I do not understand why we need more foreign talent
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If the trend continues in this way:
1) True born Singaporeans decline/decrease over the years. Maybe only the rich and elites can mass produce like a production factory by then.
2) Increase in number of Foreign workers (both talent or not).
True born Singaporean will felt short-changed and Singapore will never become a TRUE NATION, cos Singapore is just a hotel for ppl to move in and out. A country with less true born Singaporean, I wonder what is the impact? Pls do not compare with year 1965 when Singapore first declare independence, cos that is NO CHOICE & it is nation building period (i.e. lots of immigrants). Now that Singapore got 2nd & 3rd generations, who have national identity. Why short-change these 2nd & 3rd Singaporean? The gov could do more to differentiate them, so that true-born Singaporean does not felt short-changed (e.g. NS for locals, Jobs for FT) & FW contributes to our economy. This should be the win-win situation.
Main issue here is True-born Singaporeans felt short-changed. I think gov knows what are they & they should resolve it, else they may see more alarming results in NEXT ELECTION.
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I fully agree with your views.Originally posted by thinker:If the trend continues in this way:
1) True born Singaporeans decline/decrease over the years. Maybe only the rich and elites can mass produce like a production factory by then.
2) Increase in number of Foreign workers (both talent or not).
True born Singaporean will felt short-changed and Singapore will never become a TRUE NATION, cos Singapore is just a hotel for ppl to move in and out. A country with less true born Singaporean, I wonder what is the impact? Pls do not compare with year 1965 when Singapore first declare independence, cos that is NO CHOICE & it is nation building period (i.e. lots of immigrants). Now that Singapore got 2nd & 3rd generations, who have national identity. Why short-change these 2nd & 3rd Singaporean? The gov could do more to differentiate them, so that true-born Singaporean does not felt short-changed (e.g. NS for locals, Jobs for FT) & FW contributes to our economy. This should be the win-win situation.
Main issue here is True-born Singaporeans felt short-changed. I think gov knows what are they & they should resolve it, else they may see more alarming results in NEXT ELECTION.
They CANNOT think or assume that it's like back in 1965 when people are less educated, not globally mobile, naive and have little or no choice. Things have changed so much now, it's not as EASY as it was during LKY's period - circumstances have changed.
And short-changed the true-borns are indeed! And ALARMED the PAP will be in the next GE!!! -
please dont...dont make australia a mini spore...pls stay where u r..why u running away from ur own pplOriginally posted by antoh:go Aust
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Is our PM and his cabinet treating SG citizenship in the right manner? Or is he diluting the value of Singapore citizenship?
By making the criteria for citizen application so easy to obtain, one might almost be forgiven if people saw it as applying for membership into a country club instead of a country, where all one needs is loads of money.
We already have a substantial number of PRs working in Singapore. The current ease by which foreigners obtain or are offered PR-ship is already shocking. While i have no issue with the PRs who reside in SG for professional work and call this island home, i question the wisdom of offering citizenship so easily to foreign professionals without sufficient barriers to entry.
Additional criteria should be added to ensure not every Tom, Dick and Harry gets to carry the red passport.
And if professional foreign talent is what our PM really wants, then PR-ship should be more than sufficient for the cause. -
Originally posted by BillyBong:
If locals are in the opinion that having a baby is costly, they think that foreigners (the PR holders) wouldn't think so?? Unless of course, our gov suddenly decides to subsidise the costs of caring for and bringing up their baby?
Is our PM and his cabinet treating SG citizenship in the right manner? Or is he diluting the value of Singapore citizenship?
By making the criteria for citizen application so easy to obtain, one might almost be forgiven if people saw it as applying for membership into a [b]country club instead of a country, where all one needs is loads of money.
We already have a substantial number of PRs working in Singapore. The current ease by which foreigners obtain or are offered PR-ship is already shocking. While i have no issue with the PRs who reside in SG for professional work and call this island home, i question the wisdom of offering citizenship so easily to foreign professionals without sufficient barriers to entry.
Additional criteria should be added to ensure not every Tom, Dick and Harry gets to carry the red passport.
