Who say SG factory dieing?
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And foreign workers in singapore, remember the govt's way of calculating unemployment?Originally posted by charlize:Wait.
Locals include PRs?
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If unemployed Singaporeans are less picky and willing to work shifts in clean rooms, we will not have to rely on so many foreign workers. Without these Malaysians to provide the workforce, the companies would have to move their operations to China.Originally posted by Atobe:[color=darkred]Statistical publicity is merely [b]'blowing hot air' for the sake of publicity.
What are the actual facts that accompany these glorious announcements ?[/b][/quote]
Conspiracy theorists abound
Since when do you have an iota of evidence that the media is falsifying figures? It is all so easy to rubbish the statistics without providing data yourself.Originally posted by Atobe:
All the new investments in hard disk manufacturing plants will employ the largely Malaysian workers, coming over daily in the blue colored buses with Malaysian registration plates.
How many Singaporeans are actually employable in these high-tech assembly factories - or even those high-tech bio-chemical or pharmaceutical plants ?
[quote]If the Singaporeans - in their 50's, who have been retrenched from their previous administrative and service sector jobs - were to be employed in these assembly line works, are they truly gainfully employed, and their skill and training truly maximised; or are they partially redundant as they are over qualified for production works ?As the Chinese saying goes, "The gentleman is one who can flex and extend", it will be those who are prepared to be flexible and adjust to changing economic circumstances who will remain gainfully employed at all times. If there are no administrative jobs for them but good positions available in the wafer fabs, there is no excuse not to re-train for a different industry. Those who are content to sit on their butts and rant about their misfortune on the Net is the mark of a xiaoren, a person of no consequence and dubious character. -
oh so maybe you can ACTUALLY provide the Real Numbers on how much of the so called created jobs have gone to the s'poreans??Originally posted by oxford mushroom:As the Chinese saying goes, "The gentleman is one who can flex and extend", it will be those who are prepared to be flexible and adjust to changing economic circumstances who will remain gainfully employed at all times. If there are no administrative jobs for them but good positions available in the wafer fabs, there is no excuse not to re-train for a different industry. Those who are content to sit on their butts and rant about their misfortune on the Net is the mark of a xiaoren, a person of no consequence and dubious character.The gentleman is one who can flex and extend?
There is a limit to how much a person can flex and extend..
How many good positions are they in a wafer fabs job?
Even if if they are retrained? would it automatically guarantee them a new job? afterall, cheaper labor force like FTs are abundant now in s'pore
people rant on the internet becuz
1) MP says - stop complaing and try to solve the problem yourself
2) The media is ranked among the 3rd world countries ...go figure..
xiaoren? i wonder who is more xiaoren here.. [/b] -
Originally posted by 4getmenot:
Don't mind him lah.
There is a limit to how much a person can flex and extend..
How many good positions are they in a wafer fabs job?
Even if if they are retrained? would it automatically guarantee them a new job? afterall, cheaper labor force like FTs are abundant now in s'pore
people rant on the internet becuz
1) MP says - stop complaing and try to solve the problem yourself
2) The media is ranked among the 3rd world countries ...go figure..
xiaoren? i wonder who is more xiaoren here.. [/b]
He is enjoying life in the UK now. -
That's why, I said (if you like, you can use the Mr. Brown tune), he is a non-swimmer, staying at a high and dry place, mocking at those who are trying to stay afloat.Originally posted by charlize:Don't mind him lah.
He is enjoying life in the UK now. -
There is a limit to how much a person can flex and extend..
If another worker is willing to be more flexible than you are, he deserves the job. If two persons possess similar skills, as an employer I will give the job to the one who is more hungry. Unfortunately, the fact is that many foreigners are more hungry for the job, willing to work harder for less pay.
How many good positions are they in a wafer fabs job?
Even if if they are retrained? would it automatically guarantee them a new job? afterall, cheaper labor force like FTs are abundant now in s'pore
Lots of people have lost their jobs because their skills have been priced out of the market. Others are able to offer a similar service for less pay. You can either compete on skills or pay. Either upgrade your skills to meet market demands or you will have to lower your salary to keep your job.
There are good positions in wafer fabs that pay relatively well because the job requires some specialized skills, long shift hours and working in a clean room with protective clothing (considered rather uncomfortable). Those who are willing to live with the inconveniences will get the job. Unfortunately, many Singaporeans are not hungry enough to want these jobs.
In contrast, I had a foreign trainee who was willing to work for me completely free of charge for a year, living on her husband's (a foreign worker earning less than 2k a month) salary. Why? Because she needed a letter from me to certify that she has trained in an accredited institution in order to sit her postgraduate examinations.
In comparison to her, Singaporeans who would only whine and complain should be ashamed of themselves. -
Question No. 1:
Which factory net profis is one and half of Sing Tel
2.Which factory net profits is more than sum of net profits of
ALL 3 LOCAL banks.S1000 Award Top Net Profit by Industry
Company Name......................Net Profit SGD '000
Communications/Transport/Storage
Singapore Telecommunications Limited.....$4,161,300
Finance
United Overseas Bank Limited .................$1,731,403
Hotels/Food Establishments
Goodwood Park Hotel Limited ....................$208,596
Manufacturing
Glaxo Wellcome Manufacturing Pte Ltd .........$6,593,844
Retail
DFS Venture Singapore (Pte) Limited ............$148,707
Services
Singapore Press Holdings Limited ....................$488,389
Wholesale
Exxonmobil Asia Pacific Pte. Ltd. ......................$1,833,794
2.SG government expense is some $30 billion pa.Profits of Glaxo Wellcome Manufacturing Pte Ltd .........$6,593,844,000 is more than 20% of sg expenses!!.
