Get Real - on FT
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Just saw the show Get Real on the possibility of FT taking up citizenship by Diana Ser
I am absolutely shock that there is such great oppression in Singapore, FT nurses are paid higher than local nurses. Why is this so?
Of the three FT (nurse, teacher and IT professional) featured, all will eventually go back to their own country. They are using this place as a gold mine, no intention whatever to stay for long term.
Now we are a bunch of fools believing the the MIW will protect Singaporean interest. How naive and wrong I am. -
Nothing special though. Most will think tat way
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local nurses have the option of working overseas.
my friend's brother is currently working in ireland. in just a few years he saved more than 100k. -
On a sidenote i do hope we have more of FT nurses not onli from philipine, but maybe from japan or korea.
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The reason we have Foreign Talents and LHL is so keen on bringing in Foreign Talents is so that wages for SINGAPOREANS can remain exploitating low.
It is LHL telling you "Don't want to work for peanuts? We get FT to replace you at half to cost."
FT can work for half the cost because their savings will make them rich back home.
If Singaporeans' cost of living are 10 tmes more, then Singaporeans should be paid 10 times more than equivalent FT.
FTs come here and take our jobs and we are suppose to do a Zoe Tay - swallow
Next we must welcome them - they screw you and we say "Thank You."
Finally according to LHL logic, we must invite them into our homes and let them s*rew our spouses.
I think we are in urgent need for FT to replace the MIW. -
You want cheap healthcare? What do you expect? Without foreign nurses, healthcare costs will go up. Unless we make all our girls serve 2 years of NS as nurses in the hospitals
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now I wonder ...
if you live and work in a foreign country where the people so obviously don't want you there, resent you, think of you as some lower class being from some third world s.hit hole, and let you know it too, or (if you're white), to be some colonial neanderthal that goes around bonking the local women .....
would you stay and make that place home ? ...
FT/FW is a fact of life, anywhere in the world, it's up to us to make this less painful, to make the best of it, or you can whine and bitch and watch companies leave for lower wages overseas, and watch ghettos develop among the "foreigners", a forever "alien" part of our society ... -
No need to talk so much anymore....Originally posted by adven7:Just saw the show Get Real on the possibility of FT taking up citizenship by Diana Ser
I am absolutely shock that there is such great oppression in Singapore, FT nurses are paid higher than local nurses. Why is this so?
Of the three FT (nurse, teacher and IT professional) featured, all will eventually go back to their own country. They are using this place as a gold mine, no intention whatever to stay for long term.
Now we are a bunch of fools believing the the MIW will protect Singaporean interest. How naive and wrong I am.
everybody should work on reducing their vote-potential in next coming GE!! -
Aren't there already?..... MIW who are/were FTs?Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:The reason we have Foreign Talents and LHL is so keen on bringing in Foreign Talents is so that wages for SINGAPOREANS can remain exploitating low.
It is LHL telling you "Don't want to work for peanuts? We get FT to replace you at half to cost."
FT can work for half the cost because their savings will make them rich back home.
If Singaporeans' cost of living are 10 tmes more, then Singaporeans should be paid 10 times more than equivalent FT.
FTs come here and take our jobs and we are suppose to do a Zoe Tay - swallow
Next we must welcome them - they screw you and we say "Thank You."
Finally according to LHL logic, we must invite them into our homes and let them s*rew our spouses.
I think we are in urgent need for FT to replace the MIW. -
Worried about high costs driving companies overseas?
Let's see... how about lowering the costs? How about not increasing transport fares for one?
Nooooo.... cannot.... we must always chose that option that screws the working class... we must exploit the working class... we must take the options that benefit the rich.... -
your av mind running on all cylinders?Originally posted by kaka_22:On a sidenote i do hope we have more of FT nurses not onli from philipine, but maybe from japan or korea. -
ehh... I thought in other countries like Oz, Germany the local there also don't want Asian there.. even Gov welcome welcome.. still have a huge pool of ppl stay and make it home. maybe my mistake?Originally posted by Fatum:now I wonder ...
if you live and work in a foreign country where the people so obviously don't want you there, resent you, think of you as some lower class being from some third world s.hit hole, and let you know it too, or (if you're white), to be some colonial neanderthal that goes around bonking the local women .....
would you stay and make that place home ? ...
