Singapore a peaceful country? Will it last?
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I can see there are more and more voices shouted in a rather hooligan ways... For example like the CSJ at Hong Lim Park... It will probably spread like spark and fire... soon there might be more and more... and imagine 10 CSJ... let even just say 5.... What will Singapore become? Like the 60s? CSJ stop acting like an angel and distroy our beautiful, peaceful country... DON"T YOU JUST GET IT WHY YOUR PARTY GET SO LITTLE VOTE??? SINGAPOREAN DON"T LIKE YOU!!! Are you happy when Singapore will be like USA? so much social problems?
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I sincerely hope this isn't the voice of the average Singaporean.
And no, I wasn't referring to CSJ. -
Banzie has obviously not heard of times where silence is much more threatening and eerie.
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Hey your method of posting and tone sounds like mine.Originally posted by fudgester:I sincerely hope this isn't the voice of the average Singaporean.
And no, I wasn't referring to CSJ.
Grrr.
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Apparently it is, since his party lost the election quite badly.Originally posted by fudgester:I sincerely hope this isn't the voice of the average Singaporean.
And no, I wasn't referring to CSJ. -
YOu be surprised I supported the opposition too... but not.... CSJ sorry... I think he is a clown... learn from the hammer please...
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2 is difficult enough, 10 CSJ?
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hammer shld bring their troops n join themOriginally posted by banzie:YOu be surprised I supported the opposition too... but not.... CSJ sorry... I think he is a clown... learn from the hammer please...
1 chopstick break easily
10 chopstick wont
need to have a leader like Genghis khan n we can bind all the ppl together as 1! -
imo, we did not really have the chance to see the `real' CSJ.
he was supressed from early on and it's circumstances that forced him to act the way he did in the last few years.
if he's not put on a short leash, forced into a corner, will be see a more constructive CSJ that can actually contribute to SG? We will never know.
there are also so many fallacies that we sometimes are led to believe as truth:
1. I can't help but think the majority of us are brainwashed to think that `opposition' = trouble = riot = instability. I dun even know where to start on this one.....
2. having an opposition meant less time for the gahmen to do `real' work for its people. history has proven that countries that operate in a dictatorship, in whatever form, are the ones that's mired in chaos and stunted development.
3. if you are not a white supporter, you're the enemy. again, nothing is all white or black. it's not as stark as one tries to make it out to be. in the end, the interest lies in singapore, protecting this motherland that is home. -
Wrong, the opposite is true. Fragmented power = more inefficiency. Singapore political system is so effective that any decisions can be quickly discussed and decided into law in parliament, with the media helping to spread it to the people. Very efficient, seriously it is one of the best asset of Singapore.Originally posted by weiqimun:2. having an opposition meant less time for the gahmen to do `real' work for its people. history has proven that countries that operate in a dictatorship, in whatever form, are the ones that's mired in chaos and stunted development.
In other countries, the debate and process take so long, when the law is finally passed, the condition change already. For instance a fiscal incentive package will be so late that it can actually cause inflation when introduced.
You have to recognize the Singapore political system and its present condition is actually very desirable. Dictatorship? I dont think this word carry justice. Perhaps I should say, benevolent dictatorship, for the lack of better word. -
Said it many many times;Originally posted by banzie:I can see there are more and more voices shouted in a rather hooligan ways... For example like the CSJ at Hong Lim Park... It will probably spread like spark and fire... soon there might be more and more... and imagine 10 CSJ... let even just say 5.... What will Singapore become? Like the 60s? CSJ stop acting like an angel and distroy our beautiful, peaceful country... DON"T YOU JUST GET IT WHY YOUR PARTY GET SO LITTLE VOTE??? SINGAPOREAN DON"T LIKE YOU!!! Are you happy when Singapore will be like USA? so much social problems?
NOTHING in this world, is FOREVER.
NOTHING can last. -
Originally posted by #$%^&*:
desirable to you maybe, if the word dictatorship isn;t the right word, i dun know what is...? benevolent dictatorship? never heard of it
Wrong, the opposite is true. Fragmented power = more inefficiency. Singapore political system is so effective that any decisions can be quickly discussed and decided into law in parliament, with the media helping to spread it to the people. Very efficient, seriously it is one of the best asset of Singapore.
[b]Any discussions can be quickly discussed and decided into law...dicussed among who? among the people? or among the elites circle themselves? same for the media? who do they stand for and what do they stand for in s'pore? best asserts of singapore gahmen u mean
In other countries, the debate and process take so long, when the law is finally passed, the condition change already. For instance a fiscal incentive package will be so late that it can actually cause inflation when introduced.
debates taking long doesn;t always necessarily mean a bad thing, it means there are more transparencies and considerations taking place and being noted. and causing inflation when introduced..? well that depends on what the bill is and if it really did caused an inflation it only shows the inefficiencies of the nicompoops in the gahmen in the first place.
You have to recognize the Singapore political system and its present condition is actually very desirable. Dictatorship? I dont think this word carry justice. Perhaps I should say, benevolent dictatorship, for the lack of better word. [/b]
you have your opinions and i have the right to mine
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CSJ will become like Harban Singh...a joke, comic relief for local politics...he's not the problem...
PAP would be worried if someone like Tommy Koh joins the Opposition. CSJ? That's not a problem... -
that fellow is kept around to make the people always think opposition is a joke.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:CSJ will become like Harban Singh...a joke, comic relief for local politics...he's not the problem...
