Pls let us know if u r really poor n helpless!!!!
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pride!!Originally posted by foomwee88:Why they will not call 4 helps???? -
upgrading is useful for people with academic qualifications.
e,g, a u grade taking a professional course.
it means nothing for someone with primary school education to upgrade. -
Developed country status, developing country pay
so cannot expect much
Upgrading is only suitable for young to middle age people, that still have some working life to spare.
Retain a 50 - 60 year old guy with minimum education, who is going to hire him after graduation???
The Gov ?? -
I don't think it's true that people only commit suicide when there is no way out. Take for example a student who suicide jumped because of academic expectations. His future is bright, yet he still chose death. And, what about those big starving families in Africa? Why do parents choose to live even when they have watched their children die of malnourishment? I'm a big believer that there is always an alternative to death. A family can be seen as a huge burden but it can also be seen as a source of emotional support. Something worth fighting for. It's just that when you are depressed, you can only see the negative side of things and death is so tempting.
I find it sad that people think the only source of help comes from the government. Can't find a partner? SDU. Don't know how to bond with your neighborhood? RC. Every single thing has to be facilitated by the Government. Our society is so disunited that people find it hard to ask each other for help. Before, society is more tightly-knit. There is a sense of 'village spirit'. Then, when times are bad, people look towards each other for help. Now, we look towards the government for help and try to hide our troubles from each other, because we don't want to feel ashamed. There's 'pride' at stake.
And no please, the question is not how we can improve the RC to build community spirit. It's how WE can build improve community spirit. There was no RC before and they did just fine. You want to know why we prefer to have the RC? Cuz then the responsibility is pushed to the government. If they screw up, we can just blame them. See a poor man walking down the street? Go back home, post in forums complaining about the government. Furthermore, we have this fake beggars begging for money when there are other people who are ALOT more needy than they are. Yet, they are the ones getting the help. It's ridiculous. -
Actually hor, some(I dunno abt the real situation, at least some of my neighbours belongs to the "some" catalogue) of the old people's children/grandchildren DO give them $$ one, but they dun want to idle at home and no people will employ them, so they go pick drink cans lor.Originally posted by PoRen:You see everywhere in Sgp - old people (some not so old) picking up drink cans and cardboards. -
Then all these CDC n Rcs r setting up 4 fun is it???
This bloody sg gov had sucked enough blood from us,ERP,COE, GST, Road Tax n all kind of taxes on electricity n water bills!!!
We hve oreli strangled to death by the cost of living daily n yearly!!these all r created by this learned gov!!!
I hope one day 2 c a revolution in Spore!!!! -
What makes me angrier, is that these government bodies that are supposedly set up to help people in need, are keppin SO QUIET over this incident.
ANd I'd wouldn't be surprised that the gov may even have the bloody cheek to prohibit public from donating to families of people who commits suicide, in their view that others may follow because of the donation outcome.
I won't be surprised at all...
We have about 4.5 years to remind people what they vote for, and what they will get in return.
They may be good in lubricating the engine of our economic machine for their own revenue gains, but they sure as hell suck in caring for the people! -
Originally posted by Hogzilla:
I think this is bullshit !
Actually hor, some(I dunno abt the real situation, at least some of my neighbours belongs to the "some" catalogue) of the old people's children/grandchildren [b]DO give them $$ one, but they dun want to idle at home and no people will employ them, so they go pick drink cans lor.[/b]
Unless circumstances does not allow, no children will let their aged parents or grandparents stoop so low.
If these old people are bored at home, can always volunteer to do more meaningful work.
It's has to be hardship. Otherwise they are mentally ill, which is also caused by unfavourable circumstances. -
Worst still! the RC still has the cheek to offer help to manage the donation fund for the deceased family . The stupid mp also mentioned that the $ was from the public that the deceased family should not spend it any how?? her statement really made me sick , a typical PAP MP who likes to teach us how 2 f to produce baby!!!Originally posted by ShutterBug:What makes me angrier, is that these government bodies that are supposedly set up to help people in need, are keppin SO QUIET over this incident.
ANd I'd wouldn't be surprised that the gov may even have the bloody cheek to prohibit public from donating to families of people who commits suicide, in their view that others may follow because of the donation outcome.
I won't be surprised at all...
We have about 4.5 years to remind people what they vote for, and what they will get in return.
They may be good in lubricating the engine of our economic machine for their own revenue gains, but they sure as hell suck in caring for the people!
A life has been lost and I strongly feel that our sg gov shd look into the matter seriouly n we on the hand shd provide ideas as to how we can prevent it 2 happen again ,if possible. -
RC offers to help?Originally posted by foomwee88:Worst still! the RC still has the cheek to offer help to manage the donation fund for the deceased family . The stupid mp also mentioned that the $ was from the public that the deceased family should not spend it any how?? her statement really made me sick , a typical PAP MP who likes to teach us how 2 f to produce baby!!!
A life has been lost and I strongly feel that our sg gov shd look into the matter seriouly n we on the hand shd provide ideas as to how we can prevent it 2 happen again ,if possible.
it is none of their business how the family spends the money. it is theirs to keep, nothing to do with anyone else.
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The MP from the RC said this "The stupid mp also mentioned that the $ was from the public that the should not spend it any how?? "
Astonishing !!!!!
Dear forumers,
Don't state that the gov is not doing anything, they did
"don't give them the fish, teach them how to fish"
Teach the deceased family members how to invest and grow the donated money ??? Then can pay tax on the investment ????
This MP very good, double up as a financial agent, very diligent indeed.
They should prevent it from happening and not damage control to score political points -
Which is why it's not about the party in power too, we have to change the whole system of doing things here. The need to free up the people's mindset is very important.Originally posted by ShutterBug:What makes me angrier, is that these government bodies that are supposedly set up to help people in need, are keppin SO QUIET over this incident.
