Any Truth In It?
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Inflation in the UK has been kept low despite an expanding economy due to cheap imports from China and India, as well as an influx of cheap labour mainly from eastern Europe. To keep inflation low in Singapore, we need to bring in more cheap labour from China.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I think, to know how long these PRCs can come here and wreak havoc to local job market, one should look into China's economic progresses and changes in spotting the onset of INFLATION.
I believe INFLATION in China is inevitable as it is inevitable here in Singapore.
So eventully, it will no longer make profitable sense for PRCs to come here and undercut low-end job wages, as their own cost of living back home increases.
Costs are rising in Chinese coastal cities but as long as there are plenty of poor labourers in the countryside willing to work for a song, their manpower costs will still be far lower than ours. -
Hehehee.. what a joke, keep inflation low in SG?? How low has it gone so far?? Our gov can flood Singapore with FTs and PRCs, and will still find 'reasons' to increase general cost of living!!Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Inflation in the UK has been kept low despite an expanding economy due to cheap imports from China and India, as well as an influx of cheap labour mainly from eastern Europe. To keep inflation low in Singapore, we need to bring in more cheap labour from China.
Costs are rising in Chinese coastal cities but as long as there are plenty of poor labourers in the countryside willing to work for a song, their manpower costs will still be far lower than ours.
Sure, the poor laborers in the countryside of China can ALL afford to fly here and carve out a living to send home - how many? Don't tell me there's no limit? All poors there can afford air tickets here?
China is getting into the same rut as our gov has gotten us into - their income gap is growing. -
I tell you, I'm VERY confident and sure, that one fine day when there are simply TOO MANY PRCs here, and crime / vice committed by PRCs here are exponential, our gov will be doing yet another U-turn by freezing headcount of PRCs coming here.
Singapore is so small, I'm sure those PRCs have a bigger and "freer" country in mind than just Singapore.
They'll go for the next larger currency which is the US Dollar when their living costs goes up in China.
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But we must look at ourselves. Why our low level jobs are being taken over?Originally posted by ShutterBug:This is BAD - for locals that is.
On the other hand, it is GOOD for business operators and companies large or small.
But over the long run, we will have a growing pool of rather bitter and resentful locals who low-end jobs are lost to PRCs.
And mind you, these aren't Talent Intensive occupations that the PRCs are robbing our locals of.
But one glimmer of hope though; one fine day, when China inevitably suffers inflation due to their accelerated growth, these PRCs who excepted low salaries will begin leaving as their salary no longer foot bills back home...
The rule of "What Goes Up, Must Come Down" will always apply, as much as "What Went Down, Will Surely Rise Again"!
SIngaporean are proud and unwilling to work on low level jobs. -
Yes, you have a point there; there are some proud and ego-centric people in our midst. But lets be honest, can you or will you, lower yourself down to say clearing tables at some public food court?? Be honest, don't say YES just to win this debate.Originally posted by antoh:But we must look at ourselves. Why our low level jobs are being taken over?
SIngaporean are proud and unwilling to work on low level jobs.
I mean, in my opinion ok; IF I've spent so much giving myself the education necessary for a respectable occupation, why should I end up clearing tables in some food court? How can I then, recover the cost of education I underwent? I believe this is the most common mentality among our locals, with the exception of the less educated and illiterates.
The less educated and illiterates are finding it hard to compete with these PRC FWs because they CANNOT accept the kind of low salaries that the PRC FWs are taking because of - costs of living. Low-level jobs are taken by non talented PRC FWs, as well as mid, and high level jobs. As such then, what's left for locals??? Our gov is just sitting on the fence and pretending nothing is wrong, because I believe they are having a ball of a time, collecting levees!!!
They are taking good care of the economy, generating money for their coffers, while people are at wits ends trying to make ends meet with all the so called FTs, PRCs FWs and increase of everything from Public Transport to Electricity Tarrifs, to School Fees to medical costs.
