Grow Up Singaporeans
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If you notice, Atobe only pays heed to threads with some level of worthwhile communication.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Allo.. Atobe oh great one... where are you???
A flame thread is hardly worth his time...
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(btw im only being singaporean - fanning the flames just to join in except this time im on the lesser side)
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..crap..Originally posted by BillyBong:If you notice, Atobe only pays heed to threads with some level of worthwhile communication.
A flame thread is hardly worth his time... -
Quick someone, bring a large fire extinguisher!!
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I hardly see how it impedes our desire to be more courteous. Despite the train doors beeping prior to closing, i have seen hordes of commuters still trying to squeeze their way in. The train driver obviously has some CCTV view and will usually give 2 subsequent warnings, some verbally, that the doors are 'really' closing before shutting the exits.Originally posted by ShutterBug:You know Billy, I have taken the MRT a few occasions during peak hours, and what I noticed is that the short time it takes before the doors closes and the train starts to move off.
I feel it is the SHORT TIME that SMRT allow for commuters to alight and or board, that causes people to rush and not give way.
What say you?
If one really wanted move out of the way, one would, regardless of circumstances. It's the principle that divides leaders from the followers.
It's just that most people decline to be 'helpful' or simply prefer to stay in their comfort zones rather than offer a goodwill gesture.
'Pay it forward' in this case, doesn't work with locals, at least not yet. -
This is quite a problem Billy, and I think the Courtesy Campagne should be further enforced, and emphasis must be stepped up in schools from Kindergarten onwards. Parents also plays a part - big part really.Originally posted by BillyBong:I hardly see how it impedes our desire to be more courteous. Despite the train doors beeping prior to closing, i have seen hordes of commuters still trying to squeeze their way in. The train driver obviously has some CCTV view and will usually give 2 subsequent warnings, some verbally, that the doors are 'really' closing before shutting the exits.
If one really wanted move out of the way, one would, regardless of circumstances. It's the principle that divides leaders from the followers.
It's just that most people decline to be 'helpful' or simply prefer to stay in their comfort zones rather than offer a goodwill gesture.
'Pay it forward' in this case, doesn't work with locals, at least not yet.
Long ago, I already pointed out that Singapore must really brush up on the issue of Courtesy / Graceousness. -
Is courtesy campaigns the right way to go?Originally posted by ShutterBug:This is quite a problem Billy, and I think the Courtesy Campagne should be further enforced, and emphasis must be stepped up in schools from Kindergarten onwards. Parents also plays a part - big part really.
Long ago, I already pointed out that Singapore must really brush up on the issue of Courtesy / Graceousness.
Sure it improves awareness during the campaign week, but fizzles out almost immediately after, with Singaporeans rearing their ugly head, in direct contrast to the smiling courtesy lion.
If it requires coerced methods to drill the foreign concept of courtesy into our very thick skulls, how are we to progress as a culture? It must come by example, and children must be taught the right approach from day 1. Education is the critical step to change.
I remember being taught to clear my tray during school days. In parallel, we also did that when we ate at fast food chains. Incidently, i still practice this habit, despite singaporeans giving me the raised eyebrow and strange looks.
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Originally posted by BillyBong:
I believe at this point, a RESET is required.
Is courtesy campaigns the right way to go?
Sure it improves awareness during the campaign week, but fizzles out almost immediately after, with Singaporeans rearing their ugly head, in direct contrast to the smiling courtesy lion.
If it requires coerced methods to drill the [b]foreign concept of courtesy into our very thick skulls, how are we to progress as a culture? It must come by example, and children must be taught the right approach from day 1. Education is the critical step to change.
I remember being taught to clear my tray during school days. In parallel, we also did that when we ate at fast food chains. Incidently, i still practice this habit, despite singaporeans giving me the raised eyebrow and strange looks.
Try leaving your tray after eating in Taiwan, and see whether the locals will respond in kind. [/b]
I mean, basic common courtesy aka manners, are SUPPOSED to be taught by parents at HOME. Yes that's it. I find that parents today, are ONLY dead set focused on their child's educational progress and thought nothing of the child's manners and sense of courtesy. If this issue of courtesy goes ignored any longer, the newer generation of parents are going to pass on this "me first" mentality into the next decade and beyond.
Courtesy Campagne must go on, while schools of all levels must inculcate a strong sense of courtesy in all students.
Yes, being courteous is part of any culture, but if left unpracticed and allowing only commercial & economic progress to over rule, then one ugly nation of people will surely to become. -
Ok lah, Malsing is Malaysian right? Somebody start a thread to flame Malaysia then
. Let him know the real difference and put a slap to wake him up. -
dont malaysians also use "lah"?Originally posted by Rock^Star:Ok lah, Malsing is Malaysian right? Somebody start a thread to flame Malaysia then . Let him know the real difference and put a slap to wake him up. -
Yes but that's just one of it. It won't fully convince Malsing, dear Cenarious.
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stop feeding the troll you guys..
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Can't help it. Sometimes, it's just really amusing watching fools speak their "big country but narrow" minds. I have a few names in mind......
