Pope's need more God's Guidance?
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The controvercial opinion is not even the Pope's own oionion.He quoted someone's opinion. Muslims should refute that remark if they feel offended.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Pope has made a stupid mistake.
And religions (any and all religions), should be FORGIVING and TRULY compassionate.
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Christianity was NEVER the original religion of Europe. Before the Roman emperors forced baptism on their subjects, Wicca held sway over the European continent.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The Pope is known to hold anti-Islamic views and this recent statement is not surprising. He has opposed the entry of Turkey into the EU on the grounds that it is an Islamic nation. He alluded to the wars of the Ottoman empire against Christian Byzantine Europe on that occasion:
"In a widely cited interview in Le Figaro last year, then Cardinal Ratzinger made clear his view on the hotly contested political debate "over allowing Turkey into the European Union," reports IslamOnline. He was opposed to Ankara joining the EU "on the grounds that it is a Muslim nation."
The cardinal publicly cautioned Europe against admitting Islamic Turkey and wrote to bishops the reason for his stand:
The roots that have formed Europe, that have permitted the formation of this continent, are those of Christianity. Turkey has always represented another continent, in permanent contrast with Europe. There were the [old Ottoman Empire] wars against the Byzantine Empire, the fall of Constantinople, the Balkan wars, and the threat against Vienna and Austria. It would be an error to equate the two continents...Turkey is founded upon Islam...Thus the entry of Turkey into the EU would be anti-historical."
(http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0422/dailyUpdate.html)
Obviously the Pope has completely forgotten the massacres committed in the name of his church against the Muslims during the crusades and is silent on the ongoing oppression of the Palestinian Muslims today.
The Zionists who rule over Israel today are an ungrateful lot. They seem to have forgotten that the Muslims gave their forefathers shelter when they fled persecution in Europe. -
If you repeat a defamatory remark about someone, you are equally guilty of defamation.Originally posted by PRP:The controvercial opinion is not even the Pope's own oionion.He quoted someone's opinion. Muslims should refute that remark if they feel offended.
If it were just this one occasion, he might well get by with it. The fact is, he had previously objected to the entry of Turkey into the EU on the grounds that Europe must remain Christian. Taken together, it reflects his anti-Islamic sentiments.
That being said, he has apologized twice over this and perhaps it is time for Muslims to demonstrate mercy and magnanimity, qualities which are becoming of their religion. -
Pope, should have known the reputation of Muslim - they must be regarded or refered to with much caution and care.
Like pitbulls, once they bite you - they do not let go. -
HOLY FATHER "SORRY" FOR REACTIONS TO HIS REGENSBURG TALK
He(Benedict XVI) then went on: "At this time, I wish also to add that I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims. These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought.
---VATICAN CITY, SEP 17, 2006 (VIS)
"Yesterday, the Cardinal Secretary of State published a statement in this regard in which he explained the true meaning of my words. I hope that this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the true meaning of my address, which in its totality was and is an invitation to frank and sincere dialogue, with great mutual respect."
2.the Cardinal Secretary of State published a statement"Quite the contrary, what emerges clearly from the Holy Father's discourses is a warning, addressed to Western culture, to avoid 'the contempt for God and the cynicism that considers mockery of the sacred to be an exercise of freedom.' A just consideration of the religious dimension is, in fact, an essential premise for fruitful dialogue with the great cultures and religions of the world. And indeed, in concluding his address in Regensburg, Benedict XVI affirmed how 'the world's profoundly religious cultures see this exclusion of the divine from the universality of reason as an attack on their most profound convictions. A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures.'
----VATICAN CITY, SEP 15, 2006 (VIS)
"What is clear then, is the Holy Father's desire to cultivate an attitude of respect and dialogue towards other religions and cultures, including, of course, Islam."
3.Let the storm be rested.Lets forgive and forget.
Pope says he was 'misunderstood'Wednesday, 20 September 2006,
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I think we all need God's guidance in lives. Period.
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Is what the pope quoted is a defamatory remark?We want to hear an explanation from Muslims and not just demands for apology.Is the quote right or wrong?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If you repeat a defamatory remark about someone, you are equally guilty of defamation.
If it were just this one occasion, he might well get by with it. The fact is, he had previously objected to the entry of Turkey into the EU on the grounds that Europe must remain Christian. Taken together, it reflects his anti-Islamic sentiments.
That being said, he has apologized twice over this and perhaps it is time for Muslims to demonstrate mercy and magnanimity, qualities which are becoming of their religion. -
personally i feel the question is not whether the pope's statement is personal or quoted, but rather the motive behind the statement in the first place. the pope, and intelligent man, surrounded by equally intellectual people within the vatican obviously know beforehand that, no matter if the statement was intentional or quoted, would cause uproar and resentment throughout the muslim world. therefore what was he trying to achieve with it? with the end of the israel incursions into lebanon and palestine, and relatively ceasefire among that region, there might be a link... i dunno...
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Matt,
Certainly the pope didn't expect Muslims would react to his speech in such manner.If he did,surely he would consider whether he should utter that quote. -
Ex cathedra, In matters of faith and morals. Tsk, you should know better.Originally posted by NT2:i thot the Pope is infallible?