word can described u "ignorant"...Originally posted by foomwee88:Can all these PDMMs and prostitutes/robbers from PRC n third world countries contribute 2 our GDP???
Wat skills they had possessed in their own third world country?perhaps, farming and fruking business??? can help 2 assist Spore lah!!!
Of course,I cant deny those scientists n reserchers I saw in NUS and MNC labs contribute 2 our GDP but they are minority.
But I m very sad to state that majority od these foreigners are flies looking 4 $ and not FT whom we attracted here now,cause of our S$.
Do u believe a self proclaimed phd degree holder who claimed will defence S'pore but does not even know our NS is 2 yrs now instead of 2 and half yrs previouly??? -
the truth hurts, doesn't it.Originally posted by ShutterBug:We locals are indeed resilient; we been taking so much of their dry and hard to swallow policies for so many decades, we're "talented" in this sense!
Wait till the many PRs and New Citizens gets a taste of it - hehehee...
they'd be choking out in front of their embassies!
From where I stand, because I'm quite a keen observer and participants in the liberal arts, I find that many Singaporeans my age, are thinking of shunning those industries who have a disproportionate number of foreign workers, and in my circle at least, most of us are seeking a better pasture in performing arts, international relations, film studies/production or the academia.
At least for this group, our command of English is a bonus and akin to our only way out. Perhaps we just have to leverage on what we possess.
Shutterbug is right, talent is talent. Saturation is the biggest problem facing our economy right now, because the people behind the immigration policies, are slow to react to the fallout of liberal immigration and work permit policies. It took them 6 years to realise that we have to tighten certain aspects of it.
In every nation, migrants are expected to add value to the GDP and possess skills not found in their new homeland, or take up jobs that no one will do. This is undeniable.However, what becomes seriously flawed, which many do not see, is the duplication of services at middle-management level and this argument put forward by supporters of such a move, will lead to this economy becoming a wage-based economy, rather than output and value driven.
Are we going to sit by and idly accept wages as the primary determinant of our economy, and take so many steps backwards until the major part of our economy is stuck in manufacturing?
There is a growing trend in many countries in the OECD and G8, that are calling for restraints on immigration, because there needs to be a traffic light somewhere in this post-modern labour movement. You cannot have a free-for-all from the North to the South, not when the workers of the South do not have the kinds of debt burden that the North has. There has to be affirmative action elsewhere to balance out the "roughing of the edges" that occurs when large pools of cheap labour, unencumbered by the consumer trap that the citizens of the North face.
I do not think so.
But as for me, I thank God that I had an education which allowed me to be more global. -
I m ignorant n stupid sporean cause I had seen u through n know wat u r!!!Originally posted by play_n_play:only one word can described u "ignorant"...
Even in a Muslim country like Brunei, these flies also attacking like wild !!! regardless of others'culture and family values. But our s'pore gov welcomed them with open arms!!!
I m really feel ashamed 2 be a chinese in overseas!!! I dont want them to stay near to my family in Spore, I dont want also to be associated at all with them in overseas but our gov want me 2 love them, vomitting blood loh!!!!Got Aids or not,sg gov pls make sure they hve a yellow card 2 certify Aids free b4 u ask Sporean 2 love them!!!
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Your responses smack of bigoted ranting and contribute nothing to your arguments.Originally posted by foomwee88:Can all these PDMMs and prostitutes/robbers from PRC n third world countries contribute 2 our GDP???
Wat skills they had possessed in their own third world country?perhaps, farming and fruking business??? can help 2 assist Spore lah!!!
Of course,I cant deny those scientists n reserchers I saw in NUS and MNC labs contribute 2 our GDP but they are minority.
But I m very sad to state that majority od these foreigners are flies looking 4 $ and not FT whom we attracted here now,cause of our S$.
Do u believe a self proclaimed phd degree holder who claimed will defence S'pore but does not even know our NS is 2 yrs now instead of 2 and half yrs previouly???
The government is not encouraging PDMM or PRCs to work in tui-na parlours and if you have not even read the newspapers, go out and see what has happened to many of these massage joints today. Only Singaporeans and Malaysians are allowed to work in these trades now. Perhaps you are happier that only women from Singapore and Malaysia are allowed to sell their bodies?
