Singapore Factor in Malaysian Politics
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Wish you good luck in your investment.Originally posted by foomwee88:We bought a cond unit in Kl at S$350,000 from Capital lLand at Twin Towers area which will be completed by mid next year.
The selling has gone up about 12% after we had purchased it 1 and half years ago , this is to illustrate what u read from the newspaper may not b 100% accurate,they r loser and they r winner like some of us as well!!!
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Yet we have Mr Khairy speaking in this manner?Originally posted by Atobe:
With new political leadership at the helms of both countries, Singapore and Malaysia should develop a more mature and sophisticated mechanism in guiding and developing the political attitudes and behaviors of those involved in politics.
This is critical as on the social, cultural and economic fronts - the relationship is mature, deep rooted, amicable, mutually supporting and beneficial.
The good relationship can be seen in the many cross-border marriages amongst the different ethnic communities of Malaysia and Singapore - which basically begs the question - can one differentiate between a Malaysian or Singapore Malay, Indian, Eurasian, or Chinese ?
We share the same food, customs, traditions, culture, social values, and way of life - (comparing like for like, i.e. the urbanites with the urbanites, rural folks with the rural folks). Is there any difference between the KL Pub Hopper with the Singaporean Pub Hopper ?
We enjoy our beer and music in the same manner, and are equally at home in any Pub in Malaysia or Singapore.
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Yet, there is distintion between bumiputra and non bumiputra. Non bumiputra are always treated as second class or “visitor”. When go Pub Hopping in KL look around who you are "dealing" with. You must pay due respect to the owner of the Land (bumiputra). -
It is tol be used as our second home in the future.Originally posted by pisces8:Wish you good luck in your investment.
What is your plan for the condo unit in KL? Rent out?
Meanwhile, we will rent it out next year,for we c the appreciation of M$ against s$ soon. -
Originally posted by pisces8:
Who is Mr Khairy ?
Original post by Atobe:
With new political leadership at the helms of both countries, Singapore and Malaysia should develop a more mature and sophisticated mechanism in guiding and developing the political attitudes and behaviors of those involved in politics.
This is critical as on the social, cultural and economic fronts - the relationship is mature, deep rooted, amicable, mutually supporting and beneficial.
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Yet we have Mr Khairy speaking in this manner?
He is but only a small fry trying very hard to climb the corporate ladder by stealing the spotlight on himself, without understanding the heat generated.
Each time when Mr Khairy open his mouth, somehow he has left his brains behind, leaving his tongue to pollute the environment and in the process antagonising everyone around him.
He is a disgrace to himself, his own community, and most of all his father-in-law (PM Badawi).
His recent insensitive remarks have riled up the Malaysian Chinese Community, who has now moved turned on the screws to demand an open and unmistakeable apology from Mr Khairy.
See the Star, Saturday Edition, 26 August 2006 - MCA Youth demands apology from Khairy.
As a vice-President of the UMNO Youth Wing, Mr Khairy has no say in the building of good relations between the National Leadership of Singapore and Malaysia; and if he persist to step his foot in the wrong places, it will not be long when Mr Khairy will be dropped like a "hot potato"Originally posted by pisces8:
In every society or community there will always be distinction - in form or another - the same goes for Singapore, with our classification of the Elites and the Non-Elites; and the deeper racial undertones that are not spoken officially, but discrimination exists in the Public and Private Sectors.
Original post by Atobe:
The good relationship can be seen in the many cross-border marriages amongst the different ethnic communities of Malaysia and Singapore - which basically begs the question - can one differentiate between a Malaysian or Singapore Malay, Indian, Eurasian, or Chinese ?
We share the same food, customs, traditions, culture, social values, and way of life - (comparing like for like, i.e. the urbanites with the urbanites, rural folks with the rural folks). Is there any difference between the KL Pub Hopper with the Singaporean Pub Hopper ?
We enjoy our beer and music in the same manner, and are equally at home in any Pub in Malaysia or Singapore.
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Yet, there is distintion between bumiputra and non bumiputra. Non bumiputra are always treated as second class or “visitor”. When go Pub Hopping in KL look around who you are "dealing" with. You must pay due respect to the owner of the Land (bumiputra).
The non-Bumiputra in Malaysia can be considered to have been better treated than most non-Bumiputras in Indonesia, Thailand, and Vietnam.
If you are able to grab one, you should read the book "The Chinese Dilemma" - in order to have some understanding of the non-Bumiputra's unique circumstances in Malaysia.
