What happened to the youths in Singapore?
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Originally posted by JZ21:
except that in Singapore, people 'delete' by 'themselves' out of fear and ignorance. Only CSJ dares to chellenge them to delete him... and they failed... so he called their bluff with his courage.
Yeah!
dun u find tat s'pore system is kinda like e matrix?
anything tat doesn't belong gets [b]'deleted' by 'agents'
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I wonder if SMU students who are supposed to be different are any different? Their campus is just nearby to Dr Chee; I wonder if they organised anything?
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Dr. Michael Kau, President of TFD and Dr. Chee Soon Juan, Chairman of ARDA
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Singaporeans want to bet on the winning horse. If the likes of CSJ is all that the Opposition can offer, why should anyone support them?
It would be quite different if someone like Tommy Koh were to join the Opposition. If he were to join as a WP candidate, even I would seriously consider voting for him. -
Unfortunately, like those foreign talents recruited, who worked for the sake of their interests and money (?) - did Tommy Koh also submitted to his own interests ?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Singaporeans want to bet on the winning horse. If the likes of CSJ is all that the Opposition can offer, why should anyone support them?
It would be quite different if someone like Tommy Koh were to join the Opposition. If he were to join as a WP candidate, even I would seriously consider voting for him.
Tommy Koh had written a master piece of research into Singapore Parliamentary procedures and legisltations, and had found that many of the Laws that were legislated had been passed without due process.
There were flaws in the system which were exposed in his dissertation, and his talent was recognised to be as versatile and challenging to the Elite as that of David Marshall, and whose service was best made of in the interest of Singapore on the international stage, then to be risked being an intelligent dissident in Singapore.
David Marshall's views of Singapore is recognised to be one of the most honest views than anyone in Singapore can have.
Can there be anyone having a more honest and disinterestedd opinion of Singapore, after being an Opposition Leader, an ex-Chief Minister, and accepting an invitation - from his arch-rival in LKY - to represent Singapore's interests as an Ambassador to France ?
Extracted from an interview with David Marshall
by Dharmendra Yadav
In my time, I tried to educate our people in an understanding of the dignity of human life and their right as fellow human beings, and youth was not only interested but excited about what I consider things that matter. Things of the spirit; the development of a human being to his true potential in accordance with his own personal genius in the context of equal rights of others.
Today, youth is interested in getting paper qualification and, as soon as possible, shoveling gold into their bank accounts. ItÂ’s a different world, even the law.
I am a consultant here [Drew & Napier]. When I left in ’78, there were three partners – it was supposed to be a big firm; two assistants – we were a big firm; 17 staff. This office has four floors. They think that it is a waste of time to use the lift so we have an internal staircase. We have more than 90 lawyers, more than 200 secretaries and I don’t know how many staff.
The law is no longer a vocation, it is a business. Everything is geared to business!
Of course, there is this pragmatic development of our country. Ah, our rising expectations of a pragmatic character! It is a fantastic and almost a miraculous development in my lifetime.
When I was Chief Minister, there were men dying of starvation and because of ‘beri-beri’. I took my PA [personal assistant] and an Inspector of Police for night at midnight. For two hours, we toured Singapore and we estimated there were two ten thousand men sleeping on the pavements. No homes.
Today - no unemployment, no homeless. I started this business of building homes for our people. Compare the puny work I achieved and the fantastic HDB homes that are available today for our people. I am deeply impressed and I take off my hat to this very able honest government. Dedicated!
But I am seen as a critic and I am a critic.
I am frankly terrified by this massive control of the mass media, the press, the radio, television, antennae, [and] public meetings. You canÂ’t write a letter to the Straits Times; if there is a shadow of criticism, itÂ’s not published. And the Chinese press follows suit. ItÂ’s a very dangerous position because experience proves that no one group of human beings has got all the wisdom in the world.
