Angry Indonesian lawmakers call Lee Kuan Yew "Liar"
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hmmm the malaysians i spoke to agree with LKY's statements. there are the preferential policies. then there is the preferential education system. then there is the preferential allocation of business contracts. seems loads of things in malaysia a stacked to favour the bumiputras. from what i know (ive hardly done a census or anything), most of the chinese there do not like the system. it was half amusing and half disconcerting to see how racist a bus driver i talked to while in malaysia had become due to the system there.
not related to systematic marginalisation is the fact that one of my friends has gone as far as to say that members of his extended family in malaysia have been victims of violent crime (in his words) by virtue of their (chinese) race. i don't know anything about indonesia beyond my maid telling me that it is unsafe for chinese in most parts of the country. -
sigh.... its the time of ramadan.... when muslims are suppose to be more pious(and honest)... yet... it didnt stop them from lying...
allah must be rolling his eyes....
no wonder during the afganistan campaign against the talibans... bush tell those who ask him for a ceasefire as a respect to ramadan to F.O.
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come another asian financial crisis... you sure see them roll out red carpet.. lined by beautiful girls all the way from singapore to KL/Jakarta...Originally posted by Ito_^:i wonder what will happen if they issue an arrest warrant for lee kuan yew and sue him in the courts of indonesia and malaysia.
he forever cannot go there any more.
money talks... your country can be bigger then the sun.. but when you no money... your head just feels very heavy...(cannot lift up)
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that is why they say... it doesnt pay to be honest...Originally posted by Texcoco II:Indonesians taking revenge on Sg now....
They not happy with LKY and now burn their forests to send their smoke to cover over entire Sg and sarfocate us.
honesty is not always the best policies.. especially against those who dont want to know the truth.... but only wanna pretend to be honest... especially during the holy month.
man.... they must either really think their GOD is blind... or they really dont give a FXXK about GOD's wrath. -
While LKY is speaking the truth, I think its rather insensitive to comment on other countries and how they treat their citizens.
I'm just thankful I'm born in the right country where I'm in the majority. -
My wife's colleague had recovered from the same illness a long time ago but passed away suddenly this week due to a relapse.Originally posted by dragg:he recovered a long time ago.
Docs said it could not been cured once detected in the boby. -
It can be cured totally depending on the stage the cancer was discovered in.Originally posted by foomwee88:My wife's colleague had recovered from the same illness a long time ago but passed away suddenly this week due to a relapse.
Docs said it could not been cured once detected in the boby. -
they should be greatful to LKY for telling them the truth... or do they prefer to hear it from PRC/INDIA leader's mouth?Originally posted by nanren4ever:While LKY is speaking the truth, I think its rather insensitive to comment on other countries and how they treat their citizens.
I'm just thankful I'm born in the right country where I'm in the majority. -
i' ve got a feeling that maybe LKY does not even like malays; and yes, he has to stand up for the Chinese. (he's a chi anyway). Racial harmony is just a smokescreen in its name.
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eh... i thought LKY ancestor is a malay chinese mix?Originally posted by trendz:i' ve got a feeling that maybe LKY does not even like malays; and yes, he has to stand up for the Chinese. (he's a chi anyway). Racial harmony is just a smokescreen in its name. -
hmm.. i wonder wats taking the s'pore foreign ministry so long to respond to the malaysia and indonesia counterparts request for explaination??
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Indonesia summoned Singapore Ambassador
Sep 27, 2006, 2.16 pm (Singapore time)
Jakarta wants S'pore to clarify MM Lee's race comments
INDONESIA'S foreign ministry has summoned Singapore's ambassador over Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew's statements that Indonesia had 'systematically marginalised' its ethnic Chinese minority.
Yuri Thamrin, director of East Asian and Pacific affairs at the ministry, said the ambassador was called in on Wednesday to help clear the matter.
'It's an old story. We are seeking clarification from the Singaporean side and we are still waiting for it,' he said.
At a dialogue for good governance on Sept 15, Mr Lee had said that it was important for Singapore to have a government that was 'really firm, stout-hearted, subtle and resolute'.
He noted that the attitude of Malaysia and Indonesia towards the Republic was shaped by the way they treated their own ethnic Chinese minorities.
Mr Lee said: 'My neighbours both have problems with their Chinese. They are successful, they're hard-working and therefore they are systematically marginalised, even in education.'