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the difference is that, it is in their culture to give way to others, or more specifically, it is in their culture to not be a hindrance to others. it is not in ours. saying that 10% of singaporeans give way on trains, while 10% of japanese do not give way on trains isn't very far from the truth.Originally posted by BillyBong:Believe me, i dislike the crowded train exits as much as the next person, including the disgusting fact that people cannot stand aside and let people out before barging into the trains to snatch empty seats.
But before the thread-starter goes flaming singaporeans for their lack of courtesy, he should get out of his well and see the world.
Generalisation merely reflects ignorance.
And yes, some japanese do give way and even alight to allow other commuters to disembark. I happen to do the same on the MRT. But there are those who remain oblivious to their surroundings and literally transform into an immobile tree.
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Oh Thank You...Originally posted by Cenarious:WORDS OF IGNORANCE
IGNORANCE IS BLISS...
CRITICISM SPELLS TROUBLE. -
I Have read the replies with interest and 99% people are just focussing on the MRT issue read my previous posts with regards to suicides up amongst the teenagers in Singapore due to the pressure faced by them getting THAT PAPER.
I have stated that you have a better public transport here thatn where I come from,the trains are clean the buses are clean but we as supposedly grown ups should educate the young with regards to showing common courtesy we should lead by example or is it a case for Sings to just go along with things and dont make a stance.
YOUR CHOICE lets the Sings take a stance and prove me wrong.
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Malsing
I truly agree with you...but I must say live and let live....there are many like me around you who have already given up on this little red dot and we are having a far better life elsewhere.
This little red dot will only become better at what it does best...being narrow minded, kiasu...ungracious and just plain pathetic. Remember this, this little red dot is just a superficial country...everything looks nice and clean on the surface, but peel away the veneer and you will see everything here is just one big wayang.
It's only pre-occupation here is study well, serve NS, get a a well paying job, make babies, import FTs, make silly comments about malaysia/indonesia once a while, invest in thailand and get subject to investigations...
But seriously, I do not blame this little red dot as it is a victim of circumstances and geography...better to be far-sighted and start packing to get out of here...after all, there are lots of ready replacements from India and China...let them all come, let the incumbent population here feel the strain and stresss..good for them...as many have justified, this is globalization...far too long has this little red dot been far too comfy...let teh suffering begin -
amen...Originally posted by Coquitlam:Malsing
I truly agree with you...but I must say live and let live....there are many like me around you who have already given up on this little red dot and we are having a far better life elsewhere.
This little red dot will only become better at what it does best...being narrow minded, kiasu...ungracious and just plain pathetic. Remember this, this little red dot is just a superficial country...everything looks nice and clean on the surface, but peel away the veneer and you will see everything here is just one big wayang.
It's only pre-occupation here is study well, serve NS, get a a well paying job, make babies, import FTs, make silly comments about malaysia/indonesia once a while, invest in thailand and get subject to investigations...
But seriously, I do not blame this little red dot as it is a victim of circumstances and geography...better to be far-sighted and start packing to get out of here...after all, there are lots of ready replacements from India and China...let them all come, let the incumbent population here feel the strain and stresss..good for them...as many have justified, this is globalization...far too long has this little red dot been far too comfy...let teh suffering begin -
I am very happy to see there are geuine guys out there apart from four Sing friens ant work I hope I have made two more.
I need some help or better still direction here on how to assist the foreign workers better with there conditions here.All i know is Manpower is there an outreach organisation that takes a stance against employers regarding the blatant working conditions of the foreign worker i.e. Nepalese Bangladesh and Malays which is not government run
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Sadly, this is what I usually see parents teaching their children today:Originally posted by ShutterBug:I believe at this point, a RESET is required.
I mean, basic common courtesy aka manners, are SUPPOSED to be taught by parents at HOME. Yes that's it. I find that parents today, are ONLY dead set focused on their child's educational progress and thought nothing of the child's manners and sense of courtesy. If this issue of courtesy goes ignored any longer, the newer generation of parents are going to pass on this "me first" mentality into the next decade and beyond.
Courtesy Campagne must go on, while schools of all levels must inculcate a strong sense of courtesy in all students.
Yes, being courteous is part of any culture, but if left unpracticed and allowing only commercial & economic progress to over rule, then one ugly nation of people will surely to become.
1. Don't help your weaker classmates with their schoolwork, there are limited spaces in the best class/schools etc.
2. Try to get your smart classmates to teach you (irony, I know)
3. No need to queue up at the side of the tracks, when the MRT comes just rush inside to grab seats
4. Same for buses, just rush up, no need to queue
5. Never try to help anyone in public, avoid trouble. Mind your own business.
6. Always try to take advantage of other people, but never let yourself be taken advantage of.
7. You have the right to do anything you like anywhere, including being an obnoxious brat, not following written rules.
8. Anything in school, its the teacher/principal's fault. Must complain.
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Yes, I am fully aware that these are current common traits, but don't be too laxed about it.Originally posted by av98m:Sadly, this is what I usually see parents teaching their children today:
1. Don't help your weaker classmates with their schoolwork, there are limited spaces in the best class/schools etc.
2. Try to get your smart classmates to teach you (irony, I know)
3. No need to queue up at the side of the tracks, when the MRT comes just rush inside to grab seats
4. Same for buses, just rush up, no need to queue
5. Never try to help anyone in public, avoid trouble. Mind your own business.
6. Always try to take advantage of other people, but never let yourself be taken advantage of.
7. You have the right to do anything you like anywhere, including being an obnoxious brat, not following written rules.
8. Anything in school, its the teacher/principal's fault. Must complain.
And so on.