And if professional foreign talent is what our PM really wants, then PR-ship should be more than sufficient for the cause. [/b]
Forget about Professional or Specialists FTs; right now, we are saturated with all sorts of Low-life from China!! And these are robbing locals of ordinary jobs and adding more crime and vices to our society! -
i think they are trying to force us into cleaner jobsOriginally posted by seancannot:I really do not understand... in my industry there are too many FT ... as a result our pay has dropped because the FT are willing to take a lower pay and us local are competing with FT for jobs.... try to get a job now there are so many unemployed ....
In cetain sector it is true we are short of labour such as cleaner can you survive on a $650 permonth pay.... to wash toilet in SG...
I really dun understand now I have problem getting a job and they want to import more FT to compete with me...
Do you know in the industry now there are so much outsourcing and garment themselving are head freeze .... the garment want me to eat shit is it ...
I give 2.5 of my best year to the nation for $200 per month ... everyyear i give another 2 to 3 weeks ... I have to work extra hard before and after reservist to clear my bad log stay until 1 ,2 am in the morning ... I really dun understand FT do not have to go thru all these is it fair... during my reservist my boss blame me for not clearing my work before reservist get blast by customer for not attending to them ... $500 is all I get for prgressive ... the kind of recongnition garment give to me ...
I really dun understand !! really
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So nice to have more foreign talent...makes sg more competitive...makes peoplpe work harder..makes people worry more about work and studies....so nice
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u dare not to face the competition...
u can only survive in sg...
i think u r already a loser already...
good luck to ur future
regards,
play_n_playOriginally posted by foomwee88:
Do U and these FTs go through NS n Rs to know who we r now?
We r not mainland chinese or Taiwan Chinese, We r Sporeans!!! whose roots might be associated with china,India ,Malay and others.
U can call us overseas chinese and be proud of PRC etc 's achievements but we are one Spore chinese and not China chinese.
I m really feeling ashame of being overseas chinese when some of the Mainland chinese ppls I met in overseas,their behaviour is so rude and $ minded, I cant blame them for they are still developing but the way they act is disgusting and put a lot of stress and shame on not only them but me as well. -
The 'low life', as you term it, are those working away in industries where locals shun.Originally posted by ShutterBug:If locals are in the opinion that having a baby is costly, they think that foreigners (the PR holders) wouldn't think so?? Unless of course, our gov suddenly decides to subsidise the costs of caring for and bringing up their baby?
Forget about Professional or Specialists FTs; right now, we are saturated with all sorts of Low-life from China!! And these are robbing locals of ordinary jobs and adding more crime and vices to our society!
Does any local want to work in our shipyards? Or offshore oil platforms? How about the construction industry? wait...even our service industry is beginning to see an influx of 'low life'.
They are willing to do the jobs no one wants, ergo picking up the scraps left behind by our own people. They are most definitely NOT robbing locals of equal opportunities.
We created our own quagmire. We leave a vacuum of necessary jobs to be filled, and employers have no option other than to hire abroad. In such cases, FT is inevitable.
It is also unfair to accuse them of being responsible for the spike in crime; many of them are really here just to earn a living for themselves and their families. It's the screening process during recruitment that needs improvement. -
i wonder when will your position be replaced by 1 of those FTs that are swarming into SG. U may be confident to secure ur position but things do change. wait till that happens and we'll probably have the last laugh.Originally posted by play_n_play:
u dare not to face the competition...
u can only survive in sg...
i think u r already a loser already...
good luck to ur future
regards,
play_n_play
Challenge??? whats the use of a challenge here? If we as the 1st class citizenship holding a PINK IC having our jobs taken by some FTs leaving us jobless, its totally not worth it to take up this challenge. Its never a fair fight between FTs and locals. Just see how much our so called leaders are paying them to come to SG and how much our leaders pay us to stay in SG tells the whole conclusion.
You seem kinda suspicious pnp.
