Woohoo!! PTC approves 1.7% fare increase for bus and trains!
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Kind of expected when Taxi fare goes up.
It just keeps going up. I wonder will there be a day when it comes down
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Economic growth does not mean that everyone gets a payrise my dear DEAR government, sorry this does not apply to you. Though u have been encouraging flexipay, u gladly forgot the part where companies prefer to keep cost low so it means faster cutting of wage and slower much much slower increase in wage.
It might seems to PTC that the aid is sufficient or even helpful to help ppl to cope. But have they forgotten that most chinese have a huge ego, how many are willing to admit they need help when the goings get tough. They will only ask for help when they see their fingers bleeding. Lets just ignore this small insignificant group of people which u deem negligible for a while and focus on the criteria for getting aids.
I am not familiar with the criteria but i believe that its the usual which means that family total monthly income must not exceed 1.5k rite? Yes those singles with income of 1.5 shld be able to just manage it but please do not forget those with a sick mother, bedridden siblings and with 3 or more child to feed. Around 2 months a ago the ST just mention about the relative deprive. An indian man earned 2k a month but he has a sickly mother who rack up a high medical fee whicheat up about 1/2 his pay. After paying off daily expenses his family is only able to eat meat on a Sunday. I believe his children is skinny enough to not need the daily excercise to build up a healthy lifestyle. Their parents are also wear out frm their work too.
I learnt from economics that one of the job of the government is to ensure that the income gap do not expand. Taxing on daily necessity is surely the most effective way to encourage income inequality isn't it? -
if you complain they will tell you the increase is only a few cents.
if you complain further they will get some idiotic singaporean to appear on tv and say a few cents increase is acceptable. -
that is why they need to increase their fare what.. so they got money to give BETTER serivce lor..Originally posted by nightzip:knn! 151 service so many broke down....
buses, sometimes TVmobile even don't work!!! this problem still haven clear yet!
Then some 151 buses, at night even never switch on the lights, like lights spoil also never change....old seats and cockroaches also never change and get rid off.... 
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Don't be surprised if that idiotic Singaporean says that 'It has been a long time since the fares last rose.'Originally posted by dragg:if you complain they will tell you the increase is only a few cents.
if you complain further they will get some idiotic singaporean to appear on tv and say a few cents increase is acceptable.
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LOL!
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sorry, this is supposed to be a standard reply from their template.Originally posted by fudgester:Don't be surprised if that idiotic Singaporean says that 'It has been a long time since the fares last rose.' 
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economy bad: pay cut + price hikes
economy good: pay same (or even pay cut due to competitiveness) + price hikes
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newton's theory of what goes up must come down is flawed..
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When the trains have reached full capacity, the only way they can make more profits is to increase price lor.
Simple mathematics. -
Next moment, you will be walking to work from east to west or north to south...
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Service of train and bus is not up the standard.
Yet they want to raise the price to improve the standard.
No sense.... -
Have faith in your government.Originally posted by Nigel009:Next moment, you will be walking to work from east to west or north to south...
They will provide you with bicycles.
And make sure that you pay ERP just like the rest of the vehicles. -
Standard: remain the same.Originally posted by Nigel009:Service of train and bus is not up the standard.
Yet they want to raise the price to improve the standard.
No sense....
Passenger capacity: very little change. Most of those who take public transport do so because they have no choice.
So therefore,
Rise in fares = increase in net profit.
So from a money-making point of view.... it DOES make sense. -
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Walking is the best of transport, if you are still young.
If you are old, please stay at home...
Too expensive to travel in the future... -
newton lied.Originally posted by stellazio:newton's theory of what goes up must come down is flawed.. -
yaypee! more Good Year Ahead!
thanks to the majority morons who vote for pap n those who spoilt their votes to give these assholes power. -
u have our moral support!Originally posted by Manager433:Anyone thinking of going to Suntec to protest about the fare increase?
back in the days singaporeans strike their way to independence...
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As sad as it seems, but fare increases will contiune no matter wat the people say those ppl are only interested in making money not about how we feel.
Face it, fare prices will keep increasing until the day we r dead! Then it will increase further only tat we will not know by then..... -
wah i haben recover from the previous fare rise leh...
n the resons they give are getting crappier... crap...
i have 2 wait 30 mins for any 1 of the 3 buses going 2 e interchange which onli a 20 min walk away... n they are, most of e time, packed. not forgetting the presence of roaches...
if garbmen wanna compare fare at least compare e service sandard 1st lah...
dunno wat reasoning... gd economy not=we citizens got more $$ ok? i no a level aso noe tis... garbmen dunno? aiyoh... tsk tsk.... -
there was a time that there were "representatives" from SBS, TIBS and SMRT on the PTC...
after the people kao peh kao bu about it, they got their asses kicked off the PTC...
but then and now, you guys see any difference?
no right? what does that tell you? -
strong mandate...