The vast majority of PRCs working Singapore are NOT prostitutes and robbers. If they are, why should Singaporean workers fear for their rice bowls? You are not suggesting that Singaporeans are also 'prostitutes/robbers' as well?
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Still, i feel less threatened by Subcontinental FTs than PRCs.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Your responses smack of bigoted ranting and contribute nothing to your arguments.
The government is not encouraging PDMM or PRCs to work in tui-na parlours and if you have not even read the newspapers, go out and see what has happened to many of these massage joints today. Only Singaporeans and Malaysians are allowed to work in these trades now. Perhaps you are happier that only women from Singapore and Malaysia are allowed to sell their bodies?
The vast majority of PRCs working Singapore are NOT prostitutes and robbers. If they are, why should Singaporean workers fear for their rice bowls? You are not suggesting that Singaporeans are also 'prostitutes/robbers' as well? 
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I m very surprised to note wat u hve written on the above post.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Your responses smack of bigoted ranting and contribute nothing to your arguments.
The government is not encouraging PDMM or PRCs to work in tui-na parlours and if you have not even read the newspapers, go out and see what has happened to many of these massage joints today. Only Singaporeans and Malaysians are allowed to work in these trades now. Perhaps you are happier that only women from Singapore and Malaysia are allowed to sell their bodies?
The vast majority of PRCs working Singapore are NOT prostitutes and robbers. If they are, why should Singaporean workers fear for their rice bowls? You are not suggesting that Singaporeans are also 'prostitutes/robbers' as well?
U r insulting S'preans n Malaysians again especially those who r working in genuine tui-nai business!! Pls behave yrself!!!
Do u know why our gov does not allow PDMMs to work in this trade cause they know pretty well that these chinese nationals would not behave themself and their aim is 2 make quick $.
The issue here is what r the majority of these foreigners had possessed in their own countries which can contribute to Spore???
In conclusion, I m very sure that u r not born in Spore and not a very highly educated ppl judging from the ways u had mixed up the issues here. -
Thk u 2 my parents!!! w/o them I could not be an Uni graduate 2 argue with them!!!! n my son 2 be a Doc.Originally posted by LazerLordz:the truth hurts, doesn't it.
From where I stand, because I'm quite a keen observer and participants in the liberal arts, I find that many Singaporeans my age, are thinking of shunning those industries who have a disproportionate number of foreign workers, and in my circle at least, most of us are seeking a better pasture in performing arts, international relations, film studies/production or the academia.
At least for this group, our command of English is a bonus and akin to our only way out. Perhaps we just have to leverage on what we possess.
Shutterbug is right, talent is talent. Saturation is the biggest problem facing our economy right now, because the people behind the immigration policies, are slow to react to the fallout of liberal immigration and work permit policies. It took them 6 years to realise that we have to tighten certain aspects of it.
In every nation, migrants are expected to add value to the GDP and possess skills not found in their new homeland, or take up jobs that no one will do. This is undeniable.However, what becomes seriously flawed, which many do not see, is the duplication of services at middle-management level and this argument put forward by supporters of such a move, will lead to this economy becoming a wage-based economy, rather than output and value driven.
Are we going to sit by and idly accept wages as the primary determinant of our economy, and take so many steps backwards until the major part of our economy is stuck in manufacturing?
There is a growing trend in many countries in the OECD and G8, that are calling for restraints on immigration, because there needs to be a traffic light somewhere in this post-modern labour movement. You cannot have a free-for-all from the North to the South, not when the workers of the South do not have the kinds of debt burden that the North has. There has to be affirmative action elsewhere to balance out the "roughing of the edges" that occurs when large pools of cheap labour, unencumbered by the consumer trap that the citizens of the North face.
I do not think so.
But as for me, I thank God that I had an education which allowed me to be more global.
through their hard work,we hve 2day!!! thks!!!
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Sorry,for I will be away in overseas from tomorrow. I m hoping that u can give them a damn especilly these PRC's Dogs!! who dont know their rights etc .Originally posted by ShutterBug:well, foomwee88 has just pretty well replied on my behalf to you, oxford.
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u r dog's son, barking everyday...
come to my terrace, i am looking for a barking dog now...u r the best candidate...congratulations, u got it...
fly to the hell tomorrow...Originally posted by foomwee88:Sorry,for I will be away in overseas from tomorrow. I m hoping that u can give them a damn especilly these PRC's Dogs!! who dont know their rights etc .
