This is Police Intimidation; are we World Class Yet??
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and neither are we.Originally posted by foxtrout8:perhaps u must know that imf and wb are not clean organisation themselves. neither are the activist.
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exactly!Originally posted by LazerLordz:and neither are we.
Politics amplifies the agenda each group has.
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Originally posted by foxtrout8:perhaps u must know that imf and wb are not clean organisation themselves. neither are the activist.
I can't say I know whether the World Bank and IMF are clean or not; but if they are that dirty, how is is that they welcome dissent and respect the activists and do not suppress them?
If PAP is so clean why SO SCARED OF CHEE SOON JUAN?
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onceinabluemoon, the IMF are paying lip service to the NGOs too, because if you have followed the scene closely, you would notice that after every meeting ,there is no progress and the number of NGOs grow because of this.
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Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:
my friend, cool down. i never say pap is clean.
If PAP is so clean why SO SCARED OF CHEE SOON JUAN?
on a contrary, does it mean that a government whom is more tolerant to demostrations more clean? is the bush administration clean for example? -
ok so nobody is clean, so everybody let everybody else express themselves honorably and do not try to stop them with threat of lethal force.
So it all boils down to who is more honorable; who is a big bully; who is scumbag... -
Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:
why they welcome dissent and respect them? because imf and wb have nothing to lose my friend!
how is is that they welcome dissent and respect the activists and do not suppress them?
the security issues caused by some demostrators are not of imf and wb business but that of the security agencies and their host. furthermore, wb and imf have no obligation to meet the concern of those activist. more often, those men in suits make their decisions in secued rooms while those activist shout their lungs out with policemen having to clear the big mess. -
Then why sign the memorandum with deceit in mind? If they signed to allow then allow. Warn the protesters that if they turn violent they will be dealt with.Originally posted by foxtrout8:why they welcome dissent and respect them? because imf and wb have nothing to lose my friend!
the security issues caused by some demostrators are not of imf and wb business but that of the security agencies and their host. furthermore, wb and imf have no obligation to meet the concern of those activist. more often, those men in suits make their decisions in secued rooms while those activist shout their lungs out with policemen having to clear the big mess.
If they think Singapore police cannot do the job, then don't sign. Don't be dishonorable and bring the reputation of Singapore and Singaporeans down the sewers.
They have been dealing with mindless sheep so long, they think that the rest of the world are mindless sheep. -
i will not talk abt how honourable, how much a bully and a scumbag our government is. i bet u have superior knowledge on that.Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:So it all boils down to who is more honorable; who is a big bully; who is scumbag...
but perhaps u must know how honourable imf/wb is in their ever-conditionalist approach to helping dyingly poor countries, with many examples of failures leading to the collaspe of countries and there goes their population. scumbags?
perhaps u must know how destructive can certain activist be with million of dollars worth of properties lost in every single violent demostration. how many them they preach peace in their demostration and how many times it turned violent? bully? -
Millions of properties destroyed with bare hands?Originally posted by foxtrout8:i will not talk abt how honourable, how much a bully and a scumbag our government is. i bet u have superior knowledge on that.
but perhaps u must know how honourable imf/wb is in their ever-conditionalist approach to helping dyingly poor countries, with many examples of failures leading to the collaspe of countries and there goes their population. scumbags?
perhaps u must know how destructive can certain activist be with million of dollars worth of properties lost in every single violent demostration. how many them they preach peace in their demostration and how many times it turned violent? bully?
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GOOD JOKE
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i tend to think that govt policies do not bring the reputation of singapore (the island by large) and most importantly, singaporeans down.Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:Don't be dishonorable and bring the reputation of Singapore and Singaporeans down the sewers.
the matter abt deportation and bannings is a matter abt the reputation of the governemtn. the foreign media never fail to point that out.
the success of the conference at large. the hospitality, the warmness of the guides, the beauty of the visit around the island, the efficiency in most aspect of things is a matter abt the reputation of singapore and her people.
singapore a disneyland with death penalty is an opinion of singapore (the disneyland) and the policy of it's government (the death penalty). perhaps there is a line.
for example, the policy of China CCP as an issue is different from the beauty and the economical viability of china and the productivity and hardworkiness of it's people. do u link ur chinese friends to the ccp? -
Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:
have u seen videos of past demostrations?