ANd I'd wouldn't be surprised that the gov may even have the bloody cheek to prohibit public from donating to families of people who commits suicide, in their view that others may follow because of the donation outcome.
I won't be surprised at all...
We have about 4.5 years to remind people what they vote for, and what they will get in return.
They may be good in lubricating the engine of our economic machine for their own revenue gains, but they sure as hell suck in caring for the people!
What we have today, is a bunch of citizens who will not use their own mind for most part.. and a party in power that is shockingly myopic and lacking in basic EQ. -
Tell the RC go and fly layang!!!Originally posted by foomwee88:Worst still! the RC still has the cheek to offer help to manage the donation fund for the deceased family . The stupid mp also mentioned that the $ was from the public that the deceased family should not spend it any how?? her statement really made me sick , a typical PAP MP who likes to teach us how 2 f to produce baby!!!
A life has been lost and I strongly feel that our sg gov shd look into the matter seriouly n we on the hand shd provide ideas as to how we can prevent it 2 happen again ,if possible.
KNN... when money comes, suddenly so initiative!
Want to collect money say so lah! KNNB!!
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Lacking??? What lacking??Originally posted by LazerLordz:Which is why it's not about the party in power too, we have to change the whole system of doing things here. The need to free up the people's mindset is very important.
What we have today, is a bunch of citizens who will not use their own mind for most part.. and a party in power that is shockingly myopic and lacking in basic EQ.
They bluddy don't have any god damned EQ!!!!
FARKED!!! -
Wah lan.. this incident makes me damn hot!! -
If you are a employer, who will you choose to sponsor for training in ITE?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Why should anyone give fish to the man who refuses to fish for himself? Trainees at ITE programmes are given a salary whilst they train for a job. It is sure better than being unemployed and walking the streets. It is also easier for the social worker to get the family on various benefit schemes if one is satisfied that the family is doing everything possible to improve their financial situation.
The poor man must demonstrate a willingness to help himself and he will then be eligible for the various assistance schemes available.
(1) Young teenager attending ITE aged 16 -20
(2) Young Foreign Talent aged 16-20
(3) Experienced Foreign Talent (probably do not need training)
(4) Odd-job labourer currently unemployed, aged 46 (eg. Mr Tan)
(5) Retiree, aged 66 -
If the young teenager has a father to pay for him, why should anyone sponsor him? On the other extreme, if it is a 66-year old retiree with young children who would have to rely on public funds if he cannot find a job, it certainly makes good sense to sponsor him for training.Originally posted by ObviousMan:If you are a employer, who will you choose to sponsor for training in ITE?
(1) Young teenager attending ITE aged 16 -20
(2) Young Foreign Talent aged 16-20
(3) Experienced Foreign Talent (probably do not need training)
(4) Odd-job labourer currently unemployed, aged 46 (eg. Mr Tan)
(5) Retiree, aged 66 -
sponsor a 66-yr-old for training?
dont make me laugh!!! -
Yes!!!Originally posted by Mospeada:Yes....we were told before on TV from someone BIG...that there is no free lunch in singapore
The f u c k e r is so mean that no free lunch in singapore!!! -
I fully support your ideal...let's do it....Originally posted by foomwee88:No, I dont think it is the gov fault!!!!
It is our society fault!!!!
we cant save a life!!!!!!
How 2 resolve it ????
I think we shd set up a fund for the needy sporeans who r really poor n helpless!!!
Shall I suggest SG forum to start a ball rolling!!!!i
Don't wait or expect from our freaking govt!!! -
Ranking order: 4, 2, 1, 5, 3.Originally posted by ObviousMan:If you are a employer, who will you choose to sponsor for training in ITE?
(1) Young teenager attending ITE aged 16 -20
(2) Young Foreign Talent aged 16-20
(3) Experienced Foreign Talent (probably do not need training)
(4) Odd-job labourer currently unemployed, aged 46 (eg. Mr Tan)
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According to the report in Lianhe Zaobao today the family was receiveing financial help from various help from both Government and charity org including 800 dollars per month into his CPF account to pay for the HDB flat and $1000 per year for one of his son's pocket money and monthly $150-200 allowance from Ci Ji charity. He later stopped receiving these helps after he had a more stable job and the family income was above 1400. After he lost his most recent job however, he did not seek help from any of the organisations. His wife said that he felt that they shouldn't trouble other people all the time.
So in this case, its not that nobody is willing to help him or that he didn't know how to get help. He just chose to die which could be due to clinical depression or (with all due respect), a weakness in his character. I think there is a general feeling that "all dead people are good" and not a lot of people would like to explore the idea of if the suicide victim had any part to play in his own tradegy. -
The really poor and helpless do not have the luxury nor
knowledge of using the Internet Forums. -
Originally posted by wisefool83:
depression can happen to anyone, nothing to do with character.
According to the report in Lianhe Zaobao today the family was receiveing financial help from various help from [b]both Government and charity org including 800 dollars per month into his CPF account to pay for the HDB flat and $1000 per year for one of his son's pocket money and monthly $150-200 allowance from Ci Ji charity. He later stopped receiving these helps after he had a more stable job and the family income was above 1400. After he lost his most recent job however, he did not seek help from any of the organisations. His wife said that he felt that they shouldn't trouble other people all the time.
So in this case, its not that nobody is willing to help him or that he didn't know how to get help. He just chose to die which could be due to clinical depression or (with all due respect), a weakness in his character. I think there is a general feeling that "all dead people are good" and not a lot of people would like to explore the idea of if the suicide victim had any part to play in his own tradegy. [/b] -
Most people with depression do not commit suicide. It is irresponsible and selfish.Originally posted by dragg:depression can happen to anyone, nothing to do with character.