On the subject of "Pub Hopping in KL" - I am surprised that you had the experience of paying the respect to the Bumi owner of the land, on which the PUB is built on.
Will a pious Bumiputra - proud of his Islamic religion - lease his land to a PUB Operator, and allow himself to be seen inside the PUB, so that we can pay respect to him ?
Were you sober before you think you actually saw the Bumi Land Owner inside the Pub ?
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I still cannot believe that after 41 years of separation, Malaysia still has a bitter taste in its mouth with regards to Singapore. The fact that they thought we are dependent on them makes me laugh. We have out-striped them in terms of development, and economically, we are much better than them. They just cannot believe that a tiny country could do all this, and do it way better than they.
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LKY is veri veri smart!!!Originally posted by pisces8:Mr Khairy, son-in-law of Datuk Seri Abdullah (Malaysia PM), told reporters after opening the UMNO Sri Gadang youth delegatesÂ’ meeting:
“The Republic (of Singapore) has imposed many terms and conditions during the negotiation stage of the bridge project as they always thought they have better bargaining power backed by economic strength.”
“They do not realize they will deplete their land resources sooner or later. When that time comes, their people will ultimately shift to Johor Baru, which will then become a new developed area.”
“By that time, they will have to depend on us and even take the initiative to build the bridge. Just wait and see.”
Didn't you seen his intention of visiting Indonesia recently?
Depleting of land resources...? No worries, lky had that in mind already...HE IS THE GOD OF SINgapore.
He will keep on reclaiming singapore land until it joins with Batam....
Sand? No worries, singapore is going to build a spaceport in the near future!!! So...singapore cabinet mini-star wong kan sing will pilot the rocket to moon to bring back moon sand to reclaim land.
Really First world govt!!! Maybe our cabinet mini-stars will claim that they are the universal mini-stars soon....or maybe Lord of the Abyss! -
Originally posted by Lowclassman:
Good one !!!
LKY is veri veri smart!!!
Didn't you seen his intention of visiting Indonesia recently?
Depleting of land resources...? No worries, lky had that in mind already...HE IS THE GOD OF SINgapore.
He will keep on reclaiming singapore land until it joins with Batam....
Sand? No worries, singapore is going to build a spaceport in the near future!!! So...singapore cabinet mini-star wong kan sing will pilot the rocket to moon to bring back moon sand to reclaim land.
Really First world govt!!! Maybe our cabinet mini-stars will claim that they are the universal mini-stars soon....or maybe [b]Lord of the Abyss! [/b]
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To generalise the negative feelings towards Singapore in a single word "Malaysia" is to do injustice to the many Malaysians who have positive feelings towards Singapore.Originally posted by nanren4ever:I still cannot believe that after 41 years of separation, Malaysia still has a bitter taste in its mouth with regards to Singapore. The fact that they thought we are dependent on them makes me laugh. We have out-striped them in terms of development, and economically, we are much better than them. They just cannot believe that a tiny country could do all this, and do it way better than they.
PM Badawi is one such positive person, who is guided by his Islamic faith in being a generous and progressive Muslim, as well as others within his Malay community, and the other ethnic communities that form Malaysia - (which also include those from Sarawak and Sabah).
Unfortunately, it has always been the impatient and aggressive Malaysian Malay Politicians who seem to be raising the " Singapore Bogey " to advance their position; and in the most severe vitrolic language in a display of false intellectual superiority over a largely uncritical and shallow thinking Malay population.
It is also unfortunate that the majority of Malaysian Malay folks are living in the rural areas, and have little global exposure. They are simple minded, quickly agitated, emotionally gullible, and easily manipulated by any scheming ambitious Malaysian Malay politician - who is in a hurry to scramble up the political ladder.
Singapore is conveniently targetted in the " cross-hair " of every unscrupulously ambitious Malay politician due to historical events - that continue to exist in the memories of many who lived through the period of political rivalries between UMNO and PAP.
The typical fiesty, impulsive and simple minds of these Malaysian Malays form the most convenient captive audience to the many unscrupulously ambitious Malaysian Malay Politicians - who need their electoral support.
How many of these Malaysian Malays - with a large portion being rural folks - have even stepped across the Causeway, to visit Singapore in the last 41 years ?
For those few who have visited Singapore, they will be surprised - even shocked - by the vast difference in the modern Singapore urban environment, social practises, orderliness of City Life, and "World Class" attractions.