The two nations 'want Singapore, to put it simply, to be like their Chinese - compliant', said Mr Lee.
Only three per cent of Indonesia's 220 million population is ethnically Chinese.
But members of the minority group are disproportionately powerful players in the economy.
Chinese Indonesians faced systematic barriers during the 32 years of President Suharto's rule that ended in 1998.
The situation has improved since and many discriminatory regulations have been revoked. -- REUTERS -
please lah..its all due to currency exchange...im sure they only wanna study and work here..but in the end live in malaysiaOriginally posted by av98m:My relatives still prefer studying and working in singapore. They don't like the preferential treatment for malays. -
actually most malaysian chinese are looking for a way to leave malaysia, but are limited by circumstances they are in.... like having learns decades of economically worthless malay language that limited their global transnational mobility.(unless they wanna move to indonesia)Originally posted by valentinoo:please lah..its all due to currency exchange...im sure they only wanna study and work here..but in the end live in malaysia
in malaysia, chinese education and work are being potong by the malaysian malay govt. -
how come some of the chinese i know are happy there.? cheap house cheap car..have their own shops....and anyways beside malay they do study English what...they r lots of malaysian who migrated to australia..now r u telling me they dunno english? neways if they feel learning malay is worthless..then they shouldnt be even living there..malaysia is not saying its an english country...whats so hard about moving..they can come to singapore...singapore will welcome em with open arms..give scholarships everythingOriginally posted by tripwire:actually most malaysian chinese are looking for a way to leave malaysia, but are limited by circumstances they are in.... like having learns decades of economically worthless malay language that limited their global transnational mobility.(unless they wanna move to indonesia)
in malaysia, chinese education and work are being potong by the malaysian malay govt. -
and based on what assumption did you think the chinese in malay are able to converse only in the so called 'decades of economically worthless malay language that limited their global transnational mobility?' mind u, most malaysian chinese are just as trilinqual as we are.. and r u racists? when u pointed out that malay language is worthless, do u mean we should abolish our national anthemn and sing it in English instead? mind u.. attking another countires policy is one thing, but attking a language when its part of s'pore cultural heritage is another no matter wat others say, its like shooting yourself on your toe..Originally posted by tripwire:actually most malaysian chinese are looking for a way to leave malaysia, but are limited by circumstances they are in.... like having learns decades of economically worthless malay language that limited their global transnational mobility.(unless they wanna move to indonesia)
in malaysia, chinese education and work are being potong by the malaysian malay govt. -
even in a jail.. there are happy prisoners... does that make all prison the home away from home for all prisoner?Originally posted by valentinoo:how come some of the chinese i know are happy there.? cheap house cheap car..have their own shops....and anyways beside malay they do study English what...they r lots of malaysian who migrated to australia..now r u telling me they dunno english? neways if they feel learning malay is worthless..then they shouldnt be even living there..malaysia is not saying its an english country...whats so hard about moving..they can come to singapore...singapore will welcome em with open arms..give scholarships everything
those that can migrate ... migrated... and singapore dont just accept anyone..and even if we do.. there are "difficulties"... that needs to be addressed... but you are obviously too naive to realise that...
furthermore, what i infered was that those who cant.. due to certain restrictions such as lack of english proficiencies are forced to stay...
so... learn to read properly next time. -
fact is fact.. reality is not aways rosey... the fact of the matter is... malay as a language has lower economic value.. that is an undeniable fact... no matter how diplomatic you try to be.Originally posted by 4getmenot:and based on what assumption did you think the chinese in malay are able to converse only in the so called 'decades of economically worthless malay language that limited their global transnational mobility?' mind u, most malaysian chinese are just as trilinqual as we are.. and r u racists? when u pointed out that malay language is worthless, do u mean we should abolish our national anthemn and sing it in English instead? mind u.. attking another countires policy is one thing, but attking a language when its part of s'pore cultural heritage is another no matter wat others say, its like shooting yourself on your toe..
and frankly... its purely out of respect for our malay brothers and perhaps history, that we kept our anthem in malay...
though previously... our anthems wording in malay was probably due to "insurmountable regional geopolitical" difficulties during the formative years of national independence.
