World Bank criticizes Singapore; Sg breached an agreement
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Whoever said that having cucumbers in chicken rice is a problem in the first place? Everyone has different tastes.... you may find tht the cucumbers are a problem but the rest may find tht the cucumbers add flavours to the chicken rice....Originally posted by ditzy:But that'll be like running away from the problem, not highlighting and addressing it.
Well of course you have the right to highlight the "problem" (your own problem actually... doesnt represent a problem shared by all) to the stall owner, but the owner has a right to continue adding cucumbers to his chicken rice as long as the majority of his customers like cucumbers.... -
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What the....
how did friggin chicken rice get into this???
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I agree that SG is peaceful and safe.Originally posted by gr2012:My life in SG is peaceful and good enough, thanks. I have a flat to live in, a car to drive, a wonderful PC, a monthly salary. I can go to the movies anytime I want when I am free, and I can walk along the streets at night without fear of being mugged.
Regarding your flat and car, u took loans right? Would I be wrong to say that your liabilities exceed your assets? No thanks to costly cars and flats. I believe that if our govt wants to control the car population, there are many other ways. And not to mention HDB's initial aim to provide affordable housing. When u and spouse have fully paid HDB loan, would u guys have enough for retirement?
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that means we do the feedback forms for fun is it?Originally posted by freakass:Do your words carry so much authority such that others must listen to you? If I tell the chicken rice stall owner to add in some kimchi in his chicken rice, do you think he will do it? How will the other customers feel?
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Most people have such liabilities.Originally posted by Rock^Star:I agree that SG is peaceful and safe.
Regarding your flat and car, u took loans right? Would I be wrong to say that your liabilities exceed your assets? No thanks to costly cars and flats. I believe that if our govt wants to control the car population, there are many other ways. And not to mention HDB's initial aim to provide affordable housing. When u and spouse have fully paid HDB loan, would u guys have enough for retirement?
Sorry forumers for straying.
For me, I'd rather lease my apartment than buy one. It leaves my finances much more liquid. After all, you don't really own anything here, why get tied down for a semblance of ownership. -
i dont think IMF or world bank will ever hold the meeting in singapore again.
its like a slap in the govt face and their arrogance.
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Oh.. there are sure many other ways of controlling the car population... I can name one now...Originally posted by Rock^Star:I agree that SG is peaceful and safe.
Regarding your flat and car, u took loans right? Would I be wrong to say that your liabilities exceed your assets? No thanks to costly cars and flats. I believe that if our govt wants to control the car population, there are many other ways. And not to mention HDB's initial aim to provide affordable housing. When u and spouse have fully paid HDB loan, would u guys have enough for retirement?
Sorry forumers for straying.
Stop building new roads in Singapore... Let the price of cars become super affordable such that even the poorest of families can own a car for convenience... After that, let traffic jams rule all the roads in Singapore.... The carparks will also not be enough to house all the cars... Drivers start to park by the side of the road... this causes more traffic jams... Then one fine day, everyone realises that owning a car in singapore is not a good idea... so all of us tries to persuade one another not to buy cars anymore and go use the public transport....
Is this a good idea? How about the rest of you? Any better ideas? Rock^Star says there are many ideas ok.... How about you yourself, Rocky? Any ideas? -
Oh yah! One more idea! How about we conquer the whole of Asia? Then we won't have to worry about not having enough roads for our cars anymore!
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united country of ASEANOriginally posted by freakass:Oh yah! One more idea! How about we conquer the whole of Asia? Then we won't have to worry about not having enough roads for our cars anymore! -
I suggest that u stop embarassing urself.Originally posted by freakass:Oh.. there are sure many other ways of controlling the car population... I can name one now...
Stop building new roads in Singapore... Let the price of cars become super affordable such that even the poorest of families can own a car for convenience... After that, let traffic jams rule all the roads in Singapore.... The carparks will also not be enough to house all the cars... Drivers start to park by the side of the road... this causes more traffic jams... Then one fine day, everyone realises that owning a car in singapore is not a good idea... so all of us tries to persuade one another not to buy cars anymore and go use the public transport....
Is this a good idea? How about the rest of you? Any better ideas? Rock^Star says there are many ideas ok.... How about you yourself, Rocky? Any ideas?
One way to control the car population is to peg a lower amount of loan that a person may take, to his income. The current regulations are atrocious. $0 downpayment is crap.
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Hmm... but you mentioned before than cars in Singapore are far too costly... now you are saying that $0 downpayment is crap.... And so what if we increase the minimum downpayment? It still means that only the relatively rich can afford to buy cars... which is the same situation as now... you can't have the best of both worlds.... you want cars to be affordable and yet control the car population in Singapore?Originally posted by Rock^Star:I suggest that u stop embarassing urself.