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WTF man and the frequency of train service is like less than in the past
I don't see any improvements in their service and all I see is higher prices
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The govt has been a whipping boy for many problems we Singaporeans face.
The above-stated might well be the position of the government namely costs are mostly beyond their controls and there exist many constraints in solving high-cost problem.
Putting things in perspective, are some of these things a little beyond their control?
Are costs in other relatively developed nations similarly high?
Are they also grappling with similar cost and social problems?
How much can this be alleviated by govt action?
Is it even realistic to expect that the govt can reduce costs dramatically over the long term?
Lower costs effectively means the price of almost everything goes down (including wages and real estate).
I have replied to most of the above-stated points in earlier posts.
I have also shown that in the case of HDB flat pricing, it is a matter of creative accounting that people are being made to pay the highest market values and yet were told HDB flat prices were subsidised.
So costs can be a matter of manipulation depending of how one presents the accounts.
We can only take all the cost figures given by SBS, SMRT, PS and HDBs with a big pinch of salt.
Moreover there is a practice of the policy to charge land prices acquired at dirt cheap prices with taxpayers' monies at the full market price on essential government and public services. This is the highest single contributing factor to our high cost problem as increased government costs reduce all business profits and purchasing power of citizens. The majority of the shopkeepers in HDB heartland simply could not survive with such high costs.
Take the recent NKF case for our discussions. Before the NKF court case with SPH, many patients have complained about the high costs of kidney dialysis as compared to similar treatments in Malaysia.
What did Minister Lim Hng Kiang reply in parliament? Did he not deny the problems in parliament and refuce to take action to address the real issues objectively by giving the same excuses ?
Now let us look at the situation after the public outcry and ensuing CPIB investigations. It is now found after there were malpractices and lack of accountability and scrutiny of the excessively high costs incurred on hyper salaries and bonuses of the executives and losses in dubious investments.
Conclusion is obvious from this case : costs are not beyond control and costs of dialysis treatment need not be high and could be reduced quite substantially given the will power and accountability to solve it.
Therefore the most serious problem is not that costs are beyond control but were the human problem - accountability and transparency without which highest pay would be called by leaders as peanuts and all issues were simply swept aside by bureaucratic denial by ministers and their officials.
Let us take a close look at the root causes closely and it will be found that they are mostly solvable but were denied due to human self-centredness and their habit to protect their past policies with denials and justifications and excuses are the worse problems.
The following should provide some solutions in a more in-depth manner to our Public Transport companies and ministries in regard to their high-cost problem up to now constantly denied by ministers and CEOs:-
Instead of waiting for more NKF outcry all of the ministries and departments and GLCs claiming high costs should first cut costs by upgrading their efficiency or competitiveness:-
(1) Simplify and standardise works in Follow-through lego-like work processes.
(2) Adopt simple manpower structure - max 3-tier for close-rein Objective supervision, Clear allocation of tasks, quality-time-cost control.(A lot of hyper-scale multi-tier executive cost could be reduced drastically or made redundant like in the private sector after the HDB/PSA retrenchment exercises if and once the above-stated process management structure is set up)
(3) Coordination and knowledge application.
(4) Effective Coomunication and feedbacks.
(5) Effective control, processes, measurement of performance, corrections.
(6) Objectivity and accountability in management.
(7) Clearly defined Filing, retrieving of records.
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Motivation of workers in knowledge application.
(9) Any effective Departmentalisation and delegation.
Will such process management is set up enterprise will be more efficient or competitive and all tasks re-assembled without laid out in cause-effect lego-like work processes with effective control,comparison, processing and corrections and empowering of staff to attain organizational efficiency and productivity.
Such process management will even lead to in-depth knowledge and technology application integrated to daily works on design, system, engineering, marketing, production and financial controls etc.
Clearly the solution to high cost problem is to cut cost by becoming efficient and competitive, and all tasks should be laid out to be easily understood and carried out by staff with minimal instruction instead of enforcements through thick volumes of standard operating procedures.
Surely there are now too much rhetoric and denials of problems as found in the NKF and HDB/PSA episodes.
Ministries should not rely on subjective look-good reporting, justifications or post-mortem, or amble along through a period of policy-based conceptual justifications or look-good presentations.
Therefore, before conducting an public fault management audit, it is critical to look at the overview of restructuring of enterprise cautiously and objectively as follows:-
(1) Set up tasks consisting of simple standardized work processes.
(2) Tasks should be easily understood and performed with minimal instructions or petty self-centred supervisions.
Try call centre process management to self-audit your organization structure and then decide whether you still need an management audit.