yes. this is the kind of FT we should import more.
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Jailed Thai gets a shot at wedded bliss
A Thai national once banned permanently from Singapore may well get the chance to live here for good with her Singaporean husband. The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA) has said it will consider favourably an appeal from her to stay here after her time in jail.
But Wilasini Maniwan will have to serve four weeks in jail, even as the end of a couple's long and winding road to living together legally as man and wife in Singapore is in sight.
The saga of Maniwan, 21, and her Singaporean husband, Or Chee Koon, 30, has spanned close to three years, two illegal entries, one baby, and six appeals to the ICA.
It began in November 2003, when Maniwan came to the Republic to visit relatives. She overstayed, and in February the next year, met and fell in love with Mr Or, a salesman.
She became pregnant, and the couple planned to get married. So, in an effort to become legitimate, she gave herself up to the ICA in December that year.
However, she was deported to Thailand, where she gave birth to a baby girl in April last year. That was when the couple's attempts to marry and live here got more complicated.
She managed to sneak into Singapore with her daughter on June 16 last year, and they made plans to marry. But after a trip to Batam, Maniwan's status as a prohibited person was detected, and she was denied entry.
Mr Or appealed to the ICA and she was allowed to stay in Singapore for a week to sort out her return to Thailand.
In all, he wrote six appeals - three via his Member of Parliament.
Maniwan re-entered Singapore in February with a new passport and new name: Naphatson Or.
Her new name and identity did not fool the ICA, and she was arrested at Changi Airport on Feb 8.
In sentencing her to four weeks' jail on Friday, District Judge Danielle Yeow said Maniwan should have known better, and noted that it was the second time she had entered Singapore illegally. -
There will be a new category of 'personalised employment passes' tied to the person rather than the employer. This means that the person can continue staying here even if he leaves the company. The Manpower Ministry will announce details on Thursday.
The Home Affairs Ministry is also reviewing its criteria to allow longer-term stay for foreign graduates and others who qualify to stay on beyond the current stipulated six months in Singapore to look for work.
bravo!! quoted from some 1st class party newsletter.
more to come sinkies!! aiyah, so what if
1.FT take our jobs? No problem!
2.Shag our girls? No problem!
3.We do NS to protect them while they do our jobs and shag our girls? No problem!
get fcuked never mind. but put a big smile for them when the IMF visit ok! must have 4 million smiles ok!! -
The worst thing about being a singaporean is that our male sons will continue to be slave for the leadership. Our Singaporean Males effectively lose out 2 years of opportunity costs which makes them pale in finances in comparison to their foreign counterparts.Not withstanding that,our blood is being sucked and our girls are being taken.
What else could be worse? If we die in Singapore,we'll die die have to cremate so as to save costs and our legacy will only be remembered under a HDB block where they will place my coffin & set up tables so that people can view my body.We don't leave behind our 99 year hdb flat/10 year COE car because it's a rent(lease). -
The thing is not the Thai spouse but the Singaporean's happiness.
She flout the law and should be made to undergo some form of penitence but I am thinking of her poor, long-suffering SINGAPOREAN husband.
I also am annoyed that we have rules forbiding Singaporeans from marrying people when their pay is too low.
Singaporeans should be free to marry whoever they want - it's their life!!
WHY like dat one huh? -
A lot of flies hve come into S'pore creating not only this social problem and they also bring very influence to our children.
At home,we hve discussed lenghtly about when we are really to migrating and 2 where?
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your dear leaders like this type of flies to come. what can you do about it? these days i was thinking. better dont have kids. it will be cruel to raise them in singapore as they will be having a hard time here facing all the undue competition from all corners of the world.
u realise that any tom dick harry ex con ex-pro and drug addict can just walk in and settle down after yesterday's imperial edict. (or had they alreadly implemented ages ago and just announce yesterday?)
what i forsee is, wages will be depressed further. while costs of living still increases expoentially. i guess it doenst take an economist to know and realise the situation we are in. look around you and look at your bank account. you will know.
getting worse and worse, who want to sabo their off-springs under such living conditions
world number 1 prostitue indeed. i wonder which other country favours foriengers so much at the expense of its own citizens.
4 millons smiles. hmm...how about 4 millon farts instead? -
Agreed with what you said. Imagine 800 ppl giving up citizenship and they don't even bother to ask why. Instead of making ppl to leave, they ask more foreigner to come. what the hell. Tackling with our own problem? If we are suppose to tackle our own problem then no need government le. Must as well we just do our own things. Piece of shit. Every year rally also talk about the same all bullshit. Get money never do work. I think most civil servants suckz. Get taxpayers money will ya ya papaya. Think they are VIP. FARK THEM!!!