Are you an FT yourself?( farking rude china @ss ) or are you from 1 of the Men-In-White association?( pls eat more mee siam so that u know there nvr was any hum in it )
Or are u simply born with a silver spoon that u dun have to lift a finger to support yourself or ur family at all? ( farking spoilt brat who knows nuts other than spending all the family money)
Any middle class and below Sporeans will definately agree with what the treadstarter says.
Making an account to make 2 posts trying to tell us how FTs are good for SG doesnt really proves ur existance. -
we need foreign labourers to work at areas where we refused to do.
we need foreign talents only in areas where we do not have the necessary skills.
but what the govt are doing is importing FTs in areas where we are competent enough!!! that is not acceptable!!! -
Originally posted by play_n_play:
u dare not to face the competition...
u can only survive in sg...
i think u r already a loser already...
good luck to ur future
regards,
play_n_play
If u r really S'porean,u r the one who also make me feel shame like the china nationals' behaviour in overseas.
I do not dare 2 face the competition. fyi, i m now in Brunei to assist in some projects 4 sg. I m 50 yrs old oreli and doesnot care much after this year when i will retire.
I and my children can survive in sg n everywhere in the world as we wish.
From the way u express yrself, I m very worrying of the future of S'pore if u a S'porean, who regardless of the average S'porean living here just know how 2 play2. -
Foreign workers can have a positive impact on the economy and society. But I think the govt is too anxious to increase our population that it isn't exactly discerning its ft policy.
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But if you take a few large steps backwards, and you take a long look at the whole picture, wouldn't you wonder about the following:Originally posted by BillyBong:The 'low life', as you term it, are those working away in industries where locals shun.
Does any local want to work in our shipyards? Or offshore oil platforms? How about the construction industry? wait...even our service industry is beginning to see an influx of 'low life'.
They are willing to do the jobs no one wants, ergo picking up the scraps left behind by our own people. They are most definitely NOT robbing locals of equal opportunities.
We created our own quagmire. We leave a vacuum of necessary jobs to be filled, and employers have no option other than to hire abroad. In such cases, FT is inevitable.
It is also unfair to accuse them of being responsible for the spike in crime; many of them are really here just to earn a living for themselves and their families. It's the screening process during recruitment that needs improvement.
>> why cultivate a society of well educated people who aren't likely to take up these jobs? Besides, who in the right mind and a decent qualification would want to be a rubbish collector after almost a lifetime of studies and the money spent on education? But being a the OWNER of a garbage collection company is a different thing altogether.
>> Escalating costs of living is the main factor that people aren't taking up certain jobs, but now, with all the FTs in abundance, even high level position salaries are devalued by FTs - who the hell can support a family much less have a baby if one is expected to outperform and take a lower paycheck as FTs or even lower?
>> Maids are imported, why not let local aunties take the role? No levies to collect maybe?
>> Why do they say Medical and Health Care is affordable when most employers still shun old workers because of the need to provide medical benefits, and potential loss of man-hours due to health.
We shouldn't kid ourselves that the gov is taking care of our interests.. if so, most of the above scenarios would have been different. -
hello,
i really dun understand y u like to blame the china chinese...is it because they are holding china passport? let's say if they are holding US passport, or they are american born chinese and grab some of the jobs in sg, r u still blaming them?
sg is a relatively fair country to everyone. without any competition or chanllenge, the country cannot improve.
do u know y US can become NO.1 in the world just in 30-40 years? the main reason is, US gov is smart enough to bring in the FT (i agreed some are lousy) to help the enconomy of US.
u r already 50 plus. I felt a bit worried and surprised it seems you did not learn anything in ur life and just know blame n blame.
btw, the forbes 40 richest people in SG. around 1/3 to 1/2 of them were not born in SG.
lastly, just let u know. i am singaprean. i am now working in MNC and we have lots of different nationals working in the company. most of the FT are very good.
regards,
play_n_playOriginally posted by foomwee88:
If u r really S'porean,u r the one who also make me feel shame like the china nationals' behaviour in overseas.
I do not dare 2 face the competition. fyi, i m now in Brunei to assist in some projects 4 sg. I m 50 yrs old oreli and doesnot care much after this year when i will retire.