One way to control the car population is to peg a lower amount of loan that a person may take, to his income. The current regulations are atrocious. $0 downpayment is crap.
Second way is to make a minimum downpayment eg 20-30% of car's value.
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I don't care if they don't hold their meetings here anymore, I just hope they will continue to scruntinize and criticize our gov's repressive policies towards Freedom of Speech and Assembly, Expression and Political Association!!!!Originally posted by reyes:i dont think IMF or world bank will ever hold the meeting in singapore again.
its like a slap in the govt face and their arrogance.
long live the political freedom.
Honour Our Constitutions!!!!!!
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i'm more for a united ASEAN Community, regionalism is the way to go.Originally posted by duotiga83:united country of ASEAN -
freakass...your chicken rice analogy is silly. Let me ask you this, your family wants to eat MacDonalds, but you wanna eat BK. lets say your family got 5 ppl. now 4 vs.1, will you go buy BK and sit in MacDonalds to eat? No right...simple logic,you may wish to go, but your family ad friends? Not to mention the bonds which you've established here over the years, how would you feel? Talk with some sense...i'm not an academic, but a really practical person. We grumble, complain in the HOPE that someday this will change. I dare say that I do not have brass ones the size of Chee Soon Juan's and will never dare to stand up like him. But hell, he just wants to get heard. For the govt. has publicly claim that we are transparent and stuff, doesn't it already reflect that things aren't as simple as they seem?
Yes, you may say that if you don't like it here, you may just pack up and you will gladly send us away, but LOOK THIS WAY. WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE HERE BECAUSE WE ARE BORN AND BRED HERE. Tell the foreign talent to defend our families and friends when the 1st round flies over our heads, tell the foreign talent to keep us save. Will they?NO! We stay because we've pledge allegiance to this state, and by state, I don't mean the government, but the country. Every single soverign inch of it. Many of us will be willing to bleed just so our flag remains red and our family and friends are safe. If the govt. choose to see people who are against them to be a threat, I suppose there's not much left in the SAF and SPF to defend what we have. The point I'll re-emphasied for your sake is this "Its not simply a choice of moving, but because we have real factors to think of, such as our friends, relatives and also will we be treated as 2nd class citizens if we move to else where?" A tree that has been uprooted may not necessary have a higher chance of survival then one which has been living in the arid desert despite the harsh conditions. Do think about this. -
Well said.Originally posted by SpecOps87:freakass...your chicken rice analogy is silly. Let me ask you this, your family wants to eat MacDonalds, but you wanna eat BK. lets say your family got 5 ppl. now 4 vs.1, will you go buy BK and sit in MacDonalds to eat? No right...simple logic,you may wish to go, but your family ad friends? Not to mention the bonds which you've established here over the years, how would you feel? Talk with some sense...i'm not an academic, but a really practical person. We grumble, complain in the HOPE that someday this will change. I dare say that I do not have brass ones the size of Chee Soon Juan's and will never dare to stand up like him. But hell, he just wants to get heard. For the govt. has publicly claim that we are transparent and stuff, doesn't it already reflect that things aren't as simple as they seem?
Yes, you may say that if you don't like it here, you may just pack up and you will gladly send us away, but LOOK THIS WAY. WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE HERE BECAUSE WE ARE BORN AND BRED HERE. Tell the foreign talent to defend our families and friends when the 1st round flies over our heads, tell the foreign talent to keep us save. Will they?NO! We stay because we've pledge allegiance to this state, and by state, I don't mean the government, but the country. Every single soverign inch of it. Many of us will be willing to bleed just so our flag remains red and our family and friends are safe. If the govt. choose to see people who are against them to be a threat, I suppose there's not much left in the SAF and SPF to defend what we have. The point I'll re-emphasied for your sake is this "Its not simply a choice of moving, but because we have real factors to think of, such as our friends, relatives and also will we be treated as 2nd class citizens if we move to else where?" A tree that has been uprooted may not necessary have a higher chance of survival then one which has been living in the arid desert despite the harsh conditions. Do think about this. -
people cannot change stores just as they like. if you think in terms of a patrons, your analogy can apply to FT. they can have chicken rice, but when they get sated of swallowing too much cucumber, they can springboard to other stores serving fish n chips and western food. for employees working in the chicken rice store, if they suffer from low salary and high debts to pay, they have no choice but to stick with the existing ruthless and tyranical boss. and don't forget, they built the store and are entitled to a stake in the chicken rice business. unless the employees can come together to think of ways to make life more livable, what else can they do? you see, not many are as garang as harry lee; as he was trained by the israeli army, and not bookish scholars who wear coke bottle glasses. so he drives taxi and moonlight to ferry prostitutes in the hope to get more money and go perth. many cannot lah.Originally posted by freakass:It's the same... If you don't like your chicken rice to come with cucumber, then eat at another chicken rice stall tht sells chicken rice without cucumber.. However, if you choose to stick to the current chicken rice stall, then just eat quietly and leave the cucumbers aside....