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u sure its 800 and not 80,000?
u trust the figures they gave you? you trust them to give you the exact figure? and you forgetten who owns the press?
doesnt matter really. anyones whos has the means to get out. will have gotten out alreadly.
who in their right mind will want to earn 3rd world wages in a 1st world country when they can earn 1st world wages in a 1st world country? -
80000 maybe a likely figureOriginally posted by killstyle:u sure its 800 and not 80,000?
u trust the figures they gave you? you trust them to give you the exact figure? and you forgetten who owns the press?
doesnt matter really. anyones whos has the means to get out. will have gotten out alreadly.
who in their right mind will want to earn 3rd world wages in a 1st world country when they can earn 1st world wages in a 1st world country? -
The last time I checked (2005-2006 data) our private sector wages have gone up, and so has our productivity. Still, this data may be inaccurate as it incorporates both wages earnt by FTs as well as Singaporeans. I'm not able to access SingStat yet since they're having system maintenance, but I'll do so when they go back up.Originally posted by killstyle:u sure its 800 and not 80,000?
u trust the figures they gave you? you trust them to give you the exact figure? and you forgetten who owns the press?
doesnt matter really. anyones whos has the means to get out. will have gotten out alreadly.
who in their right mind will want to earn 3rd world wages in a 1st world country when they can earn 1st world wages in a 1st world country?
Suffice to say, our wages are NOT falling. While the apparent mindset may be that FTs are stealing our incomes, in reality this is not necessarily true in the macro viewpoint. At the end of the day, the wages you earn still depend on your output-per-unit-wage, so if we take effort to improve our productivity further, I'm sure I'll wages will follow. -
output per unit. marco vs micro
very nice theories.but useless.
doesnt address the main bread and butter issue. doesnt tell the reason behind the fallacy we are facing now. -
Got meh??Originally posted by PointBlue:The last time I checked (2005-2006 data) our private sector wages have gone up, and so has our productivity. Still, this data may be inaccurate as it incorporates both wages earnt by FTs as well as Singaporeans. I'm not able to access SingStat yet since they're having system maintenance, but I'll do so when they go back up.
Suffice to say, our wages are NOT falling. While the apparent mindset may be that FTs are stealing our incomes, in reality this is not necessarily true in the macro viewpoint. At the end of the day, the wages you earn still depend on your output-per-unit-wage, so if we take effort to improve our productivity further, I'm sure I'll wages will follow.
Had been working very hard. Willing to die with a company, working from day to night.Weekend aslo have to work. Most fellows I know and I have not seen any increasing wages,even productivity has gone up.
Increasing wages most like to be for the rich people. Rich become rich. Poor become poor. Improving productivity only benefit the rich people. We are like a poor slave,working like a busy termites.
You aslo mention that the data may be inaccurate.You know we are poor people, too many FT is scary, we do not want to lose our job.
Somemore, Seeing so many FT news and FT scholorships poping up on newspapers is a Phobia!
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The last time I checked (2005-2006 data) our private sector wages have gone up, and so has our productivity. Still, this data may be inaccurate as it incorporates both wages earnt by FTs as well as Singaporeans. I'm not able to access SingStat yet since they're having system maintenance, but I'll do so when they go back up.
Suffice to say, our wages are NOT falling. While the apparent mindset may be that FTs are stealing our incomes, in reality this is not necessarily true in the macro viewpoint. At the end of the day, the wages you earn still depend on your output-per-unit-wage, so if we take effort to improve our productivity further, I'm sure I'll wages will follow.
bro, increase in productivity bytheory should have a increase in wages. but the data doesnt tell you whether it is across all industries or specific industries contributing more. it doesnt address the issue whether employers from SME will have that social responsibility to share profits with employees as they have the alternative to turn to FTs. with the uncontrollable of influx of FTs into it difinitely will set a salary ceiling on singaporean, maker hiring of oldering singaporean less attractive and making fellow bros in arm(NS men) feel 2.5 years spent protecting such FT are waste of our F*C*I#NG time. as i always say, probably we should review our NS policy too. all singaporean serving NS should be paid regular servicement salary. in that case, we serve the country which like to talk cents and yet we earn decent salary to save up for university education or any further studies. -
Singaporean Mothers are not easy to be.Work,housework and children. I will be worried when I am a mother next time. I rather don't bear children and not let my child suffer to compete with the FT like a termites.Originally posted by PointBlue:The last time I checked (2005-2006 data) our private sector wages have gone up, and so has our productivity. Still, this data may be inaccurate as it incorporates both wages earnt by FTs as well as Singaporeans. I'm not able to access SingStat yet since they're having system maintenance, but I'll do so when they go back up.