I and my children can survive in sg n everywhere in the world as we wish.
From the way u express yrself, I m very worrying of the future of S'pore if u a S'porean, who regardless of the average S'porean living here just know how 2 play2. -
Based on the way u expressed yrself make me thk u r not sporean!!!u r a foreigner!!! May i know which unit u r from in Spore ???Originally posted by play_n_play:
hello,
i really dun understand y u like to blame the china chinese...is it because they are holding china passport? let's say if they are holding US passport, or they are american born chinese and grab some of the jobs in sg, r u still blaming them?
sg is a relatively fair country to everyone. without any competition or chanllenge, the country cannot improve.
do u know y US can become NO.1 in the world just in 30-40 years? the main reason is, US gov is smart enough to bring in the FT (i agreed some are lousy) to help the enconomy of US.
u r already 50 plus. I felt a bit worried and surprised it seems you did not learn anything in ur life and just know blame n blame.
btw, the forbes 40 richest people in SG. around 1/3 to 1/2 of them were not born in SG.
lastly, just let u know. i am singaprean. i am now working in MNC and we have lots of different nationals working in the company. most of the FT are very good.
regards,
play_n_play
Did i blame? u r a little boy in my eye.my son is oreli a Doc!!
I m worrying of my next gen not u!!!
So wat! they r b $ ppls but i hve million$, we can go anywhere as We wish but not U!!!wishing all the best in this shti country!!!
Did I say u and the FTs are not good???wat we dont want are those flies who will kill S"pore ,understand???
Mind u ! we will not let u foreigners taking over our nation in time of crisis! in order 2 protect our next gen!! we may k all of u here??? -
If your education has given you the kind of skills employers want, why can't you find a job? Is it not because your skills are no longer relevant or FT have similar skills that they are willing to export at a lower price? Employers are not running charities. They are willing to pay more for a worker only if the employee can improve the bottomline more than a cheaper one.Originally posted by ShutterBug:>> why cultivate a society of well educated people who aren't likely to take up these jobs? Besides, who in the right mind and a decent qualification would want to be a rubbish collector after almost a lifetime of studies and the money spent on education? But being a the OWNER of a garbage collection company is a different thing altogether.
So you admit that FTs can outperform and accept lower pay than local Singaporeans. We have outpriced ourselves and unable to compete. On a global scale, with cheaper economies in abundance, Singapore's economic growth will be stunted by cheaper foreign economies if we do not have FTs to lower our costs and improve competitiveness. If foreign investments go to PRC instead of Singapore, we have more to lose.Originally posted by ShutterBug:>> Escalating costs of living is the main factor that people aren't taking up certain jobs, but now, with all the FTs in abundance, even high level position salaries are devalued by FTs - who the hell can support a family much less have a baby if one is expected to outperform and take a lower paycheck as FTs or even lower?
I have been saying that for ages and it is a good illustration of my point. The reason is that Singaporeans have become accustomed to the good life. How many British familes are able to afford a maid who lives with them and offer domestic services more than 12 hours a day without annual leave or weekends off? A significant number of Singaporean families have more than one maid!Originally posted by ShutterBug:>> Maids are imported, why not let local aunties take the role? No levies to collect maybe?
Singaporeans want cheap FTs as domestic maids. Why don't you try to ban foreign domestic maids? You will get a huge furore on your hands. It is near impossible to offer domestic services by Singaporean aunties if we insist on having maids that work all day and night without rest at only $300 a month. Do you expect our Singaporean aunties to be able to compete?
It's the same with other industries. Just as Singaporean employers want cheap domestic maids even though the service can be rendered by Singaporeans, so Singaporean employers also want cheap FT in their factories when Singaporean workers can do that job but at a higher price.
The big difference is that whilst factories that hire FT reduce costs and make Singapore more competitive, families that hire foreign domestic maids help to keep our Singaporean aunties unemployed.Originally posted by ShutterBug:
Healthcare is not the reason why employers shun older workers. We are not legally required to pay much for medical benefits anyway. The loss of man-hours is a consideration but the risk of that is actually higher with a young, recently married woman....older men do not take 2 months' maternity leave.