PAP would be worried if someone like Tommy Koh joins the Opposition. CSJ? That's not a problem...
its a political move.
peace in singapore? or is it just festering anger -
If 5 csj is able to ignite what hapened in the 60s, then there is an obvious problem with the current system. afterall it would take a miracle effort to motivate the current mentality of bo-chap style of s'poreans to join in the rally that amounts to that of the 60s.Originally posted by banzie:I can see there are more and more voices shouted in a rather hooligan ways... For example like the CSJ at Hong Lim Park... It will probably spread like spark and fire... soon there might be more and more... and imagine 10 CSJ... let even just say 5.... What will Singapore become? Like the 60s? CSJ stop acting like an angel and distroy our beautiful, peaceful country... DON"T YOU JUST GET IT WHY YOUR PARTY GET SO LITTLE VOTE??? SINGAPOREAN DON"T LIKE YOU!!! Are you happy when Singapore will be like USA? so much social problems?
Dun u think? -
There will be more Tommy Kohs.
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JBOriginally posted by banzie:YOu be surprised I supported the opposition too... but not.... CSJ sorry... I think he is a clown... learn from the hammer please... -
if we do the Total Defence thingy
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Yes you are right... I strongly agree... CSJ is the spy of the pap his there to destroy everything...Originally posted by oxford mushroom:CSJ will become like Harban Singh...a joke, comic relief for local politics...he's not the problem...
PAP would be worried if someone like Tommy Koh joins the Opposition. CSJ? That's not a problem... -
It takes alot of things to provoke people into an unrest... I guess majority of Singaporean bo chup because they are satisfied with their life... If 50% of the people are jobless... you'll see a different Singapore.Originally posted by 4getmenot:If 5 csj is able to ignite what hapened in the 60s, then there is an obvious problem with the current system. afterall it would take a miracle effort to motivate the current mentality of bo-chap style of s'poreans to join in the rally that amounts to that of the 60s.
Dun u think? -
I believe if our gov keeps letting these PRC FW/FTs come here and use our country and job-market as a springboard or stepping stone to other larger western countries like USA, a 50% jobless locals is not too far away.Originally posted by banzie:It takes alot of things to provoke people into an unrest... I guess majority of Singaporean bo chup because they are satisfied with their life... If 50% of the people are jobless... you'll see a different Singapore.
Just look at what the local interview progarm "Get Real" got in reply from various foreign people who are working here and are PR holders; "...no my roots are still in my own country, I'll leave once I've learn enough and saved enough...", "I prefer going home... more freedom and space...", "I plan to go to USA after gaining experience here...", etc etc...
WHY THE HELL, is our gov dipriving locals jobs they could have had to FT/FWs who are using us as a springboard???
I say our gov is making a lot from levees - that's friggin why!!! -
No, CSJ will not be like Harban Singh, he will probably be like JBJ or Dr Lee Siew Choh - the unappreciated honest voice for Singaporeans.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:CSJ will become like Harban Singh...a joke, comic relief for local politics...he's not the problem...
PAP would be worried if someone like Tommy Koh joins the Opposition. CSJ? That's not a problem...
It has always been the problem that each generation will never accept those from its own generation, and only on passing then will one realise that an opportunity was missed.
LKY dismissed Dr Lee Siew Choh's objections for Singapore to join the federation of Malaysia, and pushed through a 1962 referendum that was cleverly designed with no option but to achieve his own design to join Malaysia.
What could be the reason for LKY venom towards oshua Benjamin Jeyaretnam ?
Should one not give respect to JBJ who was an eminent judge in the Singapore District Court (1952-1957); served with Attorney Generals' Chamber (1957-1961); served as The Registrar Of Singapore Supreme Court, District Judge and Head of Subordinate Judiciary (1961-1963); and becoming a very senior lawyer in private practice (1964-2000) ?
After about forty years of aggravated persecution and ignominous abuses by LKY, is it not odd that LHL should suddently praise JBJ for his loyalty and dedication to Singapore ?
Forty years can change the official view to the colors of one's character - from black to white.
Will it take anothe forty years before offical views towards CSJ will also change for the better ? -
Very likely Atobe... very likely so...Originally posted by Atobe:No, CSJ will not be like Harban Singh, he will probably be like JBJ or Dr Lee Siew Choh - the unappreciated honest voice for Singaporeans.
It has always been the problem that each generation will never accept those from its own generation, and only on passing then will one realise that an opportunity was missed.
LKY dismissed Dr Lee Siew Choh's objections for Singapore to join the federation of Malaysia, and pushed through a 1962 referendum that was cleverly designed with no option but to achieve his own design to join Malaysia.
What could be the reason for LKY venom towards oshua Benjamin Jeyaretnam ?
Should one not give respect to JBJ who was an eminent judge in the Singapore District Court (1952-1957); served with Attorney Generals' Chamber (1957-1961); served as The Registrar Of Singapore Supreme Court, District Judge and Head of Subordinate Judiciary (1961-1963); and becoming a very senior lawyer in private practice (1964-2000) ?
After about forty years of aggravated persecution and ignominous abuses by LKY, is it not odd that LHL should suddently praise JBJ for his loyalty and dedication to Singapore ?
Forty years can change the official view to the colors of one's character - from black to white.
Will it take anothe forty years before offical views towards CSJ will also change for the better ?
Similar to the effects of General Local Anesthesia.. effects of numbness of minds can last very long...that's because they're hacking away at your brain. -
Will Singaporeans 40 years on become morons?Originally posted by Atobe:Will it take anothe forty years before offical views towards CSJ will also change for the better ?[/color]
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do we need 40 yrs?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Will Singaporeans 40 years on become morons?