I meanÂ… well, two of you are Chinese and one Indian [Ed: actually, the interviewers were one Chinese, one Jew and one Indian]. I donÂ’t know much about Indian history but look at China. You had Confucian authoritarianism for more than 2500 years. What happened to China? She was a fossil. She had to reinvigorate herself with the Western ideology of communism. Another authoritarian ideology! And what was the result?
There must have been a million decent people who were transformed into vipers, vicious obscene vipers. IÂ’m afraid of this control of the mass media.
And are youths the miasma of apathetic subservience to authority? But you say to yourselves, “Well, you know, what do we seek in life? We seek a rice bowl, full!”
It is full and overflowing, in fact. They serve you your rice in a jade bowl with golden chopsticks; not that it makes much difference to the taste of the rice. But youÂ’re empty!
YouÂ’ve got technocratic skills and you are seeking more but internally you are empty. Money is your acid test of success.
IÂ’ve got nothing against money. IÂ’d like to have money myself! IÂ’d like to have a house and a garden and dogs and a car and a chauffeur but, look, IÂ’ve got a flat. IÂ’ve got a swimming pool attached to the flat. IÂ’ve not even got a car but I use taxis. I have a dignified way of life without being wealthy.
I donÂ’t see the necessity of owning a Mercedes-Benz and a swimming pool and a couple of mistresses. I think weÂ’ve got our values all wrong.
You know $96,000 a month for a Prime Minister and $60,000 a month for a minister. What the hell do you do with all that money? You canÂ’t eat it! What do you do with it? Your children donÂ’t need all that money.
My children have had the best of education. In fact, IÂ’m very proud of them. One of them is a senior registrar to two major hospitals in Oxford. Another of them is a consultant in European law to the Securities and Investment Board in the United Kingdom. TheyÂ’ve had their education. There are no complaints.
I never earned $60,000 a month or $90,000 a month. When I was Chief Minister, I earned $8,000 a month. Look, what is happening today is we are encouraged to and are becoming worshippers of the Golden Calf.
We have lost sight of the joy and excitement of public service, helping our fellow men. The joy and excitement of seeking and understanding of the joy of the miracle of the living the duty and the grandeur. We have lost taste for heroic action in the service of our people.
We have become good bourgeois seeking comfort, security. ItÂ’s like seeking a crystal coffin and being fed by intravenous injections through pipes in the crystal coffin; crystal coffins stuck with certificates of your pragmatic abilities.
What has changed?
The self-confidence of our people has grown immensely, and that is good to see. Our pragmatic abilities have grown magnificently, and that is good to see. Very good to see!
You are very able. YouÂ’re ambitious, and the government has heroic plans for the future. It hasnÂ’t finished.
I take off my hat to the pragmatic ability of our government but there is no soul in our conduct. It is a difficult thing to speak of because it is difficult to put in a computer, and the youth of Singapore is accustomed to computer fault. There is no longer the intellectual ferment, the passionate argument for a better civilisation. The emphasis on the rice bowl!
Tell me IÂ’m wrong, come on.
For further reading click on David Marshall's views
Can you appreciate honest talent when you see it before you; or being a technocrat, will you only mechanically perform the tasks assigned - suppressing any inclination towards humanity ? -
Francis Seow was President of the Law Society and what happened to him when he joined the opposition?
Even Ong Teng Cheong, who did not join the opposition but merely spoke up for the Nation in his capacity as President of Singapore and what happened to him?
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Well Said!Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:Francis Seow was President of the Law Society and what happened to him when he joined the opposition?
Even Ong Teng Cheong, who did not join the opposition but merely spoke up for the Nation in his capacity as President of Singapore and what happened to him?
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Never impressed with Francis Seow...Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:Francis Seow was President of the Law Society and what happened to him when he joined the opposition?
Even Ong Teng Cheong, who did not join the opposition but merely spoke up for the Nation in his capacity as President of Singapore and what happened to him?
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Talent? What talent is there among the present batch of Opposition Party members? The opposition parties have been plagued by mediocrity since David Marshall left politics.Originally posted by Atobe:[/color]
Can you appreciate honest talent when you see it before you; or being a technocrat, will you only mechanically perform the tasks assigned - suppressing any inclination towards humanity ? -
The depth of your brain washing is so deep it is scary... did you sign a contract with the devils?
