can ah-how be helped too?
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Yup. u can't bring back a dead person alive. That's the meaning.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:I agree with campboy.
There are too many questionable points in this case. But I don't quite agree with the mental illness defense. While anything can trigger it and make him a mad man, there's no evidence pointing so. What Huang Na did can't be verified, she's dead. -
one waiting for gallow and another was enjoying $$$ from "warm" donation back in China.
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Majority of Singaporeans are in favour of the death penalty, especially when it involves heinous crimes like child murder. Just go the coffee shop and ask the uncles there what they think of the Huang Na case...Originally posted by bryanseb:If u r the judge, would u want ah-how to die? OR just serve his sentence in jail for life? -
To defence psychiatrists, everyone has a mental illness. Just follow a typical murder case in the US. You can always find a psychiatrist or failing that, a psychologist willing to testify that the defendant has some form of mental illness.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:First leak, how can Took be allowed to work in Singapore when he does have a mental illness. His family is based in Malaysia and yet Took is coming to work in Singapore alone.
Second, if Took really does have a schizophrenic disorder, why does it come up at the purported time of Huang Na's death? Was there any trigger for such a psychotic episode? -
Which is why I am against Singapore importing each and every foreigner while labelling them as talents when they are in fact a liability.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:To defence psychiatrists, everyone has a mental illness. Just follow a typical murder case in the US. You can always find a psychiatrist or failing that, a psychologist willing to testify that the defendant has some form of mental illness. -
That is a sweeping statement and smacks of discrimination of the worst kind. Most foreign workers are not criminals and there are more Singaporean criminals and murderers than foreign ones.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Which is why I am against Singapore importing each and every foreigner while labelling them as talents when they are in fact a liability. -
I agreeeOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Personally, I would not sentence him to death. After all, the case, in my opinion, is suspicious, but sadly we do not have an extradition treaty with China.
If I could, I would subpoena the girl's mother and detain her for further investigation.
Sometimes i feel that there shld be a honest poll conducted whereby the citizen can select either the death sentence or life sentence.
frankly,i see no reason why anyone shld pay the price by being hung.
Every parents would have already felth the pain when they learned of their child committing such hideous crimes and for the jury system to have such criminals sentenced to death would pug the wound deeper.
Sentencing these criminals to death or life imprisioment in fact makes no real difference.
The only difference is see is the saving in budget from their 3 course meals.
Everyone shld indeed be given a second chance,be it to learn from their mistakes or start life afresh. -
What difference does it really make?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Majority of Singaporeans are in favour of the death penalty, especially when it involves heinous crimes like child murder. Just go the coffee shop and ask the uncles there what they think of the Huang Na case...
Lets say the murderer was hung,then again so what?
the deceased is not going to rise from their graves.
So why not juz life imprisionment,whereby they can review their hideous actions and even the possiblility of starting afresh
Condeming others to the gallow due to overburst of emotion,even when they have indeed comitted a heavy crime is a NONO -
Our president is just a puppet figure. Only good for ceremonies like NDP and doing charity. No REAL Executive power to sack PM.Originally posted by mhcampboy:No more already. Last time can appeal to Queens Counsel...
Now LKY abolished it...so President is the last line...
If his advisors... ermm...President says no... so no lor...
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IndeedOriginally posted by highway69:Our president is just a puppet figure. Only good for ceremonies like NDP and doing charity. No REAL Executive power to sack PM.
I'm sure its still vivid in many minds when ong teng chiong had to step down when he tried to intervene in the state finance -
But what about the victim and his family? They will never have a second chance to start afresh.Originally posted by 0lala:What difference does it really make?
Lets say the murderer was hung,then again so what?
the deceased is not going to rise from their graves.
So why not juz life imprisionment,whereby they can review their hideous actions and even the possiblility of starting afresh
Condeming others to the gallow due to overburst of emotion,even when they have indeed comitted a heavy crime is a NONO
It is the right of the victim's family to see retribution meted out to the perpetrator of a crime against a loved one. That is the reason the victim's family often request to observe the execution of a murderer. They need to see it to get closure.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth , a life for a life. -
I understand what u meanOriginally posted by oxford mushroom:But what about the victim and his family? They will never have a second chance to start afresh.
It is the right of the victim's family to see retribution meted out to the perpetrator of a crime against a loved one. That is the reason the victim's family often request to observe the execution of a murderer. They need to see it to get closure.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth , a life for a life.
But as i mentioned,it will only be an outburst of emotions.
no doubt the victim's family will nv have a chance to start afresh.but sentencing the murderer to death will make no difference.
sentencing him jzu for the famiyl to get closure?i've said,it will be juz an outburst of emotion. -
i just hate the double standards they used to handle criminal cases.
