People who left Singapore, please stand up!
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dun stand up can or not ... i am a quitter u know.. very lazy and tiring one leh....
so...
For People who left Singapore, please stay in ur bed and lift up both your feet OK BO???
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What about racism in other countries? And their crime rates?
Singapore's not ideal but it's not too bad either. -
The local politics is a very big deterence
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I left Singapore
But now i want to go home -
Good lor. Then be the much-sought foreign talent lor.Originally posted by yellow_monkey:I left Singapore
But now i want to go home -
I'm sure there's going to be somebody who's been here for a short holiday who would disagree with me, but nope and nope.Originally posted by kaister:What about racism in other countries? And their crime rates? -
Short holiday? I've been overseas for more than 6 years...Originally posted by Gedanken:I'm sure there's going to be somebody who's been here for a short holiday who would disagree with me, but nope and nope.
The feeling is different and you get treated like second class citizens. My house got broke into twice in the same year and I've got burglar alarm installed.
How about people walking around with guns? At least you don't have to worry about that in Singapore. -
where have you been over hte last 6 years?Originally posted by kaister:Short holiday? I've been overseas for more than 6 years...
The feeling is different and you get treated like second class citizens. My house got broke into twice in the same year and I've got burglar alarm installed.
How about people walking around with guns? At least you don't have to worry about that in Singapore.
imo, it's a trade off. in singapore, you're very likely a 2nd class citizen too; except that you have plenty of company.
in australia, at least you have a higher chance of succeeding through actual hard work and good business acumen. people whom i have noticed complaining about 2nd class citizen status are the ones who have steadfastly refused to assimilate; for example language, slang and friends. i have friends who have been here for hte last 9 years and are still stuck within their singaporean circle with virtually no ozzie friends. -
Spot-on, nomood. You don't even need to pick up a slang or anything of the sort to get along - all you have to do is not shut people out. People only become second-class citizens in their own minds.
Kaister, if you have indeed been treated as a second class citizen for six years, wouldn't you be feeling kind of foolish for sticking around for so long? Anybody with sense would have left long ago if they were being treated so poorly.
Mind you, my place in Singapore got broken into, so by your measure, what's so safe about Singapore? -
seriously, who say u dun have to worri about people walking around with guns in sg?? u look at those in blue? i am very very worried lor...Originally posted by kaister:Short holiday? I've been overseas for more than 6 years...
The feeling is different and you get treated like second class citizens. My house got broke into twice in the same year and I've got burglar alarm installed.
How about people walking around with guns? At least you don't have to worry about that in Singapore. -
I am a graduate. Thinking of a new adventure.
Which one is better? Study and then migrate, or just plainly go over and look for a job?
Advises are most welcome.
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you have to remember you're speaking to a singaporean...Originally posted by Gedanken:Kaister, if you have indeed been treated as a second class citizen for six years, wouldn't you be feeling kind of foolish for sticking around for so long? Anybody with sense would have left long ago if they were being treated so poorly. -
i hope sg will improve... if nt den im quittin 2...
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It vaires from ppl to ppl. In short i will say Spore is best suited for those born with a silver spoon.
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Eh you are Hakka? Same with ME!!!Originally posted by justcooler:left singapore for australia 1 1/2 year ago,
Reason for leaving, continuation of my immigration heritage (i am a Hakka)
Grandfather migrate from China to Malaysia, then my father from malaysia to singapore, now i am continuing the suit. I seem that we are going south all the time. May my next generation will go southpole
This bring back to the issue of Quitters. Most of the Chinese in singapore are migrants from china, come to singapore to seek for a better quality of life. the 2nd and 3rd gen are just following the suit of our forefather. So why are we been branded Quitters.
Just because we wanted to look for a better way of life for our future generations ?
Even all the top sits decision makers have forefathers that are quitters .... from china perspectives.
Most of us that migrate from sg knows that we can have a better prospective outside of singapore. And in Aus i found what i am looking for
1) personal space and time
2) Outback
3) Landed property
4) Much better quality of life (much better air quality)
the list just keeps going on....
though there are some issues that worries you.
But maybe I'll go North America pretty soon. And my heritage would be northwards. Let's spread Hakkaism to the world.
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Nomood, that's australia you're talking about. People there are less uptight. There's a huge population of Asian immigrants there. Similar comparison cannot be made for every other place on earth.Originally posted by Gedanken:Spot-on, nomood. You don't even need to pick up a slang or anything of the sort to get along - all you have to do is not shut people out. People only become second-class citizens in their own minds.
Kaister, if you have indeed been treated as a second class citizen for six years, wouldn't you be feeling kind of foolish for sticking around for so long? Anybody with sense would have left long ago if they were being treated so poorly.
Mind you, my place in Singapore got broken into, so by your measure, what's so safe about Singapore?
The feeling of second-rated citizen comes after mixing with the locals, not before. Try asking the malays in Singapore if they ever feel discriminated against every now and then. Even though you might be laughing on your exterior, but deep inside you know how they treat you differently.
Gedanken, do you think I want to stick around for 6 years? Due to work committments, I don't have a choice. Before you generalise and impose your comments on me, please do some thinking first.
Besides, all I've done was to raise some points supported by some examples. Is there a need to be so defensive? Why are you so paranoid about being branded a quitter?