Of course,there is much tax incentives under Pioneer Certificates etc.
3.Manufacturing still can feed many local and foreign families. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Third Media plant
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DO you ever use your backside to think why these chemical plant are here?
Do you know how toxins these plant?
back in America only ex Vietnam people work in their Seagate plant .
The Gov only regulate the waste discharge out from the factory? what about within the factory? Toxins flow within the factory air condition system? how many thousand Singaporean will suffer from those gases they breath?
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Why look at malaysians? More china people to occupy Singapore's new factory. Expect to see more china galz and fellas flooding the post. Singaporeans are always a minority in factories in our homeland. The govt is enjoying the cashflow of levy fee. MOM is the profit making industry.
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Before I comment on the topic itself.
Of course, ox is a doctor - he has his earning power now, regardless of whether he is in UK or Singapore . So that reallly disqualifies him from making comments on taking on lower paid jobs. It's more of an ivory tower look down from him.
Lionnoisy are you a student or a working Singaporean?
If you are a student , don't talk about work and FT because you have not gone out in the world yet to survive yet . If not, are you working in daddy's office or a young worker who just cinched a highly paid job ? I ask because no Singaporean who has been out in the work market will talk like you do except if they are in one of these categories. -
I would like to point out in the example you have : the foreign trainee has something to gain if she work for you free. Once she is trained and accredited plus registered , her earning power is secured plus she can also chose her employer. Am I not wrong?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:In contrast, I had a foreign trainee who was willing to work for me completely free of charge for a year, living on her husband's (a foreign worker earning less than 2k a month) salary. Why? Because she needed a letter from me to certify that she has trained in an accredited institution in order to sit her postgraduate examinations.
In comparison to her, Singaporeans who would only whine and complain should be ashamed of themselves.
That is called internship. People work for UN and WHO free for 3-6 months to make the connections to go up. Those networks are highly political and once you have that connection - your mobility to move is there plus employment benefits. Plus you get invited to sit on consultancies etc in the future if you know the who's who. And it is easy to get into anywhere if your referees are big names in the same specialty area you are going for. I know that from experience.
Gain for the above people : monetary profit and connections
Now let's talk about a Wafer Fab plant - the gain is only a salary which has no profit as it is only used for survival purposes . It does not give you connections or a future to look forward to . Furthermore it comes with a higher risk of retrenchment and unemployment than for someone with the connections to move up further.
Quintessentially you are comparing a durian to a jackfruit. Both have pungent smells but both are very different . -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
it's exploitative 'sweat shops cheap labour' of yesteryears justified in today's context, no wonder Singaporeans shamelessly choose to whine than to work for people like u, who indulge in 'bribery exchange' only no monies involved, u scratched my back, I scratched yours... where's the meritocracy preached n swore by or the principles n backbone...
In contrast, I had a foreign trainee who was willing to work for me completely free of charge for a year, living on her husband's (a foreign worker earning less than 2k a month) salary. Why? Because she needed a letter from me to certify that she has trained in an accredited institution in order to sit her postgraduate examinations.
In comparison to her, Singaporeans who would only whine and complain should be ashamed of themselves. -
EDB March 2007 investment news:
This little red dot is second in chips production by value by city.
This is 6 th by countries after PRC ,US,Taiwan etc.
2.we will be worse if not producing so much chips,chaps!! -
Hey we hv the highest paid ministers and yet we only achieved 6th....Originally posted by lionnoisy:EDB March 2007 investment news:
This little red dot is second in chips production by value by city.
This is 6 th by countries after PRC ,US,Taiwan etc.
2.we will be worse if not producing so much chips,chaps!!
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2.Lucky more coming to set up hi tech factory here.Originally posted by justcooler:Hey we hv the highest paid ministers and yet we only achieved 6th....
That is not good enough.
Thursday April 26,2007
Qimonda to invest 2 bln euros in Singapore factorySINGAPORE, April 26 (Reuters) - Germany's Qimonda AG , the world's third-largest maker of computer memory chips, said on Thursday it would invest 2 billion euros ($2.73 billion) over five years to build a chip plant in Singapore.
The new factory, which would produce chips from cutting-edge 300-mm or dinner-plate-sized wafers, will have a production capacity of 60,000 wafers per month.
"Our investment in Singapore is a major step to expand our regional presence in the Asian market," said Qimonda Chief Executive Kin Wah Loh in a statement.
"We can benefit from local competitive cost structures and manufacturing know-how and finally further reduce our exposure to exchange rate fluctuations compared to the U.S. dollar."
Qimonda will finance its investment for the factory initially from its own cash flow.
Construction of the plant will begin at the end of this year, with production starting in 2009. When running at full capacity, the factory will employ more than 1,500 staff. -
Aw lionnoisy, looks like your hyperlinkings and one-liners are not working in here.