Millions of properties destroyed with bare hands?
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but then again if everybody is broad and open, who in the right mind would wan to go protests and riot? if you do things with a hidden agenda , someday it will just fall thru one way or another
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Make Singaporeans look like fools in the eyes of the world... as it is, you must never say you are Singaporean in Suzhou or they have have no qualms to scam you... after all, the managed to scam the heros of Singaporeans... LKY GCT and LHL... to three who made the decision to invest in Suzhou... Singaporeans living in wells have no idea...Originally posted by foxtrout8:i tend to think that govt policies do not bring the reputation of singapore and singaporeans down.
the matter abt deportation and bannings is a matter abt the reputation of the governemtn. the foreign media never fail to point that out.
the success of the conference at large. the hospitality, the warmness of the guides, the beauty of the visit around the island, the efficiency in most aspect of things is a matter abt the reputation of singapore and her people.
singapore a disneyland with death penalty is an opinion of singapore (the disneyland) and the policy of it's government (the death penalty). perhaps there is a line. -
Just tell me how they can do it with their bare hands and if PAP do not think that Singapore police can handle the job why sign the momorandum with deceit in mind? They are so used to dealing with mindless sheep that is all.Originally posted by foxtrout8:have u seen videos of past demostrations? -
u know nothing abt violent riots do u?Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:Just tell me how they can do it with their bare hands -
Just explain how they can do it with bare hands and forced to protest in a four by eight (or something like that) meters area? You know what a stun gun is?Originally posted by foxtrout8:u know nothing abt violent riots do u? -
and u think if with that sort of emotion sparked they will restrict themselve to the 'something like that' area with no back up in mind?Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:Just explain how they can do it with bare hands and forced to protest in a four by eight (or something like that) meters area? You know what a stun gun is?perhaps u must know how destructive can certain activist be with million of dollars worth of properties lost in every single violent demostration. how many them they preach peace in their demostration and how many times it turned violent? bully?
i think u misunderstood mi, im not talking abt credited ngos in particular onli. im talking abt activist by large. -
27 human beings....? pssst... fantastic four are also cartoon characters... anyway, your assumptions that they will be violent is just propaganda.... you are jumping to conclusions based on a well brain washed kiasu mentality...Originally posted by foxtrout8:and u think if with that sort of emotion sparked they will restrict themselve to the 'something like that' area with no back up in mind? -
so as long as i disagree with u i am well brain washed?Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:you are jumping to conclusions based on a well brain washed kiasu mentality... -
then what is the basis of your speculation that there will be violence? Especially violence that would have led to damage to millions of dollars worth or properties?Originally posted by foxtrout8:so as long as i disagree with u i am well brain washed?
Anyway there is no need to argue, they had been allowed in... we shall see... even your heroes the scumbags have backed down and realised that their deceit had been exposed... the kind of crap they had been selling to mindless sheep had been chellenged... we shall see... no need to speculate anymore. -
i said u misunderstood my post. i refer to activist being scumbags themselves when they damage millions of dollars of properties. i never refer to which activist in particular. u assumed that i was refering to the 27 ngo which i am not. readOriginally posted by onceinabluemoon:then what is the basis of your speculation that there will be violence? Especially violence that will be lead to damage to millions of dollars worth or properties?
Anyway there is no need to argue, they had been allowed in... we shall see... even your heroes the scumbags have backed down and realised that their deceit had been exposed... the kind of crap the had selling to mindless sheep had been chellenged... we shall see... no need to speculate anymore.perhaps u must know how destructive can certain activist be with million of dollars worth of properties lost in every single violent demostration. how many them they preach peace in their demostration and how many times it turned violent? bully?
