Should we support US national motto "In God We Trust"?
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I ask... If we leave things in the hands of GOD... What's the politicians there for...? For I see no way they should represent GOD....
By the way... That reminds me of a little story of Singapore.... The REPUBLIC of Singapore... A NOBLE DREAM INDEED.... Wonder if we're anyway near 'republic' now...?
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bcuz we got stupid ppl like himOriginally posted by Hogzilla:Actually, this thread can be an intellectual discussion. But it seems that it is now as the quote said.
He's dumb,juz becuz i play in chit chat dosen't mean i play in speaker's corner
haha...that kid shld grow soem brains -
Nope. It takes two hand to clap. So, you are as guilty as he is.Originally posted by 0lala:bcuz we got stupid ppl like him
He's dumb,juz becuz i play in chit chat dosen't mean i play in speaker's corner
haha...that kid shld grow soem brains -
You're right Hogzilla. It could be intellectual if:Originally posted by Hogzilla:Actually, this thread can be an intellectual discussion. But it seems that it is now as the quote said.
1. The title was written correctly in the right context.
2. The TS showed some thoughts and efforts in writing out his main arguments in the first post, so as to guide the rest of the forum along.
3. The TS showed maturity in correcting misunderstandings, rather than name-calling.
Unfortunately, none of the above was fulfilled. -
it seems u have to take back what u saidOriginally posted by kaister:You're right Hogzilla. It could be intellectual if:
1. The title was written correctly in the right context.
2. The TS showed some thoughts and efforts in writing out his main arguments in the first post, so as to guide the rest of the forum along.
3. The TS showed maturity in correcting misunderstandings, rather than name-calling.
Unfortunately, none of the above was fulfilled.
Lies are not allowed
U and pB are one dumb cunt screwing others thread
http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=217702 -
Okay, just to keep things fun, here's a question.
America is a place that prides itself in asserting that anybody can make it big. After all, a poor black boy like Michael Jackson can become a rich white woman, and the control over one's own destiny is something that Americans seem to hold dear to their hearts.
In saying "In God We Trust", are Americans backtracking on their ethos and putting their fate in the hands of a force that may or may not exist? -
Originally posted by 0lala:it seems u have to take back what u said
Lies are not allowed
http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=217702 Who's talking about that? I'm talking about this thread. -
if thats the case,then why are American public policy deeply influenced by Christianity whether it be stem cell, abortion, same sex marriage.Originally posted by Gedanken:Okay, just to keep things fun, here's a question.
America is a place that prides itself in asserting that anybody can make it big. After all, a poor black boy like Michael Jackson can become a rich white woman, and the control over one's own destiny is something that Americans seem to hold dear to their hearts.
In saying "In God We Trust", are Americans backtracking on their ethos and putting their fate in the hands of a force that may or may not exist? -
i'm talking about u trying to screw pplOriginally posted by kaister: Who's talking about that? I'm talking about this thread. -
Well, it becomes a question of red states, blue states and who's in charge. Who actually makes policy? Is it the person who's been put in charge, or is it the people (in which case issues such as stem-cell research and gay marriages is put to referendums)?Originally posted by 0lala:if thats the case,then why are American public policy deeply influenced by Christianity whether it be stem cell, abortion, same sex marriage. -
Dubya believes this force speaks to him personallyOriginally posted by Gedanken:Okay, just to keep things fun, here's a question.
America is a place that prides itself in asserting that anybody can make it big. After all, a poor black boy like Michael Jackson can become a rich white woman, and the control over one's own destiny is something that Americans seem to hold dear to their hearts.
In saying "In God We Trust", are Americans backtracking on their ethos and putting their fate in the hands of a force that may or may not exist?
But seriously, isn't this topic something for the americans to argue about? -
I'm a sorta a nihilism (although I dun really buy some of their argument) believer. So, I know nuts about Christianity. I only knew that Christianity is against abortion and same sex marriage.
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That's a big roger to both points - in the latter case I've said as much in my first post here.Originally posted by av98m:Dubya believes this force speaks to him personally
But seriously, isn't this topic something for the americans to argue about?
Then again, I've just gotten home from a long day at the office and this discussion makes for a reasonably acceptable plaything, so I'm going to play along. -
This would venture into another area of religious debate don't you agree?Originally posted by Gedanken:Okay, just to keep things fun, here's a question.
America is a place that prides itself in asserting that anybody can make it big. After all, a poor black boy like Michael Jackson can become a rich white woman, and the control over one's own destiny is something that Americans seem to hold dear to their hearts.
