Are Singaporeans pathetic?
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Hope it don't happen in the next 10 yearsOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Dynasty? Not my problem. If the dynasty falls, I'll be finally proud to call myself a Singaporean.
The one is going to suffer is me and you, not them.
If the old guard has past away by then, pray hard that he will honour his words 'raise up from my grave and make things straight'
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The Lee Dynasty will always stay.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Dynasty? Not my problem. If the dynasty falls, I'll be finally proud to call myself a Singaporean.
Remember, we have
- Prime Minister
- Senior Minister
- Minister Mentor
- Minister Supreme
- God Supreme Minister
Ever heard of other country hold their power untill like that?
Even China's Jiang Zemin, Teng Xiaopeng also step down after their post.
USA's Bill Clinton also having a good retirement life, same goes to former Thailand, Indonesia and ASEAN countries...
So even if an opposite party take over the govt and attains the position of Prime Minister, there will still be PAP's SM, MM, MS, GSM to prevent this new revolution from happening. -
advocating revolution and dictatorship is a highly seditious act, in my personal opinion.
Like it or not, there is a Constitution, and on it is written Republic of Singapore.That's whatt should be enforced, not any cult of personality.The quicker we rely less on one man, the faster we can say that Singapore has become a truly developed democracy.
Remember that no man, much less a family, has a right to claim sole authority to exercise power for life.Thats why we have institutions to govern a nation. -
We actually have a Constitution???Originally posted by LazerLordz:advocating revolution and dictatorship is a highly seditious act, in my personal opinion.
Like it or not, there is a Constitution, and on it is written Republic of Singapore.That's whatt should be enforced, not any cult of personality.The quicker we rely less on one man, the faster we can say that Singapore has become a truly developed democracy.
Remember that no man, much less a family, has a right to claim sole authority to exercise power for life.Thats why we have institutions to govern a nation.
heheheheeeheheheeeeee......
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Well, at this point I agree with you. some canteens in science parks had all food served on trays, and proper disposal points for tray returns, very much like the army camps, and I see everybody left bones and shell on the trays and trays are returned. I see this happened automatically, whether those who came in workers overall or suit and tie. If we do that for all hawker centers, I agree we should and I believe singaporeans will, return all trays leaving the tables clean without the need for cleaners. I will join you in shooting those who don't.Originally posted by BillyBong:Were you taught to return your food trays while in school? Or do you expect someone to do it for you?
Know what that's called? The 'MM' or 'maid mentality'.
Granted some good habits go the way of the dodo after a while. And with no proper designated disposal points in food courts or hawker centers, one can be forgiven if they promptly leave their leftovers all over the table, expecting paid cleaners to do their job.
But if you have it in yourself to maintain some dignity and cleanliness, you can pack up your finished plates neatly and clean up the leftovers on the table with the used utensils. Unfortunately, few if any are prepared to 'dirty their fingers' and will defer all such responsibility to the cleaners.
I certainly do not kowtow to ang mohs, but where diginity and good habits are concerned, they will always be several rungs above us. I can possibly understand how many of them still view Asians as primitives, even if i resent that ideal.
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Originally posted by wisefool83:
actually, so far none of the people in the discussion of this thread had resorted to name calling. I am only refer to the angmoh friend of whoever wrote to the papers. Have not taken anybody personally, but am willing to answer to those who think the angmoh ways are better ways. There are good and bad in every society, no one society is better or superior than the others. Leave out the angmoh and I will leave you guys argue about the dynasty.
HEY PEOPLE!! Lets not politicalise the subject here. One doesn't have to be pro-PAP or anti-PAP, go with the flow or think differently in order to make our society a more pleasant place to live in. Courtesy, politeness and simple considerations for others are societal issues that we can change on our own.
To Sgdiehard, don't take it too personally that some offensive words appeared in the course of the debate. You keep saying that its we or some of us "bad-naming" you. But I think that in such discussion, what is important is that there is [b]no you or me, only us, and it goes the same to all my fellow Singaporeans.
As a society, we cannot keep segregating ourselves, working class from ruling class, or freedom seekers from opressors. Dude, we are only talking about changing our own behaviours to make things and live easier for all of us. And I think Lazerlords did mention a few of these very simple things that we can do, like putting the bones back into the plate after we finish our meals.
There may be differences in our experiences in the society, some of us see more people who perform courtesy deeds, some less. Doesn't matter, so long we pass on a simple smile to each person who performed a courtesy deed and remind those around us not to perform the rude ones, things can change within time.
