Lethal force may be used against violent IMF protestors
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glad these are not bionic and M113, or it would turn out to be another Tiananmen.Originally posted by Manager433:Old Police Academy carpark ( parade square ) many police vehs standby liao. All latest riot trucks, vans, cars and buses.......
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To ensure further safety, they should set up barbed wire fences, MG nests, road spikes and Apache helicopters.
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It only shows that SG is a Fascist state, like 1930s Italy under Benito "Il Duce" Mussolini.
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So are the protests against IMF actions justified in your view?Originally posted by the Bear:in a nutshell...
the IMF and World Bank will loan a whole crate of money to countries... and impose a bunch of things on the countries.. the money is usually used by corrupt dictators or whatever to build useless monuments or something..
the country is in a mess and saddled with HEAVY debt...
the backers of the IMF (guess who?) comes in and imposes a whole lot of conditions because of the debts... things which allow those who are connected to the backers to come into the country and stripmine the resources... causing even more misery to the country...
the IMF and World Bank has never been "helping the poor nations".. it has always been "stripmining the poor"
in even more dastardly things, according to someone who has left the service of these people, if the leader of a country refuses to cooperate with the IMF, there are convenient "plane crashes"...
if you really want to know you may start by reading this book entitled "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man"
Someone should rake the dirt on IMF, a la UN's "oil for food" scandal in Iraq.
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The TV Ads are telling us to put on a smile when they are here.....LKY, you go smile at them yrself
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Rioters vs Police. Enjoy
Wah! Sibei Hiong leh!
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Will it become Tianannmen No2?
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Check out these new toys for the riot squad:
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"This is patently quite dangerous and irresponsible," says human-rights activist Steve Wright, who, as director of the Omega Foundation, works with Amnesty International to monitor nonlethal weapons. "What the U.S. invents today, others, including the torturing states, will deploy tomorrow."
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Even before they are here, I'm sure they will have been directed to sgForums to view the various opinions of our govnerment, and get a true feel of Singaporean's sentiments. -
The US has probably used it at Guantanamo...it's much better than a Chinese tankOriginally posted by LazerLordz:"This is patently quite dangerous and irresponsible," says human-rights activist Steve Wright, who, as director of the Omega Foundation, works with Amnesty International to monitor nonlethal weapons. "What the U.S. invents today, others, including the torturing states, will deploy tomorrow." -
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Says the Australian. How's your chum Howard's extortion of Timorese oil getting along?Originally posted by iveco:It only shows that SG is a Fascist state, like 1930s Italy under Benito "Il Duce" Mussolini. -
The gas chambers is a better option that wasting man-power~
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Well, Rammstein and nordic rock for hours on end, will make a person yell out whatever he is "conditioned" to do.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The US has probably used it at Guantanamo...it's much better than a Chinese tank -
Almost all organisations, even those with the noblest intentions, will become corrupt or lose their directions once they become too big and powerful.Originally posted by iveco:So are the protests against IMF actions justified in your view?
Someone should rake the dirt on IMF, a la UN's "oil for food" scandal in Iraq.
Anyway, IMF and WB aren't against the protests. It is the Singapore gov that is against those protests. -
Howard's not my chum. I'm with the Democrats.Originally posted by Typhoon:Says the Australian. How's your chum Howard's extortion of Timorese oil getting along? -
And guess what, we will become part of their problem/target eventually.Originally posted by pearlie27:Almost all organisations, even those with the noblest intentions, will become corrupt or lose their directions once they become too big and powerful.
Anyway, IMF and WB aren't against the protests. It is the Singapore gov that is against those protests.
These are not people you can manage through our plaything media. Whoever dismisses these people as small fry, is seriously deluded. -
Accredited NGO members banned from entering.
NGO conference in Batam stopped by Singapore.
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http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/060907/1/43ah7.html
Friday September 8, 8:06 AM
Singapore under fire as World Bank-IMF protest
Furious activists accused Singapore of leaning on Indonesia to ban a conference that was meant to coincide with World Bank-IMF annual meetings in the wealthy city-state.
Non-governmental organisations (NGOs) also alleged a blacklist against campaigners by Singapore, a day after senior officials at the Bank and International Monetary Fund issued their own letter of protest.
IMF external relations director Masood Ahmed and his Bank counterpart, Kevin Kellems, said Wednesday they were "very surprised and disappointed" by Singapore's decision to forbid entry to several NGO members.
"While we understand and agree that security at the meetings is of paramount importance, Singapore's authorities have not shared any information that would make us ... consider these individuals as potential threats," they said.
