Outsourcing of traffic police work ? ...
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Road taxes were reduced when ERP was introduced. But in the end, how much you pay in total depends on where you drive. If you work in town....woah, then good luck to you.Originally posted by Fatum:wait a minute ... you're actually paying less now ? ...
hmmmmm ..........
anyone in the same shoes too ? ...
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bro, the government does not know the meaning of public transport here. Everything is profit-driven.Originally posted by Fatum:profits ! ...
there is something seriously wrong when our public transportation and roads systems are driven by profits ! .... -
If it's not profit driven either, I dun think in the world would 1 really want to provide eitherOriginally posted by LazerLordz:bro, the government does not know the meaning of public transport here. Everything is profit-driven.
But seriously, better productivity in bus or train svs usually leads to better margins -
yep. it's sad really.Originally posted by LazerLordz:bro, the government does not know the meaning of public transport here. Everything is profit-driven.
today's ST wrote that each year SBS and SMRT collected more than $1.1billion in fare revenue alone ! excludes advertisements, rental of retail space, etc. . boggles the mind. and yet we see fares going up and up every year.
what's the PTC for ? to ensure hefty bottomlines ? -
$1.1b, it's $3m a dayOriginally posted by Elodan:yep. it's sad really.
today's ST wrote that each year SBS and SMRT collected more than $1.1billion in fare revenue alone ! excludes advertisements, rental of retail space, etc. . boggles the mind. and yet we see fares going up and up every year.
what's the PTC for ? to ensure hefty bottomlines ?
bo tau bo wei, high revenue might not mean better profits
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Outsourcing is good.
Leaves the traffic police more time to do more important jobs like cordoning off suntec city for future IMF conventions. -
because it's in the mindset that everything must run a profit.Originally posted by sbst275:If it's not profit driven either, I dun think in the world would 1 really want to provide either
But seriously, better productivity in bus or train svs usually leads to better margins
Municipal services, by their very name, mean a social cost to the state. And we are talking about part susbidy, not full payment by the state.
They need to revolutionise their attitudes. -
Britian ended up privatising the public buses in the 1980's by using franchise system, whereby operators bid for the rt and are 'paid' for the serviceOriginally posted by LazerLordz:because it's in the mindset that everything must run a profit.
Municipal services, by their very name, mean a social cost to the state. And we are talking about part susbidy, not full payment by the state.
They need to revolutionise their attitudes.
That's the only way we can go... -
If you run for the post of Minister of Transport, I will vote for you.Originally posted by sbst275:Britian ended up privatising the public buses in the 1980's by using franchise system, whereby operators bid for the rt and are 'paid' for the service
That's the only way we can go...
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Seriously, if I had my way every buses would use double decks unless due to physical constraintOriginally posted by charlize:If you run for the post of Minister of Transport, I will vote for you.
Really.
And having a independent bus service network away from the MRT
Bus - MRT - Bus transfrer simply adds to the cost of living in the long run -
Hmm. That is a possibility. I'm not supportive of full subsidy, but public transport has to have some govt co-payment or else the profit motive will go full swing with lesser buses running every day and higher fares because of the unique duopolistic situation our two GLC bus firms are in.Originally posted by sbst275:Britian ended up privatising the public buses in the 1980's by using franchise system, whereby operators bid for the rt and are 'paid' for the service
That's the only way we can go... -
It's either franchise or 1 operator takes all...Originally posted by LazerLordz:Hmm. That is a possibility. I'm not supportive of full subsidy, but public transport has to have some govt co-payment or else the profit motive will go full swing with lesser buses running every day and higher fares because of the unique duopolistic situation our two GLC bus firms are in. -
ah ah ! ... margins ! ... that dirty word again ...Originally posted by sbst275:If it's not profit driven either, I dun think in the world would 1 really want to provide either
But seriously, better productivity in bus or train svs usually leads to better margins
we should all burn this into our minds: that public transports are a public service ! ...
yes, private companies are more efficient, but a line has to be drawn somewhere ... New York's MTA is NOT a private profit driven organization, London's TFL depends on the goverment and the public sector for funding ... while we have to spin off and privatise SMRT, which has managed to show profits while at the same time steadily upping ticket costs ....
COE, ERP and what not were designed to ease traffic congestions, but along with that came an explosion of taxi services, Singapore has one of the highest taxi densities in the world, something that I suppose anyone with eyes can see for themselves ... so we're in effect replace private vehicular traffic with another sort of traffic, but are taxis easier to get ? ... the only effect was to depress taxi-drivers' income all around I suppose ...
and now we have private traffic wardens prowling the streets ...
perhaps some straight A scholars somewhere would earn brownie points for every such schemes they come up with ... but is it "progress" ? ... I'm not sure ... -
Ever wonder what the CEO of a public transport company does everyday?
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Fatum, scholars live for brownie points, happily munching their Oreos while seeing their "profit-making" ventures ripen and show happy faces.
But they sadly lack peripheral vision..too much Oreos give you a lack of agility to move around the comfort zone.. -
I'm pretty sure he doesn't go around taking buses or trains, sit beside us and ask if we're enjoying the ride.Originally posted by charlize:Ever wonder what the CEO of a public transport company does everyday?