Many ordinary Malaysians - of all ethnicities - enjoy visiting Singapore, and will
leave with mix feelings of awe, admiration, shock, and cynicism - to the progress, beauty, and costliness of everything (from food to entertainment).
The Malaysians will leave Singapore with ideas that if Singapore can achieve to build an environment as it is, the Malaysians can also do the same at a lower costs without "sacrificing quality and standards" or "stellar jump in costs".
While Malaysian Malay Politicians will aggressively pursue political goals of improving Malaysia to compete with Singapore, the Malaysian Chinese Politicians seem to be taking cues from Singapore Politicies.
We can see parallel programs in Speak Mandarin Campaign to cut across the diverse dialects spoken amongst the Chinese, promoting Confucianism practices to preserve Chineseness in the face of competition from Western Cultures. With most major Malaysian towns being managed by Malaysian Chinese Town Councillors, one can find many attempts at creating mini-gardens and landscaping in all the small towns, and along the highways that lead from the towns into the larger Cities.
Singapore becomes a model from Malaysian Politicians to be used as an incentive to improve themselves. Singapore should also be concious of the fact that Malaysia can outstrip us, if they find a Leader who can drop all the vitrolic in our mutual relationship, as well as their internal politics, and concentrate on progress.
PM Badawi will probably be the one to lead Malaysia economically forward, and will be the best Malaysian Politician to lay the foundation for a stronger relationship between Malaysia and Singapore. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
They may have one good PM Badawi. He is surrounded by aggressive Malaysian Malay Politicians, and a majority of Malaysian Malay Folks living in the rural areas. The good PM has to play to the Majority in order to secure his place. With M Mahathir after him closely, mistakes are made, like Mr Khairy making uncalled for statements.
To generalise the negative feelings towards Singapore in a single word "Malaysia" is to do injustice to the many Malaysians who have positive feelings towards Singapore.
PM Badawi is one such positive person, who is guided by his Islamic faith in being a generous and progressive Muslim, as well as others within his Malay community, and the other ethnic communities that form Malaysia - (which also include those from Sarawak and Sabah).
Unfortunately, it has always been the impatient and aggressive [b]Malaysian Malay Politicians who seem to be raising the " Singapore Bogey " to advance their position; and in the most severe vitrolic language in a display of false intellectual superiority over a largely uncritical and shallow thinking Malay population.
It is also unfortunate that the majority of Malaysian Malay folks are living in the rural areas, and have little global exposure. They are simple minded, quickly agitated, emotionally gullible, and easily manipulated by any scheming ambitious Malaysian Malay politician - who is in a hurry to scramble up the political ladder.
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The typical fiesty, impulsive and simple minds of these Malaysian Malays form the most convenient captive audience to the many unscrupulously ambitious Malaysian Malay Politicians - who need their electoral support.
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PM Badawi will probably be the one to lead Malaysia economically forward, and will be the best Malaysian Politician to lay the foundation for a stronger relationship between Malaysia and Singapore.
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With the above climate, I do not see PM Badawi can do much to address the fundamental issues faced by Malaysia nor do much to forge a stronger relationship between the two countries. -
Originally posted by pisces8:
There are more good hearted Malaysian Malays outside of politics than inside, and some prefer to remain low key and exercise their influence behind the scenes.
They may have one good PM Badawi. He is surrounded by aggressive Malaysian Malay Politicians, and a majority of Malaysian Malay Folks living in the rural areas. The good PM has to play to the Majority in order to secure his place. With M Mahathir after him closely, mistakes are made, like Mr Khairy making uncalled for statements.
With the above climate, I do not see PM Badawi can do much to address the fundamental issues faced by Malaysia nor do much to forge a stronger relationship between the two countries.
Amongst the known Malaysian Malay Politicians in the public eye, there are those who have mellowed as they get closer to the seat of power - leaving their fiesty radicalism behind in the memory of their younger years.
DPM DatoÂ’ Sri Mohd Najib Bin Tun Haji Abdul Razak is directly next in line to succeed PM Badawi - and has the credential of a father having been the second PM of Malaysia after Tunku Abdul Rahman.
The Minister of Education - DatoÂ’ Hishammuddin Bin Tun Hussein is probably being groomed to be the future PM after DPM Najib; and Hishammuddin has good lineage credentials in his Grand-Father being the founder of UMNO, and his Father was the Third Prime Minister of Malaysia.
With these two prospective personalities to succeed one after the other - after PM Badawi - Singapore can look forward to at least another thirty years of stable relationship with Malaysia.