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u dun know lee kuan yew playing games behind arOriginally posted by Ito_^:i just hate the double standards they used to handle criminal cases. -
How can it be a sweeping statement if you have read the first sentence? Not every foreigner is a talent that is good for Singapore. Discrimination can also mean social sercurity for the locals, such scrutiny of the foreigners will allow better control of socially damaging psychopaths from being a drain to our taxpayers.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:That is a sweeping statement and smacks of discrimination of the worst kind. Most foreign workers are not criminals and there are more Singaporean criminals and murderers than foreign ones. -
Then to be consistent, we must impose the same rule on our own citizens. You talk about psychopaths. Should Singaporeans who are diagnosed with a psychopathic, anti-social personality be jailed for life as a preventive measure? Or banish them from Singapore on Pulau Sudong or Pulau Senang?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:How can it be a sweeping statement if you have read the first sentence? Not every foreigner is a talent that is good for Singapore. Discrimination can also mean social sercurity for the locals, such scrutiny of the foreigners will allow better control of socially damaging psychopaths from being a drain to our taxpayers.
In any case, who said Ah Hao is a psychopath?
No one is guilty till proven in a court of law. How do you know that a foreign worker is going to be a threat to society before he has committed a crime? -
No, I am suggesting that Singapore be choosy over who it allows in as foreign talents. Those that are already citizens and are looping mad are the government's responsibility as well as the family's burden. (The single citizenship thing. And no, you can't deport a citizen who is mentally ill.) Of course, Singapore should not let in people who have a history of psychotic episodes to work in Singapore.(Which means that such foreign talents must declare that they are wholly sane before a work permit is issued and thus be disallowed to bring in their medical histories of psychotic espisodes from abroad.)Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Then to be consistent, we must impose the same rule on our own citizens. You talk about psychopaths. Should Singaporeans who are diagnosed with a psychopathic, anti-social personality be jailed for life as a preventive measure? Or banish them from Singapore on Pulau Sudong or Pulau Senang?
In any case, who said Ah Hao is a psychopath?
No one is guilty till proven in a court of law. How do you know that a foreign worker is going to be a threat to society before he has committed a crime?
Ah Hao family tried to use the mentally mad loop hole to allow Ah Hao to escape the gallows.(They claimed Ah Hao had schizophrenic problems and thus should be given a lighter sentence.)
In fact, Ah Hao's family tried to bring in Ah Hao's medical history with psychotic illness as evidence of mental instability. However, our court concluded otherwise. In the first place, given such a history, Ah Hao shouldn't be working in Singapore alone. Otherwise, he's mentally fit for trial in a court of law. -
I mean since the date is set lets just hope that he deals with it well and not seek any other way out like suicide in cell..Lets hope for the best cos the last line of defense is already broken so ...haiz..
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There is no mandatory death penalty for murder!! The death sentence here is passed by the judge, not the parliament nor the cabinet!!Originally posted by LazerLordz:Do not forget to mention also, you have to make a case that the mandatory death sentence shifts and removes a large element of having to prove actual guilt and to concur that this case was not a fair case since the onus of prosecution was said to be diluted.
This is one reason why mandatory punishments have to be struck off, we cannot allow Parliament and the Cabinet to pass sentence indirectly by virtue of effect of a Bill tabled into law without the Judiciary's discretionary powers to say yes or no. -
extradition treaty only needed for suspects or convicted criminal, you have any reason to suspect the girl's mother is the murderer? or she is convicted unless proven otherwise because she is a mainland chinese?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Personally, I would not sentence him to death. After all, the case, in my opinion, is suspicious, but sadly we do not have an extradition treaty with China.
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i wouldn't want the life imprisonment for the pple. think about it, we have to feed and cloth and whatever the person till he/she dies. i do not want to pay taxes for that purpose.Originally posted by 0lala:What difference does it really make?
Lets say the murderer was hung,then again so what?
the deceased is not going to rise from their graves.
So why not juz life imprisionment,whereby they can review their hideous actions and even the possiblility of starting afresh
Condeming others to the gallow due to overburst of emotion,even when they have indeed comitted a heavy crime is a NONO
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Ah Hao case was manslaughter. Ditto for CDO dunking trial.
Why Ah Hao must hang while the 4 CDOs got off so lightly? -
You are shiit... FT is gold.
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maybe he really kill huang na but he came back to surrender. y still kena hang?
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so is the mum coming back to witness the hanging?