Do you think we have a "system" that is working here???
I seriously DOUBT it!
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I think if this trend carries on for another 5 years, the balloon is going toOriginally posted by ShutterBug:Yes, you have a point there; there are some proud and ego-centric people in our midst. But lets be honest, can you or will you, lower yourself down to say clearing tables at some public food court?? Be honest, don't say YES just to win this debate.
I mean, in my opinion ok; IF I've spent so much giving myself the education necessary for a respectable occupation, why should I end up clearing tables in some food court? How can I then, recover the cost of education I underwent? I believe this is the most common mentality among our locals, with the exception of the less educated and illiterates.
The less educated and illiterates are finding it hard to compete with these PRC FWs because they CANNOT accept the kind of low salaries that the PRC FWs are taking because of - costs of living. Low-level jobs are taken by non talented PRC FWs, as well as mid, and high level jobs. As you then, what's left for locals??? Our gov is just sitting on the fence and pretending nothing is wrong, because I believe they are having a ball of a time, collecting levees!!!
They are taking good care of the economy, generating money for their coffers, while people are at wits ends trying to make ends meet with all the so called FTs, PRCs FWs and increase of everything from Public Transport to Electricity Tarrifs, to School Fees to medical costs.
Do you think we have a "system" that is working here???
I seriously DOUBT it!
burst ...... or may be sooner ..... -
That is precisely what I forsee, and it's coming.Originally posted by AnotherView:I think if this trend carries on for another 5 years, the balloon is going to
burst ...... or may be sooner .....
THere is just that much space here in Singapore. How MANY PRCs FWs and FTs can we accomodate??? How much more can the people of Singapore take, from our money-blinded & unfeeling gov??? -
I dont think u r rite, IR will bring live here again!!!Originally posted by AnotherView:I think if this trend carries on for another 5 years, the balloon is going to
burst ...... or may be sooner .....
But this is a devil not human being life!!! those w/o brain will like it n their children will live in hell like Macau!!! -
Yah right....Originally posted by foomwee88:I dont think u r rite, IR will bring live here again!!!
But this is a devil not human being life!!! those w/o brain will like it n their children will live in hell like Macau!!!
There will be MORE PRC scams here when the casinos opens for business!
The kind of crooked ideas they can think up are unbelievable!
Well, that's another kind of "foreign talents" our gov will have to deal with. -
U c all the pawn shops n those who giving up their studies 4 Casino!!! n prostitution!!!Originally posted by ShutterBug:Yah right....
There will be MORE PRC scams here when the casinos opens for business!
The kind of crooked ideas they can think up are unbelievable!
Well, that's another kind of "foreign talents" our gov will have to deal with.
As a parent. we will dam worry where we r heading 2 in Spore????
Can all these GOds go 2 c 4 yrself b4 talk c????I hope yr child is not the one I described!! -
Without all the cheap PRC waitresses, the overheads in your favourite restaurant will be higher and so will prices. Without the cheap bangla and indian attendants in thye hospitals, the cost of cleaning will be higher and so will hospital charges.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Hehehee.. what a joke, keep inflation low in SG?? How low has it gone so far?? Our gov can flood Singapore with FTs and PRCs, and will still find 'reasons' to increase general cost of living!!
Sure, the poor laborers in the countryside of China can ALL afford to fly here and carve out a living to send home - how many? Don't tell me there's no limit? All poors there can afford air tickets here?
China is getting into the same rut as our gov has gotten us into - their income gap is growing.
Air tickets? With the cost of a PRC worker being a fraction of ours, employers will willingly pay for the air tickets. -
If you not have the necessary qualifications and skills to compete, clearing tables may be all you can do. The jobs go to the best man...if you do not measure up to your competitor, you will go down the food chain. That's a fact of life. You can choose to blind yourself to reality or work harder to acquire a skill or qualification that is in demand.Originally posted by ShutterBug:But lets be honest, can you or will you, lower yourself down to say clearing tables at some public food court?? Be honest, don't say YES just to win this debate.IF I've spent so much giving myself the education necessary for a respectable occupation, why should I end up clearing tables in some food court? How can I then, recover the cost of education I underwent?