While the UMNO grass-roots may start difficult fires, the leadership has always been able to instill party discipline - either through negotiations, or accomodations, or mediations - all being part of the Malay cultural practises.
If all else fail, the strong hand of the Party Leader has been used before, to mobilise the Central Committee to expel recalcitrant party members.
It has always been UMNO and the Malay Culture to defer to its leaders, despite all disagreements. -
Well, the Malaysian Press has been speculating on him playing a greater role within UMNO and Malaysian Politics as a whole. To do so, one has to win the support and consent of the core members of UMNO who will favour a strong pro-bumiputra leader who shares their sentiments and views on Malaysia politics. Being UMNO and sharing a checked history with Singapore, and in the aftermath of the bridge issue, taking jibes at our Island State will certainly enhance his reputation and score point. So we shouldn't be too surprise or distressed to Khairul's comments, as comments of this nature has always and will frequently be discharged out of convenience and we should have already gotten used to it.
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If we look back at the performance of past Malaysian PMs, not one has ever 'danced to the tune' of the Malaysian Press; and PM Badawi will be the last person to do so.Originally posted by Quincey:Well, the Malaysian Press has been speculating on him playing a greater role within UMNO and Malaysian Politics as a whole. To do so, one has to win the support and consent of the core members of UMNO who will favour a strong pro-bumiputra leader who shares their sentiments and views on Malaysia politics. Being UMNO and sharing a checked history with Singapore, and in the aftermath of the bridge issue, taking jibes at our Island State will certainly enhance his reputation and score point. So we shouldn't be too surprise or distressed to Khairul's comments, as comments of this nature has always and will frequently be discharged out of convenience and we should have already gotten used to it.
From more recent events, PM Badawi has held his ground and silently plod ahead to surprise everyone with a masterful stroke in the 9th Malaysia Plan, while a frustrated Mahathir - (without his stage) - made full use of the publicity given by the Malaysian Press to take pot shots at PM Badawi to get a response.
We have already heard PM Badawi's view of being an examplary Muslim - not merely in words but also in deeds - to be progressive in thoughts and actions, and not bound by hankering, self-doubt, self-pity, and indulging in zero-sum games.
So far his actions are proving that he is leading by example, to be an examplary Muslim and showing his true leadership in unifying the different Malaysian races, so that they will work together and enlarge the economic pie.
It is unfortunate that his Son-in-Law, Khairy, showed the characteristics of the shallow and fiery immaturity of a Malay youth 'in-a-hurry'; making more blundering fiery speech to garner support to his position, as he is being assaulted by M.Mahathir - who have found him to be the weak link in PM Badawi's strong armor.
Khairy's fiery speeches is intended for his domestic communal consumption - as have been all other fiery speeches from other Malaysian Malay politicians 'on the way up. These speeches have affected the domestic audience from other ethnic communities more then raising any interest from Singaporeans.
Khairy will do well to learn from PM Badawi, by remaining calm and less agitated; use the interim period to crystalyse and accumulate his thoughts and substances before making a blast at his critiques.
It has already been more then two years since PM Badawi came into office, and not one jibe has been made from anyone in his Cabinet towards Singapore.
Even the 'abominable' Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar has toned down his characteristically undiplomatically fiesty attitude and remarks towards Singapore - in total contrast to his often repeated antics during Mahathir's term in office.
Change comes slowly, and PM Badawi has his plate full that will require more time to be cleared and digested - and he will show that 'good Muslims' exist and can be good National Leaders to rise above petty politics. -
One does wonder what is mahatir's agenda in attacking badawi?
Does he want to be primer minister again?
It's becoming a joke...
Any idea on what he is up to? -
Politics remains politics, politicans are still politicians, malaysian government built a bridge in their opposition state and singaporean government opened a MRT station in the opposition constituency. with the little development in Kelantan I can see how building a bridge in a state is such as big thing. Look at the state of development Sabah and Sarawah, and talk to the people there, they are still wandering what the central government would do for them. Badawi can make the difference, but he has a lot to do. In malaysia, they are used to hearing a lot, but nothing is for sure until things are done.
Khairy is not a nobody, he is the deputy chairman of UMNO Youth and is very much supported by the chairman and everybody. If even his son-in-law is quick to draw out the singapore card when he faced problem, how Pak La can prevent the others from using the card will be a real test to him, or does he want to? as long as the card benefit him? He is not asking his son in law to apologise, UMNO Youth chairman is defending him when asked by MCA youth to apologise for playing the racial card. He is not nobody.