FT/FW is a fact of life, anywhere in the world, it's up to us to make this less painful, to make the best of it, or you can whine and bitch and watch companies leave for lower wages overseas, and watch ghettos develop among the "foreigners", a forever "alien" part of our society ... -
what's your point ? ...Originally posted by Wega007:ehh... I thought in other countries like Oz, Germany the local there also don't want Asian there.. even Gov welcome welcome.. still have a huge pool of ppl stay and make it home. maybe my mistake?
are you saying that FT/FWs will keep coming anyways regardless of how we discriminate against them ? ...
if that's the case, then all the more we should make the best out of it, eh ? ... or do you want them to become a forever segregated and alien part of our society ? different culture, different values, different ethic, different language, and different loyalties ? ... -
You are right. They will come. Look at the maids.Originally posted by Fatum:what's your point ? ...
are you saying that FT/FWs will keep coming anyways regardless of how we discriminate against them ? ...
if that's the case, then all the more we should make the best out of it, eh ? ... or do you want them to become a forever segregated and alien part of our society ? different culture, different values, different ethic, different language, and different loyalties ? ...
The issue is not the foreigners. The issue is the exploitations of Singapore working class.
The issue is offering jobs to Singaporeans with peanut salaries and when no Singaporean applied for the job, using that as justification for bringing in FT.
The FT will take up the jobs at that kind of peanuts pay simply because they expect to spend the money back home where the cost of living is pittance compared to that of Singapore. -
why do you think there are as many cases of maids abusing employer's children and old folks as maid abuse cases ? ... my theory ? ... cos when you pay peanuts, you get monkeys ... I actually met a fillipina lady who've worked as a maid in Singapore before, she told me the conditions were terrible, like she was in a prison, that Singaporeans were rude and seemed to have this disdain for fillipinos, she now works as an au pair in Canada, with an employer given vehicle to drive her charges around, wages more than 7 times her pay in Singapore, and she gets treated with dignity (that's fodder for another thread there too) ...Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:You are right. They will come. Look at the maids.
The issue is not the foreigners. The issue is the exploitations of Singapore working class.
The issue is offering jobs to Singaporeans with peanut salaries and when no Singaporean applied for the job, using that as justification for bringing in FT.
The FT will take up the jobs at that kind of peanuts pay simply because they expect to spend the money back home where the cost of living is pittance compared to that of Singapore.
yes, they'll keep coming, but what you'll get are not talents, but "talents" ... the truly wretched from third world shitholes that have nothing to lose ... do you think that's a good situation ? ...
as for your salaries observation, that's a shrewd one .... perhaps that's what happening right now, but hey, you know what, it's something that's happening all over the world too ... I just rejected a job offer in Canada, cos I got to know that I was being offered C$12000 a year less than a Canadian classmate of mine who got hired by the same company ... why would they take away jobs from Canadians in the first place ? ... cos they can get someone to do it cheaper of course ...
The Halcyon days of our boom years are over, no employer is going to pay some chap without much qualifications 5K a month in Singapore when they can hire 10 Master degree holders at the same price in China or India ... there are millions and millions of people who are hungry enough, who have never tasted the good life that we have, who are willing to accept a lot less ...
China graduated 25million people from her universities last year, and her economy had the capacity to only absorb 10% of them (statistic courtesy of the new york times, pay for the archive and search for it) ... that's several times more than the population of Singapore ! ... I sometimes wonder why companies would still invest in Singapore at all, given the abundance of cheap, skilled, and talented labour elsewhere ... perhaps the Singaporean worker still gives good value compared to many parts of the world ... salary levels are not set by the goverment, but dictated by market economics, you can bitch and whine and hold out for a higher salary, while watching jobs sail away to the yellow sea (or the indian ocean) ... or you can ride the wave ....
but say it's not about FTs but about FWs, fine ... maids and construction workers and road sweepers aside, FWs have traditionally been a part of our economy anyways ... look at our electronics industry, our manufacturing industry ... if not for the legions of Johoreans crossing the causeway every single day, where would we be ? ... would you rather a factory relocate to malaysia all together, or up the FW cap and let half the factory be staffed by FWs, but we Singaporeans would still get 50% of the jobs ? ... the cynics have been saying that, hey ! ... it's the goverment that benefits in taxes of course ...
... but think of my example again ....