If you have the education necessary for a 'respectable' occupation (who says clearing tables is not respectable?), you should then pursue the occupation for which you were trained. Of course, if foreigners with the same education and skills are prepared to accept a lower salary, you have to lower your expectations to compete. If you have trained yourself in a sunset industry or one where many already hold similar qualifications, of course you will expect fewer jobs and lower salaries. That's why the disk drive factory operator may have to undergo re-training to work in a high tech clean room in a wafer fab factory.
Nobody owes you a living. If you choose to study paleontology, don't complain you cannot find anyone who wants to hire you to study dinosaurs in Singapore.The less educated and illiterates are finding it hard to compete with these PRC FWs because they CANNOT accept the kind of low salaries that the PRC FWs are taking because of - costs of living.
PRC FWs also have to deal with costs of living issues. In fact, they have a bigger problem because they are charged private rates in government clinics and hospitals. Yet they are willing to come. They are willing to live in a small crowded room with 3 other workers, they are willing to sacrifice material luxuries and can still save enough to send home.
The uneducated and illiterates among Singaporeans will just have to upgrade, get a qualification or else accept such low salaries. It's just too bad. That is why the IR may provide a breather for these people. The casino will be able to employ uneducated and illiterates for low-level service jobs at higher pay than other businesses.
There will always be poor people in society, but in Singapore, the poor have a chance to rise and the key is education. Well-known ST journalist Chua Mui Hoong has a taxi driver for a father but has managed to win scholarships and graduate from Cambridge and Havard. If you are good enough, the system in Singapore allows you to rise above your lowly origins. -
Frankly, I believe the only difference apart from qualifications is expected salaries between a local and FWs (PRC or otherwise). As said, locals cannot live with the kind of salaries an FW can, much to due to ever increasing costs of living. Those who have the necessary skills and qualifications who are young, are facing issues such as lack of experience, expected salaries too high, racial preferences of some employers, language preferences by some employers. While the older ones who have the experience and skills/qualifications are facing age discrimination even though they are willing to accept lower salaries. I don't think I'm the one who's blind / blnded here....Originally posted by oxford mushroom:PRC FWs also have to deal with costs of living issues. In fact, they have a bigger problem because they are charged private rates in government clinics and hospitals. Yet they are willing to come. They are willing to live in a small crowded room with 3 other workers, they are willing to sacrifice material luxuries and can still save enough to send home.
The uneducated and illiterates among Singaporeans will just have to upgrade, get a qualification or else accept such low salaries. It's just too bad. That is why the IR may provide a breather for these people. The casino will be able to employ uneducated and illiterates for low-level service jobs at higher pay than other businesses.
There will always be poor people in society, but in Singapore, the poor have a chance to rise and the key is education. Well-known ST journalist Chua Mui Hoong has a taxi driver for a father but has managed to win scholarships and graduate from Cambridge and Havard. If you are good enough, the system in Singapore allows you to rise above your lowly origins.
I doubt that NOBODY owes the people of Singapore a living, because I still could not find good causes for the people to owe our government the votings every 5 years. Haven't you noted the gradual drop in votes?
Sure of course the PRC FWs and other FWs as well as FTs will face costs of living issues here. And the fact that they are paying private rates in government clinics and hospitals are indicative signs that our gov are gleefully making money from all these influx of job-robbing FWs from PRC and elswhere! Of course they are willing to live under cramp conditions for the
money they can convert back in their country, it's temporary to them. Once they've made enough they will return to homeland - and our 'wise' gov thinks they'd stay and contribute in terms of Tax and babies??? Balls...