[b Why do they say Medical and Health Care is affordable when most employers still shun old workers because of the need to provide medical benefits, and potential loss of man-hours due to health.[/b]
As an ex-employer, I can tell you what puts employers off is rather the higher salaries they tend to demand on account of their experience and the work performance in strenuous jobs. We used to have old aunties to do the office cleaning and file stacking jobs, requring them to climb ladders and carry heavy loads. Many of them were not capable of these tasks. When we switched to young foreign workers in their early 20s, we could reduce the number of such staff by half and yet double their output. -
There you go ranting again and boasting about your doctor sonOriginally posted by foomwee88:By the way u expressed yrself make me thk u r no sporean!!!u r a foreigner!!! May i know which unit u r from in Spore ???
Did i blame? u r a little boy in my eye.my son is oreli a Doc!!
I m worrying of my next gen not u!!!
So wat! they r b $ but i hve million$, we can go anywhere We wish but not U!!!wishing all the best in this shti country!!!
Did I say u and the FTs are not good???wat we dont want are those flies who will kill S"pore ,understand???
Mind u ! we will not let u foreigners taking over our nation in time of crisis! in oreder 2 protect our next gen!! we may kill all of u here??? May I remind you that we also have plenty of foreign doctors in our health service..competition exists in every sector
So you have millions as well, or so you say...yen or rupees?
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Pls give me yr real name 2 know who U r??Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Healthcare is not the reason why employers shun older workers. We are not legally required to pay much for medical benefits anyway. The loss of man-hours is a consideration but the risk of that is actually higher with a young, recently married woman....older men do not take 2 months' maternity leave.
As an ex-employer, I can tell you what puts employers off is rather the higher salaries they tend to demand on account of their experience and the work performance in strenuous jobs. We used to have old aunties to do the office cleaning and file stacking jobs, requring them to climb ladders and carry heavy loads. Many of them were not capable of these tasks. When we switched to young foreign workers in their early 20s, we could reduce the number of such staff by half and yet double their output.
one day,sound like a cost engr,the other day sound like a Doc and the othe day sound like mee siam w/o kam??? -
I can give u my full name and my son name via pte massage.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:There you go ranting again and boasting about your doctor son May I remind you that we also have plenty of foreign doctors in our health service..competition exists in every sector
So you have millions as well, or so you say...yen or rupees?
Pls do likewise,orelse u r just a self prclaimed DOc ! F U!!!
I think u r just a pig in our mind!~!!@ -
There some says we are nt willing to take up low paid jobs so we cant blame anyone
but with the rising cost of livign in singapore,are the govt goign to be responsible to the citizen by reducing cost of living? -
NOBODY wants EVERYBODY to know he is SOMEBODY and keeps wanting to know who is SOMEBODY. But SOMEBODY does not want ANYBODY to know he is SOMEBODY.Originally posted by foomwee88:I can give u my full name and my son name via pte massage.
Pls do likewise,orelse u r just a self prclaimed DOc ! F U!!!
I think u r just a pig in our mind!~!!@
Do you understand, NOBODY?
Stop flaming and get back to the topic. -
tracing from the time u r online.We oreli know who u R????Originally posted by oxford mushroom:There you go ranting again and boasting about your doctor son May I remind you that we also have plenty of foreign doctors in our health service..competition exists in every sector
So you have millions as well, or so you say...yen or rupees?
Wat a stupid one!!!! -
Scrap the foreign maid sector.
Adopt the American model of bring your child to work and hire more au-pairs who can take care of kids part time, if you badly need help with your kids.
Parents abroad can bloody do it, I don't see why these mothers today bitch and whine like some helpless lady. -
that's provided SG employers support this ideaOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Scrap the foreign maid sector.
Adopt the American model of bring your child to work and hire more au-pairs who can take care of kids part time, if you badly need help with your kids.
Parents abroad can bloody do it, I don't see why these mothers today bitch and whine like some helpless lady.