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Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
Is your attitude not similar to the arrogant and condescending attitude of LKY towards all his political opponents - whether Malaysian, Singaporeans, or those in the international community ?
Talent? What talent is there among the present batch of Opposition Party members? The opposition parties have been plagued by mediocrity since David Marshall left politics.
Did LKY recognised David Marshall for his talent, or did LKY treat him with disdain for his political acumen ?
It was almost twenty years later, after LKY defeated David Marshall in 1957 that David Marshall was sought by LKY to be Singapore's Ambassador to France; and in all probability to move him away from being involve with the Singapore Political Scene that was being roused by JBJ.
Can he see anyone to be more talented than himself or that of his own
'creation' ?
Even those whom he has risen to power with all marginalised at the age of fifty to sixty years - with simple reasoning of a process of renewal - while he stay on for another twenty years ?
For the sake of some semblance of 'political normalcy', others were left with the task to spot 'talents' for the sake of political succession.
Had it not been for those who are humbler and modest in the characters of Sim Kee Boon and Hon Sui Sen will the talents of GCT or OTC be discovered ?
It is arrogance and conceit that blind oneself from the talents of others.
What can become of a society that is devoid of multitude of talents, and in which talents are - ( [url=[i]'in the words of David Marshall' ) - 'Money is your acid test of success' ?
It was only when Singapore has run out of ideas to sustain its economic drive in the late 1990s, that attention was turned towards the other types of talents marginalised by the superior thinking of the self-acclaimed Elites.
Forty-five years of erroneous public policy tinkering, and if you can learn from past mistakes, you will find redemption for yourself. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
BRAVO!! BRAVO!!
Is your attitude not similar to the arrogant and condescending attitude of LKY towards all his political opponents - whether Malaysian, Singaporeans, or those in the international community ?
Did LKY recognised David Marshall for his talent, or did LKY treat him with disdain for his political acumen ?
It was almost twenty years later, after LKY defeated David Marshall in 1957 that David Marshall was sought by LKY to be Singapore's Ambassador to France; and in all probability to move him away from being involve with the Singapore Political Scene that was being roused by JBJ.
Can he see anyone to be more talented than himself or that of his own
'creation' ?
Even those whom he has risen to power with all marginalised at the age of fifty to sixty years - with simple reasoning of a process of renewal - while he stay on for another twenty years ?
For the sake of some semblance of 'political normalcy', others were left with the task to spot 'talents' for the sake of political succession.
Had it not been for those who are humbler and modest in the characters of Sim Kee Boon and Hon Sui Sen will the talents of GCT or OTC be discovered ?
It is arrogance and conceit that blind oneself from the talents of others.
What can become of a society that is devoid of multitude of talents, and in which talents are - ( [url=[i]'in the words of David Marshall' ) - [b]'Money is your acid test of success' ?
It was only when Singapore has run out of ideas to sustain its economic drive in the late 1990s, that attention was turned towards the other types of talents marginalised by the superior thinking of the self-acclaimed Elites.
Forty-five years of erroneous public policy tinkering, and if you can learn from past mistakes, you will find redemption for yourself.
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Hail Ye Leader of POLITICS Forum, Atobe!!!
I should frame this article up!! -
arrogance? oops...the truth hurts...boo hoo hoo...Originally posted by Atobe:Is your attitude not similar to the arrogant and condescending attitude of LKY towards all his political opponents - whether Malaysian, Singaporeans, or those in the international community ?
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Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
The truth seldom negatively affect the innocent. Why get excited ?
arrogance? oops...the truth hurts...boo hoo hoo... 
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The Newspaper headlines today was exciting, suggesting that maybe LHL wants to engage the youths.
He could have wanted them to learn and understand Democracy and to stand up to protect the pillars that support democracy....
What a disappointment... he just wanted the youths to become better coolies exploited by LKY and Sons Private Unlimited...