Note: Unlike you, I don't judge people before I know them, that's why I don't call you a quitter. Quit judging people before you even got your facts right. -
I was just giving a personal example of how unsafe the place I'm in. In the local suburb papers, there's an average of 5 breakins per week. Try to get that sort of number in Singapore.Originally posted by Gedanken:Mind you, my place in Singapore got broken into, so by your measure, what's so safe about Singapore?
Of course, we must understand not all places are like mine but undeniably Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. You can't beat the facts. Go take a look for yourself:
Comparison of Singapore's Crime rate to other countries
http://www.singstat.gov.sg/ssn/feat/4Q94/feat.html
Singapore and Tokyo ranked top 2 safest cities in Asia
http://www.breakingnewsenglish.com/0503/050316-safecity.html
Before you start jumping up and down like an enraged monkey, take a look at the cold-hard facts. Read about other side of the argument. -
Sigh... is it general consensus that people who migrate are better off than those who stayed?Originally posted by nomood:you have to remember you're speaking to a singaporean...
Singaporeans are not known for speaking up but at least they are survivors of their own right. -
I think I rather quit and speak up for all I want lor. Keeping things for too long is not good one.Originally posted by kaister:Sigh... is it general consensus that people who migrate are better off than those who stayed?
Singaporeans are not known for speaking up but at least they are survivors of their own right.
Maybe think of ways to survive under the MRT railway tracks? Sorry, I'm not a stuntman and neither am I interested in becoming one. -
Most people have pointed out many attractive reasons. Me too, is now away from Singapore for a year. Currently in Israel. Why Israel? Straight answer money & overseas living experiance. I have been looking forward to go Overseas many years ago. Between '04 & '05 I was in China 6 times, Indonesia 2 times all on my own, alone. Once was as long as 2 months in China. That's way fun. This month going over to Jordan to see. Next month visiting Thailand to investigate life there.
Proberly by end of next year will know which country I would like to stay. Hope it's a permante one & semi-retire when I reach 40~45, much earlier then in SG. I don't ask much in life. Simple life, low expectantion but loads of fun. I would consider a country that can provide
freedom, opportunity for easy life & proper income. My age? 32 now & Am no come from rich family.
My second Brother is in Thailand. He is there for 3 years already. Now owns a factory, house, .....
I would tell people, go try overseas life for short period of time. 1 or 2 months. Then would understand what's great difference between the country.
Most will be driven by money & easy life reasons. It's pretty attractive I can tell you.
I have even told my parents if I move to China. I would like them to come, cause just liquidate their HDB flat is enough for them to retried today.
Are you ready & brave enough to step outside of Singapore??
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Yes, not being able to speak up can be one of the hardest thing to do. Especially under such an oppressive government.Originally posted by Hogzilla:I think I rather quit and speak up for all I want lor. Keeping things for too long is not good one.
Maybe think of ways to survive under the MRT railway tracks? Sorry, I'm not a stuntman and neither am I interested in becoming one. -
Four-thousand per year skip NSW bail
October 29, 2006
MORE than 4000 people in NSW, some facing serious charges, are skipping bail each year, crime figures show.
People charged with rape, robbery and drug trafficking are jumping bail and NSW Police don't have the resources to rigorously pursue them, News Ltd reports.
Under present arrangements, these individuals are often brought to justice only when caught for another offence.
Figures compiled by the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, and published by News Ltd, show there were 10,104 people last year in NSW who were subject to a bench warrant after ignoring their summons to appear in court.
Included in this figure were 4261 people who were on bail at the time, meaning they willingly forfeit cash or other surety to avoid their court appointment.
(http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20667180-29277,00.html) -
SYDNEY, Australia (17 Apr 2005) -- Australia's high crime rates have prompted Japan to issue a travel advisory warning tourists to beware of Aussie thieves.
Due to Australia's extremely high rate of theft and muggings, Japan's Foreign Ministry has warned tourists to Australia's Gold Coast region not to leave valuables in locked hotel rooms and "to keep a tight grip on hand and shoulder bags".
(http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050417.html)
Australia, England and Wales and the Netherlands had the highest proportion (over 25%) of respondents reporting themselves as having been crime victims in 2000. Rates for Japan, Northern Ireland and Portugal barely exceeded 15%.
High rates of people reporting themselves as victims largely reflect high rates of vehicle-related crimes – particularly vandalism. Thefts from cars are a common source of crime also.
People are particularly fearful of contact crime (robbery, assault and sexual assault). Such crimes are least common in Japan and Portugal. Over 6% of the population experience assaults and threats in Australia and the Great Britain. Australia has one of the highest rates of contact crimes. The incidence of specifically sexual incidents is highest in Australia, Austria and the Netherlands.
Australia also had the second highest proportion of burglaries, and high rates of robberies, car thefts and thefts from cars. The US, which recorded a fall in victimisation rates, was mid-range....
(http://www.unicri.it/wwd/analysis/icvs/pdf_files/key2000i/app4.pdf) -
no. at no point did i suggest that.Originally posted by kaister:Sigh... is it general consensus that people who migrate are better off than those who stayed?
i was referring to the irony of his question. please re-read the associated post.Originally posted by Gedanken:
Kaister, if you have indeed been treated as a second class citizen for six years, wouldn't you be feeling kind of foolish for sticking around for so long? Anybody with sense would have left long ago if they were being treated so poorly.
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Oh I've misunderstood you then. Sorry.Originally posted by nomood:no. at no point did i suggest that.
i was referring to the irony of his question. please re-read the associated post.