who r at fault n how to prevent this tragedy 2 happen again?
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May God bless u!!!Originally posted by IronBandit:Thank you for speaking Oxford.
Welfarism promotes a dependent culture this I totally agree. and not just that it also reduces the country's economy as people would not want to work as they compare and think, "If I don't work I still get to eat, Govt will feed me."
And if every single person in that country have the same idea the country will go bankrupt.
The poor nees to be help only if they need to be and ask for it. Conditions is a must so must leeways and flexibility must be adopted as well.
foomwee88 please read the thread by oxford mushroom.
oxford I can't agree with you more on some of the points
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Apprently you do have some qualities we all don't see.
and for your information you are the 1st person here to start your personal attacks on others just because they have a different view from you and you seems to be like the Govt you oppose.
Everyone here in the forum can have their own contrubution and ideas and you for the last person have the right to ask people to shut up.
Since you have so many"rich" friends (bull Shi.t again) show us some actions and ask them to help. I highly doubt so you are able to do so as you are nothing but an 1/4 filled bottle that keep shaking and making noise only.
You are all words and no action person, but your noise is greatly is appreciated and hope you have less in the future.
Next time you think about asking other to keep their ideas to themselves try asking that to yourself 1st.
Unlike you, who is so finaicailly capable to give to your so called "charity". I can't afford to say i do but i give my time and sweat to help.
You can continue to say what ever you want as I think you have every right to do so but it only speaks lesser of you as a person.Originally posted by foomwee88:I m a stupid person n only has a PSLE education level!!!
But I will not like 2 argue with ppls who r below that level!!!!
I hve overseas frds come over here to discuss million $ project n hve an analytical mind to discuss wat to do n how to prevent the tragedy happen again ,if possible.
We hve paid the deceased last respect n donated $ to the deceased family.
My wife n our family had donated $ every month to the charitable orgs except the Gods Orgs like NKF.
We r a poor family n with very low EQ n poor children but we show our heart 2 help whoever really poors n hve good family!!! -
In regarding the bank idea, there is already one, with high interest rate, minimum deposit requirement (at least $10 a month) and low interest rate in loans - Telecom Credit Cooperative, I have a account with them but I doubt man S'poreans knew of it existenceOriginally posted by foomwee88:which of the above is/r workable in Spore???
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iS IT IN sPORE???Originally posted by Texcoco II:In regarding the bank idea, there is already one, with high interest rate, minimum deposit requirement (at least $10 a month) and low interest rate in loans - Telecom Credit Cooperative, I have a account with them but I doubt man S'poreans knew of it existence -
Yes it is in Singapore its located at Killiney Road opposite the big Singtel building. Its called TCC in short
They have few rules to opening an account.Originally posted by foomwee88:iS IT IN sPORE??? -
Totally agree here.Originally posted by countdracula:the problem is the govt's perception of a welfare state....to be totally anti-welfarism is also wrong....we must understand and accept that there are people in desperate need....i wasn't aware of the cadc refusing to help part but i'm not surprised....the so-called assistance are always inadequate and conditional.....in the end it's more punitive than helpful....
the grossly uneven wealth distribution in sg is another worring trend where the elite have too much in excess.. take the sgx chairman, he got a 80% bonus or rise in proportion to the firm's profitability, but does every sgx employee enjoy 80% too? if sg can take billions of dollars in business risk through temasek and other vehicles, should't sg take the risk in its own people? the dead man's son apparently did reasonably ok in his studies so the hope of them moving out of the poverty trap is good.....until we temper economic well-being with compassion, 1st class society is still very distant....
The government had made everyone think that social welfare is a dirty word.
Not everything can be measured in monetary terms
and with respect to a country economic wealth.
Social welfare is suppose to save lives.
How much effect will it be on the rich???
While personally I don't care even if our jobless rate become
slightly higher due to welfare system.
The society natural forces will look down on those who
do not work hard afterall, and there are others more hungry
for money and power.
A country's economic success shld not only benefit those who are rich/elites.
Society shld not be measures entirely in economic terms.