In saying "In God We Trust", are Americans backtracking on their ethos and putting their fate in the hands of a force that may or may not exist?
The motto is clearly outdated and was loosely based on the religious faith of the founding fathers during the civil war. They did try to made a few amendments to it though.
For some history:
http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml -
I thought your toy is OM?Originally posted by Gedanken:That's a big roger to both points - in the latter case I've said as much in my first post here.
Then again, I've just gotten home from a long day at the office and this discussion makes for a reasonably acceptable plaything, so I'm going to play along. -
is that statement a "each to his interpretion"-separation of the church and the state.
or in the state still holding on the roots of their past when there were predominatly christian.
if no,the "g" should not have been capital so that it could be termed as any supreme being and not "THE specific God" -
U obviously kept bringing me the bone when i threw itOriginally posted by kaister:This would venture into another area of religious debate don't you agree?
The motto is clearly outdated and was loosely based on the religious faith of the founding fathers during the civil war. They did try to made a few amendments to it though.
For some history:
http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml
stop tailing behind
The wall's to ur right -
I respond according to the level of maturity displayed. As for your example, you're trying to generalise me with pb, which has nothing to do with this thread. Irrelevant. Don't mix your other personal issues with the topic here.Originally posted by 0lala:i'm talking about u trying to screw ppl
Just take a look at the few earlier posts yourself. I'm not the only one who responded to your inappropriate title and posting. All that could have been avoided if you had put in some efforts to make yourself more clear and less ambiguous. -
ur an easy toy and try not to dismiss our issueOriginally posted by kaister:I respond according to the level of maturity displayed. As for your example, you're trying to generalise me with pb, which has nothing to do with this thread. Irrelevant. Don't mix your other personal issues with the topic here.
Just take a look at the few earlier posts yourself. I'm not the only one who responded to your inappropriate title and posting. All that could have been avoided if you had put in some efforts to make yourself more clear and less ambiguous.
at least,not what u have said in ur first post in this topic -
WTH... you're the one bringing your own topic to the gutters. I wasn't even responding to you.Originally posted by 0lala:U obviously kept bringing me the bone when i threw it
stop tailing behind
The wall's to ur right -
Sigh... I've made the same mistake again.
I've argued with an idiot. Enough said, you won't see me in your thread. Sensible people can judge for themselves. -
Actually we are very close to being a real "republic". For more info pls read Machiavelli's works or pm me to start a thread on this topic. Don't really want to hijack.Originally posted by Devil1976:I ask... If we leave things in the hands of GOD... What's the politicians there for...? For I see no way they should represent GOD....
By the way... That reminds me of a little story of Singapore.... The REPUBLIC of Singapore... A NOBLE DREAM INDEED.... Wonder if we're anyway near 'republic' now...?
On US's motto of "In God We Trust", ideally it should be scrapped. Reason?
1) Religion had been a constant cause or at least a very substantial contribution to the cause of war, having such motto links politics back into religion.
2) One of the greatest concern that I have for US's politics is the rise of theocractic sentiment. Such motto reinforces these fundamentalist which I deem not only as obstacles to advancement of science but also potentially a cause for the next major war. (Again not elaborating too much into it here, unless pple request, if not hijack)
3) The Motto is a very Christian statement, to have such a statement as the national motto suggest or implies that Christianity is the national religion. If so, are other religions considered "substandard"?
4) Motto doesn't applies to atheist. So are they going to be left out of the nation? If they are not going to be left out, does the motto mean anything? If the motto doesn't mean anything, is there a point of having it? -
Because of the influence of the conservative religious fundamentalists that make up a significant portion of the republicans as well their their beloved leader dubya who claims to receive messages directly from errmm... Him? Just a wild guess.Originally posted by 0lala:if thats the case,then why are American public policy deeply influenced by Christianity whether it be stem cell, abortion, same sex marriage. -
WrongOriginally posted by kaister:I respond according to the level of maturity displayed. As for your example, you're trying to generalise me with pb, which has nothing to do with this thread. Irrelevant. Don't mix your other personal issues with the topic here.
Just take a look at the few earlier posts yourself. I'm not the only one who responded to your inappropriate title and posting. All that could have been avoided if you had put in some efforts to make yourself more clear and less ambiguous.
u responded to the low maturity that came with you when u came free of that unblical cord.
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And if so it is,then why is the motto not do away?Originally posted by av98m:Because of the influence of the conservative religious fundamentalists that make up a significant portion of the republicans as well their their beloved leader dubya who claims to receive messages directly from errmm... Him? Just a wild guess.
bcuz if its the national motto but yet not action upon,whats the purpose?