Every society has its problems and some of us suits in one better than the other. There's absolutely nothing wrong in leaving for another place if one finds that Singapore absolutely doesn't suit his/her lifestyle, but neither can we just leave everytime a problem is observed in a society. I mean, you see something that you don't like and you run away? When will you be able to settle down then? Nothing is improved by those who run away from a problem but by those who actively seek to change it.[/b] -
Originally posted by pinkish purple papayas:
The above assessment can only be seen in the internet.For the govt propaganda media,it is all rosy pictures.
How about lets compile a list of Singapore in World Rankings?
-[b] Highest Suicidal Cases - Not sure about the rank, definately one of the highest in Asia. I guess only Japan wins us. Ask any of your Police friends, i bet they have many stories to tell
- Most Stressful - Contender to be the most stressful society in Asia, if not the World!
- Myopic eyesight - Undisputed number 1 in the world! stop ill treating our eyes!
- Unhappiest Nation - Ranked 131 out of 178 countries. Survey done by a British-based report.
- Press Freedom - Ranked 140 out of 167 countries. Reported by Reporters without borders
- Courtesy - Ranked 130 out of 178 countries. Surveyed by Happy Planet index
- Sex Performance - we have poor sex, even oral sex is illegal here.
- Executions - Highest execution rate on per capital in the World
- Sexual Activities - Singaporeans having the least sex per week in the world, even our neighbours malaysia and workaholic Japan has more sex frequency then us.
- Automobile - More cars and car expenses are the most expensive in the world.
- Ciggies - So are our ciggies
- Childless Society - was it 1.5 child per couple. We need 2.1 to replace ourself.
- Emigration - 26 migrants per 1000 citizens, 2nd highest in the world.
- Highest paid ministers - I don't know the rankings, but it one of this highest paid ministries too right?
- Strongest "democratic" Mandate - only 2 opposition seats in a parliament of whites. Strongest in the world.
- Soccer aka Passion - Ranked 115 in 178 countries? or was it 98?
Anymore i can add?
oh of course, u want to hear what u guys love to hear too right?
yeah...
1st in Airport
1st in following rules
1st in internet
1st in hardworking
1st in HDB
1st in ISD snooping around
1st in etc etc....
What else??
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Maybe we should take some time reading Analects, Meng'zi?
There are many "ways" of behaving written in the Analects. Meng'zi's first chapter tells what Meng'zi thinks will happens when a country empathize too much on benefits ("li4").
Analects, "not to do to others as you would not wish done to yourself" -
Some Mod delete this? Made a double post accidentlyOriginally posted by Hogzilla:Maybe we should take some time reading Analects, Meng'zi?
There are many "ways" of behaving written in the Analects. Meng'zi's first chapter tells what Meng'zi thinks will happens when a country empathize too much on benefits ("li4")
Analects, "not to do to others as you would not wish done to yourself" -
Originally posted by pinkish purple papayas:
How about lets compile a list of Singapore in World Rankings?
-[b] Highest Suicidal Cases - Not sure about the rank, definately one of the highest in Asia. I guess only Japan wins us. Ask any of your Police friends, i bet they have many stories to tell
- Most Stressful - Contender to be the most stressful society in Asia, if not the World!
- Myopic eyesight - Undisputed number 1 in the world! stop ill treating our eyes!
- Unhappiest Nation - Ranked 131 out of 178 countries. Survey done by a British-based report.
- Press Freedom - Ranked 146 out of 167 countries. Reported by Reporters without borders
- Courtesy - Ranked 130 out of 178 countries. Surveyed by Happy Planet index
- Sex Performance - we have poor sex, even oral sex is illegal here.
- Executions - Highest execution rate on per capital in the World
- Sexual Activities - Singaporeans having the least sex per week in the world, even our neighbours malaysia and workaholic Japan has more sex frequency then us.
- Automobile - More cars and car expenses are the most expensive in the world.
- Ciggies - So are our ciggies
- Childless Society - was it 1.5 child per couple. We need 2.1 to replace ourself.
- Emigration - 26 migrants per 1000 citizens, 2nd highest in the world.
- Highest paid ministers - I don't know the rankings, but it one of this highest paid ministries too right?
- Strongest "democratic" Mandate - only 2 opposition seats in a parliament of whites. Strongest in the world.
- Soccer aka Passion - Ranked 115 in 178 countries? or was it 98?
Anymore i can add?
oh of course, u want to hear what u guys love to hear too right?
yeah...
1st in Airport
1st in following rules
1st in internet
1st in hardworking
1st in HDB
1st in ISD snooping around
1st in etc etc....
What else??
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we're on both ends of the scales.
First in so many things and last in more things.