Wealth shld be used to save lives too.
Perhaps what we need is to strike a better balance.
Current situation is far from it.
Our country growth relies too much on economy measurement.
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u see, the government knows that there are many rich pple out there who'll come forth in such instances.Originally posted by Rock^Star:The wife already got more than $300k from public donations right? Govt couldn't care less, there's always help from somewhere.
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ANOTHER SLEEPLESS 9!!!!
THINKING OVER THESE INCIDENTS WHICH WE CANT HELP BUT JUST GO 2 THE WAKE!!!! -
On the other hand, we must be worried that this is the start of a trend. People see that Singaporeans give so generously for their family, then it will only serve to convince them fully that they should go do the same thing too.
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I dont think these ppls jumped at the MRT line just thinking of the $ contributed to the family at a later date.Originally posted by nanren4ever:On the other hand, we must be worried that this is the start of a trend. People see that Singaporeans give so generously for their family, then it will only serve to convince them fully that they should go do the same thing too.
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We should never depend on the Govt unless we really need to. I come from a low income family when I was young but my parents both work hard to bring us out of it by taking two jobs each.
Commiting sucide and hoping the public would do some charity to you is the most loser way to end. We as humans should have the fighting spirit to push ourselves out of the hole heaven that was created.
Dependency will never work in present time.
I believe everyone in this forum also "fight hard" everyday in their work so that they are able to put food on the table and provide for the shelter for themselves and their loved ones? Or you wouldn't have free time at night to write in the forum? -
There are ways to prevent such tragedies from happening, but only if govt cooperates with its people. As far as I see it, these are the main things in the way of progress :
1 - Government does not acknowledge the seriousness of certain problems and prefers to silence its critics with a heavy hand.
2 - Govt has become too elitist and disconnected with the people.
3 - Govt has become poor at addressing today's issues due to point 1 & 2, and therefore the solutions they come up with often seem inadequate, even inappropriate .. sometimes appearing to amount to poor usage of public funds - Hip hop MPs? progress pkg?
4 - Too few facilities to get help from, too much red tape, people are not educated on how and where to get help - see point 1 (to show a strong initiative to help people in unfortunate circumstances is to admit that a serious problem exists)
5 - People have become reluctant to speak up or seek help because the Government has turned "Welfare" into a dirty word. Understandably, people do not want to be part of the "certain problems" (see point 1)
Therefore, in order for any real progress to be made, it is the government that has to open up and cooperate with its people. Recognition is the first step towards a solution. If the govt sends a signal that it is ready to address the issue and acknowledge its seriousness, it would be surprised at the number of people / organisations that will step forward and offer assistance to work with them towards a viable solution. -
Originally posted by spinsugar:
Very well said!!!
There are ways to prevent such tragedies from happening, but only if govt cooperates with its people. As far as I see it, these are the main things in the way of progress :
1 - Government does not acknowledge the seriousness of certain problems and prefers to silence its critics with a heavy hand.
2 - Govt has become too elitist and disconnected with the people.
3 - Govt has become poor at addressing today's issues due to point 1 & 2, and therefore the solutions they come up with often seem inadequate, even inappropriate .. sometimes appearing to amount to poor usage of public funds - Hip hop MPs? progress pkg?
4 - Too few facilities to get help from, too much red tape, people are not educated on how and where to get help - see point 1 (to show a strong initiative to help people in unfortunate circumstances is to admit that a serious problem exists)
5 - People have become reluctant to speak up or seek help because the Government has turned "Welfare" into a dirty word. Understandably, people do not want to be part of the "certain problems" (see point 1)
Therefore, in order for any real progress to be made, it is the government that has to open up and cooperate with its people. [b]Recognition is the first step towards a solution. If the govt sends a signal that it is ready to address the issue and acknowledge its seriousness, it would be surprised at the number of people / organisations that will step forward and offer assistance to work with them towards a viable solution.
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Recognition is the key word!!!Dont assume ppls want 2 cheat $ 2 seek help!!!Just like noboby wants 2 get sick 2 be admitted to hospital!!!