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He should do that.Originally posted by ditzy:I'm pretty sure he doesn't go around taking buses or trains, sit beside us and ask if we're enjoying the ride.
Let someone squeeze his tush when he is standing among the peak period crowd at Raffles Place. -
Anyone caught and FINED for jaywalking by outsourced wardens are damm unlucky.
Infact there is NO LEGAL ENTITY for you to show your IC to the wardens when caught!
If caught by Policeman, they got the authority to demand your identity.
BUT definately NOT those powerless wardens.
In fact if there are NO photographs evidence of your offences(crossing double white line, jaywalking,buslanes, etc).
You can always challenge the case in court. If eveyone is do it, the warden will have to be present himself in court each time to give evidence against the culprit, that will leave him with no time to do actual work. And i don't think the outsourced company will compansate the warden for his time in court as well.
So do not let in too easily to these warden who claims you have committed a offence. If you are cunning enough, you can always counter sue the fellow for accusing you of something which you have not done.
But knowing Singaporeans are timid.....they willingly Pay and Pay....just so to 'avoid trouble'. (This is what I heard from my Singaporean girlfriends) -
WE should find some way to OUTSOURCE for new government...
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Originally posted by ShutterBug:WE should find some way to OUTSOURCE for new government...
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Very simple....
PTC is govt's left pocket......SMRT and SBS are govt's right pocket. Our livelihood is all controlled by sg govt, especially the average and the lower income group of people.
That's why these operators are guarantee with ridiculous profits...all out to skin and suck commoners blood. -
UK is UK. We are we.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:It's not new...policing of parking offences has been outsourced in UK for a long time.. -
Sep 28, 2006
Too many motorists get booked in overkill
I WAS not surprised by the recent letters on the outsourcing of traffic police duties. It just took so long for motorists to voice dismay over this matter.
Could this be because Singaporeans feel they can do nothing once a policy has been implemented, especially when it concerns the police? The points raised by Mr Tan Lam Siong (ST, Sept 26) are relevant and certainly strike a chord among motorists.
The bigger issue insofar as motorists are concerned is the manner in which summonses are so freely issued, even for the slightest infringement such as darting into the bus lane (with no buses behind) to make a left turn a few metres before the slip road to avoid the jam ahead.
One of the most annoying incidents I observed was a warden diligently issuing tickets for cars parked neatly along a quiet road in a residential area at 10pm on the second day of Chinese New Year, when it was obvious that people were visiting and no one was causing obstruction.
I was incensed but I knew the futility of confrontation. And what about tickets being freely dispensed to cars parked in deserted back lanes?
One cannot blame the widely-held belief (erroneous or otherwise) that these over-zealous wardens have a quota to meet, and even if this is denied, that the authorities must account for the money they have paid for outsourcing such duties.
It is good to have tough enforcement in high traffic and accident-prone areas but the zealousness with which it is being carried out especially in lightly-used roads and back lanes, is reinforcing people's attitude that the authorities are unduly harsh and unsympathetic.
It is indeed contradictory for a government that encourages entrepreneurship in the Singaporean mindset to, at the same time, put the people in a strait-jacket. For that is what not allowing motorists to 'stray out of the box' even when no one is inconvenienced amounts to.
Motoring in Singapore is already stressful with the high taxes, ERP charges, traffic jams, etc. and now there are wardens all over the island waiting to book motorists.
Please, stop the overkill. Give the motorists a break, especially on Sundays and public holidays if no inconvenience is caused.
The traffic police should instead concentrate on some of the menacing practices seen on our roads, such as speeding by heavy vehicles, driving without headlights in the early hours of the morning when it is still pitch dark, and the increasingly dangerous practice of not using the signal lights while turning.
Philip Lee Fook Seng
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Sep 28, 2006
OVER-ZEALOUS TRAFFIC WARDENS
Unsuspecting motorist gets ticket in 'ambush'
HERE'S my two cents' worth in the discussion on outsourcing traffic policing duties.
One Sunday in June, I went to make a withdrawal at an ATM in Abacus Plaza at Tampines Central. As most of the offices were closed, Tampines Central 6 was deserted except for some security personnel at the entrances to the car parks.
I stopped my car at the side of the road and was back in a flash after making my withdrawal.
To my dismay, I saw a Cisco warden quickly walking away after issuing me a ticket. I was puzzled by the speed at which the warden appeared, issued a ticket, then disappeared.
I returned the following Sunday afternoon and saw the warden playing hide-and-seek with me in an apparent attempt to 'ambush' me. I stopped my car and approached him for his details.
Although my three minutes of illegal parking did not cause any traffic congestion or inconvenience any other road-user, I concede I broke the law and have duly paid my fine.
What disgusts me are the questionable methods employed by the private traffic enforcement companies in their attempt to achieve their objectives ie. issue summonses.
Is this a case of the means justifying the end?
I recall the furore over an anti-narcotics officer who lured a doctor to sell drugs through an Internet chatroom.
Are the authorities endorsing entrapment as a legitimate form of law enforcement?
Until recently, I do not remember traffic enforcement officers ambushing motorists in order to meet quotas. Should we expect to play more hide-and-seek with Cisco wardens henceforth?
James Yap Chong Ann
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