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Ok, lets wait for the famous "We should move forward..." or "We should move on.." phrase from you know who...
Perhaps he may not even show up on TV over such a face-losing matter.. perhaps push WKS out to smile arrogantly and say the same.. -
But reading from papers around the world, I believe they're going to face the fallout effects of their actions, in the months ahead.
They sure have paved their path to International PR with crap....
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This open publication of our harsh anti-progress and high-handed domestic control on its own local population disallowing demonstrations and protests of any kind is the strongest message being sent around the world.
It will undo all the millions spent by EDB/TDB and promotion activities in the middleeast and all other parts of the world to promote Singapore as financial, and business centres.
Only those who are compelled by circumstances like the quitters and wash-outs of some kind may take up our offers to be our PRs. Those who are truly the talents like the objective researchers and scientists will shudder at our government's unfair and inequitable attitude towards its own people and shunt us.
At the end, to be competitive, we need to be open and objective and we have to define our criteria to the rest of the world and bring about the universal conditions for foreign talents to attract them to come here and sink their root here.
With the latest fiasco, it seems to me that while talking about system and change, and giving excuses about stability and security, MM Lee does not quite keep up to his own wordsabout ensuring future of Singapore in his latest talk to IMF/WB judging by his actions.
Citizens and IMF/WB are the true change agents who will have to ponder over how to get a country like this to change - converting self-professed do-gooders and self-centred zealots to true leaders serving the people for progress sake. -
I feel that the authorities responsible for barring entry of those activists, SHOULD offer to compensate them for the costs of air tickets to & from Singapore.
That's IF our authorities are as courteous and graceful as they wanted us, the people of Singapore to be.
Please WALK your TALKS, not just TKSS! -
hainanese chicken rice... yummy! can't get enuff of it..Originally posted by freakass: -
Originally posted by freakass:
Freakass, The Government - u mean the Lee dynasty which is true..they brought us from fishing village to a modern city. But it is not going to bring us to the global world class city where citizens can have free thoughts and expression. This kills innovations and creativity, make us forever like kid and puppy.
I have a question for the forumers who are so against the Singapore government....
[b]WILL YOU GUYS JUST PACK UP AND LEAVE SINGAPORE? SINGAPORE HAS BECOME WHAT IS TODAY BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT... THOSE WHO LIKE WHAT IT IS TODAY ARE MORE THAN WELCOMED TO STAY... BUT THOSE WHO DON'T, PLEASE LEAVE ASAP... WE WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND YOU GUYS OFF AT THE AIRPORT AND FLY A BANNER THAT READS "GOOD RIDDANCE!"
**In life, you do have many choices.. And once you have made up your mind, please live with it... It's just like eating in a food court... You feel hungry and you bought a plate of chicken rice... You feel that it taste really horrible... so what can you do? You can simply choose to eat some other stuffs from other stalls! YOU DO NOT KEEP ON EATING CHICKEN RICE FROM THAT STALL, FILL UP YOUR STOMACH, AND THEN TURN AROUND TO CRITICIZE THE STALL OWNER TIME AFTER TIME AGAIN.... Afterall, you made the choice to eat from the chicken rice stall... Others may find it nice, but if you don't, please please please eat elsewhere...** [/b]
Critising the Govenrment action doesn't mean us unloyal to our homeland ..vice versa...supporting everything w/o thinking doesn't make anyone pro-PAP citizen. Try living in an opposition ward. Maybe Singapore shud get rid of all those who had been so enchanted with obliging with policies..all the "YES" man (citizens & politicans alike) in order to bred a new generation of Singaporean. -
Actually...now that the SAF wants to go 3G, and they need thinking soldiers, the SPF also hopping on 3G bandwagon, its pretty natural for us to want to think. Why does the Govt. wanna be at the pinnacle of technology, and be 3G when they aren't letting us the citizens be 3G which consists of a thinking citizen who are given the opportunity to think and make decisions themselves without having the need to seek approval and get permits from the Govt.