Suffice to say, our wages are NOT falling. While the apparent mindset may be that FTs are stealing our incomes, in reality this is not necessarily true in the macro viewpoint. At the end of the day, the wages you earn still depend on your output-per-unit-wage, so if we take effort to improve our productivity further, I'm sure I'll wages will follow. Stress.
I want my children to be happy like the 60s70s Kampong children,playing spiders, skipping, playing tit-tat-toe on the sand and singing.
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yes brings us back to the question: who benefited from higher worker productivity.
i would say its the rich capitalists, definetly not your day to day workers. they only get to enjoy thier fixed-and-ever depressing wages, which will only be depressed further once the Flood gates are open wider. the employers will justify it for cost competiton, ie they can hire an FT to replace singaporeans anytime. -
By theory, everyone should have benefitted from higher productivity. On workforce level, higher productivity will translate to higher wages, and hence higher mSoL. On producer level, cost advantages increases, hence they become more competitive and get higher profits in the long run. On society level, aggregate supply rises and hence the country gets potential growth. This is followed by a rise in demand due to income increases, thus there is real growth too.Originally posted by killstyle:yes brings us back to the question: who benefited from higher worker productivity.
i would say its the rich capitalists, definetly not your day to day workers. they only get to enjoy thier fixed-and-ever depressing wages, which will only be depressed further once the Flood gates are open wider. the employers will justify it for cost competiton, ie they can hire an FT to replace singaporeans anytime.
Yet, in Singapore, we do not observe such trends. The government seems to be biased towards the society and producer level by inviting FTs which have less demand for wages, so the immediate effect of a rise in domestic wages is not seen. So, you are right to say that the welfare goes to the rich capitalists, while compromising that of local Singaporeans.
The problem with FTs have been depicted many times in this thread already. FTs take higher pay than Singaporeans, are better valued, are easily supplied, and have other social advantages (eg no NS).
Still, in the NDP rally, PM pointed out that "FTs come to Singapore to create more jobs for us, so in fact they are not stealing jobs, but are further boosting our economy." The fallacy in this statement is that the FTs have no incentive to create more jobs for us, and even if they did, it would be largely profit motivated. There'd be transfers of welfare from the locals to the FTs, and if the FTs chose to leave Singapore, they'll take the cash and leave the dirt behind.
Thus, FTs can only work as an effective stopgap measure. To replace our gaps in the workforce, yes. But to permanently make FTs a part of Singapore to replace Singaporeans, 100% no. -
den why e fuck is pap voted in
u guys made a choice ,stop whining -
That's another issue altogether. How does 'no good alternative' sound like?Originally posted by Chelzea:den why e fuck is pap voted in u guys made a choice ,stop whining
ps. Not saying that WP or SDA are necessarily lousy, but there could be other reasons as to why they still can't make it politically yet. Like no opportunities for them to shine. (PAP's fault) -
for them to shine? u must be dreaming
what you want them to do with 2 hands and 2 legs tied? -
That's why I said they must be given an opportunity. "Tying up their limbs" isn't giving them an opportunity. Even so, we're digressing from the main topic already.Originally posted by killstyle:for them to shine? u must be dreaming
what you want them to do with 2 hands and 2 legs tied? -
Just have her deported for good.
Or get Mr Oh to go live in thailand with his wife -
aiya at least this thai marry a singaporean. she here to stay for sure.
i call it spouse migration.
nothing relate to FT. -
wait.
i dun understand.
how come this news can become gahmen bashing!? she isn't even a FT to start with.
i feel happy for them in fact, people family finally can have chance to live together. very bad meh? -
oh gibe me a homb, where the baffelos rom, where the cowboys work till their drop!!
where the dears and antelpoes play, where seldom is heard ano ther word
where the skies are not that cloudy any more~~~~
Home, home on the range~~~~~~~~~
Where the dears and the antelope plays~~~~
where seldom is heard ano ther word
And the skies are not that cloudy any more~~~~~~
How often at night when the heavens are bright~~~~
With the light from the gliteering stars
Have I stood there amazed and asked as I gazed
If their glory exceeds that of ours
Home, home on the range~~~~~~~~~
Where the dears and the antelope plays~~~~
where seldom is heard ano ther word
Where the air is so pure, the zebras are so free
The breezes so balmy and light
That I would not exchange my home on the range
For all of the cities are so bright~~~~~
Home, home on the range~~~~~~~~~
Where the dears and the antelope plays~~~~
where seldom is heard ano ther word
Oh, I love those wild flow'rs in this dear land of ours
The curlew, oh I love to hear scream
And I love the white rocks and the antelope flocks
where tom and lissie learn to flcok~~~
Home, home on the range~~~~~~~~~
Where the dears and the antelope plays~~~~
where seldom is heard ano ther word