The less educated and illiterates will just have to upgrade.. sounds so simple doesn't it? You think cheap to upgrade? If education in Singapore is such a golden key of an opportunity to a career, why the HELL is our government now valuing FTs and FWs more than the locals whom they have "brought up" with their education system?? Lower inflation you say? I say it's
more like runneth over their coffers!! Look at the slew of changes in the current education system now!! All the friggin U-turns that many fedback to them years ago and was ignored!!!
The IRs are just another money making machine for the gov., and when it opens, lets see who the jobs go to... -
Frig.. I'd rather a local or some other FWs take my orders; each time I order something from a PRC waitress, she'd get my orders all wrong. No wonder service standards have dropped!Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Without all the cheap PRC waitresses, the overheads in your favourite restaurant will be higher and so will prices. Without the cheap bangla and indian attendants in thye hospitals, the cost of cleaning will be higher and so will hospital charges.
Air tickets? With the cost of a PRC worker being a fraction of ours, employers will willingly pay for the air tickets.
And if you think PRC FWs can lower costs, then our gov should employ them in Singapore Power, MOE, MOH, SMRT, Comfort Delgro, so that all these costs will go down! You think??
And I've yet to hear from my fellow business buddies fly in a rural chap from China... -
Are we talking about migrants or foreign labours ?? FL are not here to stay (legal sense) and they are the one who snap up all the low level jops. I believes that these are the jops that sg people are not willing to work.
migrants are here to stay (longer terms despite some use us as a stepping stone) and they are the one who will be in direct competition with us and our children. They are well educated and hardworking, and this is the target group of the gov to boost our overall competitions.
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frankly, we cant separate them clearly anymore.Originally posted by justcooler:Are we talking about migrants or foreign labours ?? FL are not here to stay (legal sense) and they are the one who snap up all the low level jops. I believes that these are the jops that sg people are not willing to work.
migrants are here to stay (longer terms despite some use us as a stepping stone) and they are the one who will be in direct competition with us and our children. They are well educated and hardworking, and this is the target group of the gov to boost our overall competitions.
Who are we talking about -
I can gel with idea that "migrants who are here to stay (the long term and truly talented ones)" who can contribute positively. But the gov has no filtration system in place, resulting in all sorts of low lifes and unskilled PRCs taking up all levels of jobs.Originally posted by justcooler:Are we talking about migrants or foreign labours ?? FL are not here to stay (legal sense) and they are the one who snap up all the low level jops. I believes that these are the jops that sg people are not willing to work.
migrants are here to stay (longer terms despite some use us as a stepping stone) and they are the one who will be in direct competition with us and our children. They are well educated and hardworking, and this is the target group of the gov to boost our overall competitions.
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Well back to the old storyOriginally posted by ShutterBug:I can gel with idea that "migrants who are here to stay (the long term and truly talented ones)" who can contribute positively. But the gov has no filtration system in place, resulting in all sorts of low lifes and unskilled PRCs taking up all levels of jobs.
System is robust, but people running may have over look some points
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The market will decide. If these unskilled PRCs are so undesirable and our locals are so much better in skills and work attitude, then our employers will stop hiring them. Are FWs good value for money? Let the market decide..Originally posted by ShutterBug:I can gel with idea that "migrants who are here to stay (the long term and truly talented ones)" who can contribute positively. But the gov has no filtration system in place, resulting in all sorts of low lifes and unskilled PRCs taking up all levels of jobs. -
Yeah, let the market decide while our earnest locals suffer job losses, right?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The market will decide. If these unskilled PRCs are so undesirable and our locals are so much better in skills and work attitude, then our employers will stop hiring them. Are FWs good value for money? Let the market decide.. -
I know why our dogs like PRC 2 come in here!!!
Corrupted $ 2 feed our Casinos!!!!same as Indon $ 5 yrs ago!!!
Very smart move,but we pay for the social illness!~!!!