With the influx of foreigners into Singapore, one fine day all you locals may find that the person or group of people who finally manages to re-shape Singapore and its government are of foreign origin.
All of the above unsaviory characteristics must be eradicated in due course, meantime ALL OF US must do whatever we can to change the status quo.
In making headway in this area, our government MUST act immediately on the following:
>> Incorporate Courtesy / Graceousness into the education system at all levels
>> Courtesy and Graceousness Campagne must be an on-going thing, not seasonal - keep drumming it in until it is ingrown
>> Courtesy Gotcha group should be put to gether to go around with candid camera to capture ugly Singaporeans and air the footage on national TV; eg., candid video capture of commuter/s not giving up seats to elderly, or Que jumping, refusing to give way while driving, refusing to give way to alighting or boarding commuters, etc.
I believe these sort of selfish mentality came about because the emphasis and focus of the system and society is solely on Achieveing Higher Education, Career, and ultimately affluence.
By publicising the acts of these Bad Apples, just like in the Corrective Work Order scheme, I'm sure it will make some real changes.
I have a feeling, Singaporeans can't be GENTLY reminded or 'educated' on ethics and courtesy - again FEAR has to be used....sad... but true.
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i blame our coolie ancestorsOriginally posted by ShutterBug:Yes, I am fully aware that these are current common traits, but don't be too laxed about it.
With the influx of foreigners into Singapore, one fine day all you locals may find that the person or group of people who finally manages to re-shape Singapore and its government are of foreign origin.
All of the above unsaviory characteristics must be eradicated in due course, meantime ALL OF US must do whatever we can to change the status quo.
In making headway in this area, our government MUST act immediately on the following:
>> Incorporate Courtesy / Graceousness into the education system at all levels
>> Courtesy and Graceousness Campagne must be an on-going thing, not seasonal - keep drumming it in until it is ingrown
>> Courtesy Gotcha group should be put to gether to go around with candid camera to capture ugly Singaporeans and air the footage on national TV; eg., candid video capture of commuter/s not giving up seats to elderly, or Que jumping, refusing to give way while driving, refusing to give way to alighting or boarding commuters, etc.
I believe these sort of selfish mentality came about because the emphasis and focus of the system and society is solely on Achieveing Higher Education, Career, and ultimately affluence.
By publicising the acts of these Bad Apples, just like in the Corrective Work Order scheme, I'm sure it will make some real changes.
I have a feeling, Singaporeans can't be GENTLY reminded or 'educated' on ethics and courtesy - again FEAR has to be used....sad... but true. -
From what I noticed and through experience, I find the children of older generations, are 'broader' hearted and have some basic MANNERS, than the newer generations.Originally posted by Cenarious:i blame our coolie ancestors
Our ancestors came from humbler times and frugal lifestyles, hence I believe they are in possession of better VALUES. -
However, do NOTE that while I am fully against Ugly Singaporeans, I/we shouldn't stand for the many loud and ill mannered PRCs in our society as well!
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Of course, we are importing some of the rudest people on this planet (PRCs) as we speak. It's going to be a difficult journey, thats for sure.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Yes, I am fully aware that these are current common traits, but don't be too laxed about it.
With the influx of foreigners into Singapore, one fine day all you locals may find that the person or group of people who finally manages to re-shape Singapore and its government are of foreign origin.
All of the above unsaviory characteristics must be eradicated in due course, meantime ALL OF US must do whatever we can to change the status quo.
In making headway in this area, our government MUST act immediately on the following:
>> Incorporate Courtesy / Graceousness into the education system at all levels
>> Courtesy and Graceousness Campagne must be an on-going thing, not seasonal - keep drumming it in until it is ingrown
>> Courtesy Gotcha group should be put to gether to go around with candid camera to capture ugly Singaporeans and air the footage on national TV; eg., candid video capture of commuter/s not giving up seats to elderly, or Que jumping, refusing to give way while driving, refusing to give way to alighting or boarding commuters, etc.
I believe these sort of selfish mentality came about because the emphasis and focus of the system and society is solely on Achieveing Higher Education, Career, and ultimately affluence.
By publicising the acts of these Bad Apples, just like in the Corrective Work Order scheme, I'm sure it will make some real changes.
I have a feeling, Singaporeans can't be GENTLY reminded or 'educated' on ethics and courtesy - again FEAR has to be used....sad... but true.