We should leave it to them to play their game, even if they use singapore as bogeyman, but there is still a long way to go for us to have any part in the game. The better bet is still Bataam and Bintan in Indonesia. -
Certain minority ethnic group in Indonesia would find it difficult to forget the painful memory post financial meltdown. Malaysians by and large are friendly .
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Singapore has always been a factor in Malaysian Politics, and it has to be as Singapore has always affected Malaysian economics in one way or another.
According to statistics from the Immigration department, out of the 16.4 million tourists who entered Malaysia last year, 9.6 million were from Singapore.
The July 2006 Report from the Singapore Department of Statistics had recorded Singapore's investment in Malaysia at a value of S$13.94 Billion.
From a Malaysian report from The Star, 30 August 2006, the future between Malaysia and Singapore will be even more intertwined - when Singapore commerical and industrial enterprises seize the opportunity of the new South Johor Economic Region.
Singapore hopes SJER will enhance synergies
By NELSON BENJAMIN
SINGAPORE: The island republic has acknowledged that the South Johor Economic Region (SJER) may create competition between the two countries.
However, Singapore hopes its potential will further enhance existing synergies between the nations.
SingaporeÂ’s Minister for Trade and Industry Lim Hng Kiang said there would be competition as many companies viewed the Johor-Singapore combination as a more competitive location for manufacturing and distribution activities than areas in China.
“Given our close geographical proximity, it is not surprising that more than half of Singapore’s S$1.3bil (RM2.99bil) investment in Malaysia last year is located in Johor,” he told a seminar on Business Opportu- nities in Malaysia here yesterday.
“In fact, our companies are already looking at ways to create a win-win partnership in SJER projects.”
International Trade and Industry Minister Datuk Seri Rafidah Aziz, who opened the one-day seminar, echoed similar sentiments and added that the Government was committed towards promoting Johor as an economic hub.
“We are filling in the blanks in the SJER at the moment,” she told some 1,200 seminar participants from various sectors. -
In April, Malaysia said it would impose a fee – reported to be RM20 – on foreign cars entering the country. This was to help defray its fuel subsidies, which have helped keep pump prices among the lowest in the region.
Fielding questions at a business opportunities seminar on Tuesday to encourage Singapore companies to invest in Malaysia, International Trade and Industry Minister Rafidah Aziz was asked if the levy proposal was on.
Her response; “There was nothing to worry about. With no announcement made, it was not likely to be implemented.”
But when asked to comment on the matter on Wednesday, Deputy Home Minister Tan Cha Ho said; “The Cabinet has made a decision. This is a measure that is waiting to be implemented.”
About 40,000 vehicles cross into Malaysia from Singapore each day. If the RM20 fee was to be imposed., this could raise RM800,000 for the government daily. Just by one ruling, you have big money rolling into the government hands. -
By right, the M$ as well as Chinese Yuen are supposed to out perform S$ but so far not happening yet?Originally posted by foomwee88:It is tol be used as our second home in the future.
Meanwhile, we will rent it out next year,for we c the appreciation of M$ against s$ soon. -
M$ can outperform SGD?Originally posted by pisces8:By right, the M$ as well as Chinese Yuen are supposed to out perform S$ but so far not happening yet?
kidding who?
M$ has be depreciating steadily on the long run since 1960s against the SGD. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
To improve state relation between Singapore and Malaysia for the benefit of both sides, the key is people-to-people sincerity-integrity relation without ulterior motives dominating either sides.
Singapore has always been a factor in Malaysian Politics, and it has to be as Singapore has always affected Malaysian economics in one way or another.
According to statistics from the Immigration department, out of the 16.4 million tourists who entered Malaysia last year, [b]9.6 million were from Singapore.
The July 2006 Report from the Singapore Department of Statistics had recorded Singapore's investment in Malaysia at a value of S$13.94 Billion.
From a Malaysian report from The Star, 30 August 2006, the future between Malaysia and Singapore will be even more intertwined - when Singapore commerical and industrial enterprises seize the opportunity of the new South Johor Economic Region.
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Many proposals can be looked at more objectively by the people's sectors with comments from people's sectors. The Mahathir paranoid is caused by the fear of Singapore among the Malay aristocrats and elites for two reasons (1) Distrust of leaders (2) Racism.
If we want to build the super-train to join the whole continent from Singapore to China and the West, then the only way forward is to have more involvement of people with people as these people know their social, cultural and economic interests enough to make the difference.