"Blocking entry of any of these individuals into the country, or into the annual meetings venue, would undermine engagement with civil society."
About 20 NGO members who were already accredited by the World Bank and IMF to attend the September 19-20 annual meetings have now been "blacklisted" without explanation, campaigners alleged.
The letter from the World Bank and IMF officials underscored that Singapore, as the host, had agreed to abide by the organisations' promises of access to NGO representatives.
But Sameer Dossani, executive director of the 50 Years is Enough Network, which campaigns for the "profound transformation" of the World Bank and IMF, said the Washington bodies should not be surprised.
"If the Bank is interested in accountability and preventing corruption, why are they holding their meetings in a police state that has openly said it plans to cane protestors?" he said.
Dossani's group was among signatories to a press release that accused Indonesia of revoking police permission for a gathering of NGOs that is traditionally held alongside the annual meetings.
They said that months of planning had gone into the "International People's Forum" (IPF), which would have drawn over 1,000 participants to the Indonesian island of Batam, a short ferry ride from Singapore.
Batam was chosen after Singaporean authorities made clear that the conference would not be welcome in Singapore itself.
"Everything was moving forward just fine until two weeks ago when we started making press statements, and the Singapore authorities immediately put pressure on the authorities in Batam to stop this (IPF) from happening," Dossani said.
The campaign groups noted that Batam's economy relies heavily on Singaporean tourists, while Singapore is a major investor in Indonesia itself.
Bank Information Center, which campaigns for "social justice" in countries where the World Bank and IMF do business, said Singapore's zero tolerance for dissent made a mockery of the annual meetings.
"The crackdown on civil society highlights the irony of the Bank's choice to hold its meetings in a place as repressive as Singapore while claiming to be a champion of good governance," said Center executive director Manish Bapna.
"As authorities are denying public rights to freedom of speech and assembly, the Bank is commending Singapore as the world's most business-friendly country," he said.
In an annual report this week, the World Bank said Singapore was the planet's easiest place to start and operate a business.
Singapore has mounted its biggest-ever security operation to secure the 16,000 delegates from more than 180 countries expected to attend this year's World Bank-IMF meetings.
Aubeck Kam, director of the Singapore Police Force operations department, vowed last week that his officers would "use all necessary means" to stop any violence. -
seriously, im not interested in those protesters then the delegates.
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it's one thing to ban protests here, it's just plain wrong to tell or insinuate other nations that they cannot allow protestors there.
Assuming that it is true, who the heck are we to tell them what to do. Typical SG mindset, full of hubris and arrogance. -
We complain about KL impinging on our sovereignity when they patrol close to Batu Putih (Horsburgh Lighthouse), yet we put ordered Jakarta not to let anti-globalisation protestors congregate on Bintan during the IMF meeting.Originally posted by LazerLordz:it's one thing to ban protests here, it's just plain wrong to tell or insinuate other nations that they cannot allow protestors there.
Assuming that it is true, who the heck are we to tell them what to do. Typical SG mindset, full of hubris and arrogance.
Wait, maybe it has to do with SG govt's investments in the Riau islands.
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There is absolutely no proof that Indonesia banned them at Singapore's bidding. Certainly Indonesia has denied any influence from Singapore. Why should they listen to this little red dot?Originally posted by LazerLordz:it's one thing to ban protests here, it's just plain wrong to tell or insinuate other nations that they cannot allow protestors there.
Assuming that it is true, who the heck are we to tell them what to do. Typical SG mindset, full of hubris and arrogance. -
As I said, assuming.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:There is absolutely no proof that Indonesia banned them at Singapore's bidding. Certainly Indonesia has denied any influence from Singapore. Why should they listen to this little red dot?
because where Singapore's foreign policy is concerned, I have seen many grey areas that are usually hard to perceive at first glance. Our national policy has never been one of open admission, but rather cryptic actions.
It is good most of the time, because we don't show our areas of weakness.
Still, regarding this, I would never rule it out, after all, we do have an economic stake in the stability of the Batam, Bintan, Riau growth triangle.
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Money talks baby.Originally posted by LazerLordz:As I said, assuming.
because where Singapore's foreign policy is concerned, I have seen many grey areas that are usually hard to perceive at first glance. Our national policy has never been one of open admission, but rather cryptic actions.
It is good most of the time, because we don't show our areas of weakness.
Still, regarding this, I would never rule it out, after all, we do have an economic stake in the stability of the Batam, Bintan, Riau growth triangle.
Money talks.