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nobody's laughing.Originally posted by play_n_play:u r dog's son, barking everyday...
come to my terrace, i am looking for a barking dog now...u r the best candidate...congratulations, u got it...
fly to the hell tomorrow...
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Since when did dogs ever have any humour.Originally posted by The Peacemaker:nobody's laughing.
you have no sense of humour.
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yeah, dog does not have any humor like peacemaker and iveco
Originally posted by iveco:Since when did dogs ever have any humour. -
I think Peacemaker is more clear-headed than most of us. He knows when to starve the trolls.Originally posted by play_n_play:yeah, dog does not have any humor like peacemaker and iveco -
How come this topic become a conflict zone already?
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The trolls have invaded. Someone pass the banhammer to CenturionMBT.Originally posted by will4:How come this topic become a conflict zone already? -
think somebody wants a ban here...
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Was wondering how long it would take for the Mods to do something..Originally posted by CenturionMBT:think somebody wants a ban here...
This is not a debate any longer...sounds more liike hooligans hurling abuse....and it's worse in the other thread.
Close the topic...Singaporeans do not deserve free speech...they cannot handle it. -
thank you thank you.Originally posted by iveco:I think Peacemaker is more clear-headed than most of us. He knows when to starve the trolls. 
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radicals are everywhere, just quite prominent in forums.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Was wondering how long it would take for the Mods to do something..
This is not a debate any longer...sounds more liike hooligans hurling abuse....and it's worse in the other thread.
Close the topic...Singaporeans do not deserve free speech...they cannot handle it.
it is not fully xenophobia; how else do you think singaporeans can voice their displeasure when the government doesn't care?
yes, you are pragmatic and you can analyze such an issure from the government's perspective, i respect you for that; it is a mark of leadership. but we all have to remember(if PAP does not remember), that the government is elected to serve the nation, not feed their own pockets.
the xenophobic remarks typed by some forumners like heroboy or foomwee88 may be extreme, but they do make some sense afterall. they are probably the best representatives of oppression by the incumbents in white.
i have been observing your posts and i must say you are knowledgeable, armed with an excellent command of english language. try to open your mind further and grasp some ground knowledge, it is beneficial.
just my humble opinion. no offence meant. -
everybody has the right to express his idea. but it is surprising to see sb. using the ugly words here and there in this forum.
it made me remember my trips in taiwan. The parties fight, argue with each other using the most ugly chinese words, but ironically, they did not feel shame.
it is not a real democracy, there must be sth. wrong in the education or society system.Originally posted by The Peacemaker:radicals are everywhere, just quite prominent in forums.
it is not fully xenophobia; how else do you think singaporeans can voice their displeasure when the government doesn't care?
yes, you are pragmatic and you can analyze such an issure from the government's perspective, i respect you for that; it is a mark of leadership. but we all have to remember(if PAP does not remember), that the government is elected to serve the nation, not feed their own pockets.
the xenophobic remarks typed by some forumners like heroboy or foomwee88 may be extreme, but they do make some sense afterall. they are probably the best representatives of oppression by the incumbents in white.
i have been observing your posts and i must say you are knowledgeable, armed with an excellent command of english language. try to open your mind further and grasp some ground knowledge, it is beneficial.
just my humble opinion. no offence meant. -
it will be a common sight in taiwan for parties to hurl abuses at one another. even their parliament does it too.Originally posted by play_n_play:everybody has the right to express his idea. but it is surprising to see sb. using the ugly words here and there in this forum.
it made me remember my trips in taiwan. The parties fight, argue with each other using the most ugly chinese words, but ironically, they did not feel shame.
it is not a real democracy, there must be sth. wrong in the education or society system.
more often than not, it is both the education and society system at work. MOE have alot of work to do.
but really, it takes guts to even express ideas in singapore. -
Sorry to disabuse you, but the government may be planning to open the flood gates for Indian doctors too.Originally posted by foomwee88:Thk u 2 my parents!!! w/o them I could not be an Uni graduate 2 argue with them!!!! n my son 2 be a Doc.
through their hard work,we hve 2day!!! thks!!!
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