(i was talking abt three groups of people, 1)government of singapore, 2)wb/imf 3)activist)
most importantly, never did i say the government is my hero infact i do support ur claim that they are dirty if u will to read carefully. u assume things again.
i suggest u cool down. me too alright.
good day my friend. for a better singapore, lets work on. -
Okie dokie
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I feel so sorry for CSJ.......in my opinion, he will get the sympathy of the international media (as usual) but he will evoke the ire of many Singaporeans. Young people of our generation can empathise with him but not our parent's.
Majority of S'pore's baby boomers are extremely grateful to LKY and will never understand what democracy is. They probably choose not to.
CSJ is a political martyr who was born in an untimely era. There will be criticism from the international press but these are the very people who stand in awe of our good governance (ie if there is). Our govt has shown that they do not bow to foreign pressure (though the recent row over the entry of activists was a slap in Xiao Lee's face).
At the end of the meet, watch out for our local papers hailing the convention as a RESOUNDING success. (sighz......one-sided brainwashing of the people again) -
Why not try convincing us to vote for CSJ the next election? Than doing all the jackass act... He can change in the paliment.... Doing these clown act doesn't even earn my sympathy.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Singapore politician-police standoff continues
Sebastian Tong
Reuters
17 Sep 06
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1375212006
A downtown stand-off between Singapore police and an opposition politician over the right to hold a protest march entered its second day on Sunday, after the overnight encirclement of Chee Soon Juan and several supporters.
Chee, who heads the tiny Singapore Democratic Party, had planned to hold a rally in a city park on Saturday, followed by a protest march to parliament past the convention centre where thousands of financial big shots, bankers and journalists are attending the IMF-World Bank meetings.
But Chee, his sister Chee Siok Chin, and five supporters, were never allowed to leave the park. About 30 police formed human barricades around the Chees, at times linking arms and pressing in close to them to prevent their movement.
"They are physically preventing us from walking to the parliament. But they won't arrest me," Chee said. "We need to send a message to be firm, to continue to insist on freedom of speech."
Chee had wanted to protest about the city-state's restrictions on freedom of speech and its widening income gap. Under Singapore law, public gatherings of more than four people require a police permit.
Throughout the night, changing shifts of police kept guard over Chee and his sister on a corner of Hong Lim park, close to Singapore's Speakers' Corner.
Supporters brought the Chees and the other activists food and water, and the pair slept briefly on the pavement. Puzzled passers-by, among them party-goers on their way home, the odd cyclist and early-morning joggers, stopped to stare or chat.
Area Cordoned Off
British tourist Christopher Osborn, 27, who saw the stand-off as he walked by on Saturday, decided to stay the entire night.
"I'm astounded by the police preventing the legitimate movement of people. The manner in which they are implementing it would be classified as intimidation. There's a disproportionate reaction and it shows another side to Singapore," he said.
While U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and other Group of Seven finance ministers and central bankers discussed the Chinese yuan at the convention centre on Saturday, the Singapore police were busy interviewing those people who had gathered at the park to find out who they were and why they were there.
About 200 people, including media, had gathered for the rally.
Police with video cameras filmed Chee, his supporters and journalists present for several hours. Several plainclothes policemen and women mingled among the reporters and supporters.
"Police are at the scene and are engaging Chee Soon Juan and his associates. We advise them not to commit any offence or pose a threat to public order," a police spokeswoman said on Saturday.
Soon after Chee arrived at the park with his supporters on Saturday morning, police cordoned off the area. Speaking through loudhailers, they told the crowd of supporters and journalists not to participate in the protest march as this would be breaking the law.
As Chee Siok Chin tried to walk to a nearby public toilet, police stopped her. Only after much argument was she allowed to use a bathroom -- in the nearby police station.
Chee, an acerbic critic of the government, has had several run-ins with Singapore's leaders. On Tuesday, the High Court ruled that Chee and his sister had defamed Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and his father, Lee Kuan Yew. No damages have been announced yet.