nevertheless... if you have to study 3 languages.. how many singaporeans do you think, would put malay as first language? -
There will always be people who are happy or unhappy in all places. I'm sure some Africans are also happy in their respective countries even though their economies are poor. I wouldn't go as far to say that most Malaysian Chinese are, but if you compare Malaysian Chinese and Singapore Chinese, then probably a larger percentage of our Malaysian counterparts would like to leave their country because of the Bumiputra policies.Originally posted by valentinoo:how come some of the chinese i know are happy there.? cheap house cheap car..have their own shops....and anyways beside malay they do study English what...they r lots of malaysian who migrated to australia..now r u telling me they dunno english? neways if they feel learning malay is worthless..then they shouldnt be even living there..malaysia is not saying its an english country...whats so hard about moving..they can come to singapore...singapore will welcome em with open arms..give scholarships everything -
fact is fact.. but i dun see you making claims to back up your 'facts'.. of course it does make it even more easier when you insert 'reality' into it... in case u don't know, the language 'malay' is distinctively related to the race 'malay', and in case you didn't know also or forgot, the first inhabitants in singapore were malays as well. And by discrediting malay as a language, u are indirectly discrediting malays as a race as well? am i wrong to say tat? your posts seem to suggest that.Originally posted by tripwire:fact is fact.. reality is not aways rosey... the fact of the matter is... malay as a language has lower economic value.. that is an undeniable fact... no matter how diplomatic you try to be.
and frankly... its purely out of respect for our malay brothers and perhaps history, that we kept our anthem in malay...
though previously... our anthems wording in malay was probably due to "insurmountable regional geopolitical" difficulties during the formative years of national independence.
nevertheless... if you have to study 3 languages.. how many singaporeans do you think, would put malay as first language?
just be a man retract what u said in your earlier posts bout the language lar, i understand u probably said it but u didn;t meant it -
think you got the wrong pic...Originally posted by 4getmenot:fact is fact.. but i dun see you making claims to back up your 'facts'.. of course it does make it even more easier when you insert 'reality' into it... in case u don't know, the language 'malay' is distinctively related to the race 'malay', and in case you didn't know also or forgot, the first inhabitants in singapore were malays as well. And by discrediting malay as a language, u are indirectly discrediting malays as a race as well? am i wrong to say tat? your posts seem to suggest that.
just be a man retract what u said in your earlier posts bout the language lar, i understand u probably said it but u didn;t meant it
the declining value of malay language... was not the result of malays as a race... but due to the poor administration of malay economy... namely the deplorable state of malaysia and especially indonesia economy.
the malay as a language shares equal status as all languages around the world... but its economic value is a direct reflection of our neighbour. -
he who always say racial harmony is impt.
yet he say something which could cause racial tension in another country.
what does it say about this men? he can say what he want and yet can get away with it.
some of his statement could be true, all know it. but that doesnt meant he can say it in international media.
it wasnt that wrong too when mahathir say malay in singapore are marginalise too. why there arent so many malay in armed forces?
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Racial harmony is important, so is racial equality. He has never hidden the fact that he dislikes the Malaysian policies that restrict the opportunities for the minorities and increase the advantages for the Malays, since 1965.Originally posted by reyes:he who always say racial harmony is impt.
yet he say something which could cause racial tension in another country.
what does it say about this men? he can say what he want and yet can get away with it.
some of his statement could be true, all know it. but that doesnt meant he can say it in international media.
it wasnt that wrong too when mahathir say malay in singapore are marginalise too. why there arent so many malay in armed forces?
somethings are better left alone. for politics veteran like him, he simply has lost touch.
What are you talking about? Everyone has to serve national service. Since when have your malay friends not been allowed to enter the army? There may be some sensitive top positions that may be restricted but we all know why. -
Although your comments (all comments leading to what i have quoted) are bigoted and caustic in nature, I'd have to agee with you that the malay language have little (or no) economic value. I hope it will change for the better.Originally posted by tripwire:think you got the wrong pic...
the declining value of malay language... was not the result of malays as a race... but due to the poor administration of malay economy... namely the deplorable state of malaysia and especially indonesia economy.
the malay as a language shares equal status as all languages around the world... but its economic value is a direct reflection of our neighbour.
No matter how much racial harmony and racial tolerance we think we hold, when it comes to matters of kinship one will tend to champion its own. Like it or not that is a natural reaction. And just because we learn to tolerate and live with each other it doesnt mean that we are not racists! -
He should hve known u but 2 late!!!!Anyway R u a Doc????Originally posted by photo_seeker:It can be cured totally depending on the stage the cancer was discovered in.