ERP on ECP to rise
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This is a problem that our government is reluctant to solve. Public services should be public services. Take China for example, the train rides are 3RMB per entry (regardless of the number of stops). It is heavily subsidize but it works. There train network is not as sophisticated as Singapore's but people rather take the train and walk/cycle rather than buy a car (even though it is cheap).Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If what you say is true and there is a demand for parallel bus services despite the NEL, write to the bus companies to re-consider. If there is money to be earned on a route, they will not turn it down. However, perhaps you are the minority and most people prefer the NEL.
Stop privatizing public services, subsidize it from tax collected (instead of investing them in failed overseas venture) and rise car price. Our govt needs to be responsible to the environment and to its people.
If you haven't read or watch 'The inconvenient Truth', I strongly encourage you to do so. It is showing in GV now. -
I remember when I was young, one of the reasons pple migrate outta singapore is becoz It was difficult to own a Car in Singapore ... People complained lots thenOriginally posted by Rock^Star:A government's policies shape the nation and its culture. If the 30% downpayment had stayed, there wouldn't be any poor joe wearing some shoes that are too big for his feet. And nannying wouldn't even come into play. This is the government's policy error even if they had wanted to "let more ordinary folks own cars".
Then dunno izzit the asian economic crisis the makes car cheaper in singapore or is it the government trying to make singapore more "Homely" by making cars more affordable.. People still complains now? -
Now cars are cheap mah.....easier for youngers to afford mah
Now cheap car like pica cost only <500pm.
With a pay of 2.5 is enought to buy it.
Maybe later the car price shoot up, then i will give up driving.
End of the day.... when in my life can i won 4 wheels -
I was wondering Y during the economic crisis SG dollar did not drop as drastically as like wat our neighbouring countries did... I suspect our taxes, fines, rich reserves etc. contribute to this...
if not, someone enlighten me? -
Our currency is balanced against a number of foreign currencies.Originally posted by sunny6110:I was wondering Y during the economic crisis SG dollar did not drop as drastically as like wat our neighbouring countries did... I suspect our taxes, fines, rich reserves etc. contribute to this...
if not, someone enlighten me? -
Yah. An unknown basket of currencies.... But how is it done? wat happens when large speculators abandon sg dollar?Originally posted by anonymouscoward:Our currency is balanced against a number of foreign currencies. -
Cars are cheaper because COE has dropped 4 or 5 fold since early 2000. What decides the COE price? According to the LTA website, it's VQS (Vehicle Quota System). Don't ask me what that is, the explanation in LTA's website does not seem clear.Originally posted by sunny6110:I remember when I was young, one of the reasons pple migrate outta singapore is becoz It was difficult to own a Car in Singapore ... People complained lots then
Then dunno izzit the asian economic crisis the makes car cheaper in singapore or is it the government trying to make singapore more "Homely" by making cars more affordable.. People still complains now?
Cars being affordable may not be such a gd thing after all. It has resulted in an explosion of $0 downpayment and many many people are in huge debt. Shd the car encounter a serious accident and total scrap has to be imposed on the car, the owner is left with a huge loan to repay but no car to drive. Insurance can only cover to a limited extent.
COEs can only be collected every ten years of a car's cycle but ERP is collected by the millions daily. More cars will mean more revenue and also the govt is "making everyone happy" by allowing more car ownership.
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Originally posted by sunny6110:
That was why the government allowed more COEs to be issued and that made car ownership more affordable. To balance the expected rise in car usage, the ERP was introduced.
I remember when I was young, one of the reasons pple migrate outta singapore is becoz It was difficult to own a Car in Singapore ... [b]People complained lots then[/b]
I think the more efficient way to control congestion on the roads is to limit COEs. Unfortunately the government listened to the people's complaints and relented on the initial policy.
Sometimes a government must do what is right for the country, not whatever is popular. -
As I said, they increased the quota allowed for new vehicles on the road and issued more COEs. They had listened to the people who wanted to own cars, thinking that change in policy will make them more popular. It didn't.Originally posted by Rock^Star:Cars are cheaper because COE has dropped 4 or 5 fold since early 2000. What decides the COE price? According to the LTA website, it's VQS (Vehicle Quota System). Don't ask me what that is, the explanation in LTA's website does not seem clear.
A government cannot act based on popularity polls. They must do whatever is right, even if the policy is unpopular. -
Are you so quick to assume that the govt 'listened' to the people and increased the COE quota? Or were they merely 'jumping along the band wagon to increase their own coffers?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:That was why the government allowed more COEs to be issued and that made car ownership more affordable. To balance the expected rise in car usage, the ERP was introduced.
I think the more efficient way to control congestion on the roads is to limit COEs. Unfortunately the government listened to the people's complaints and relented on the initial policy.
Sometimes a government must do what is right for the country, not whatever is popular.
With a govt so calculative in their assessment of cost benefits to themselves, surely the overall aim was to increase the number of COEs issued to earn more revenue, and raise the prevailing ERP gantry prices at the same time, a double wammy against motorists who are already paying road taxes.
With this methodology, it would be a simple case for the govt to claim wanton innocence by pointing to the masses of singaporeans who WANT to buy a car, not because they were encouraged by the govt to do so, when it was in fact the ridiculous 5Cs championed by govt officials and published in the ST that set Singaporeans off on a vicious rat race. -
To add on to what BillyBong said, if our govt is so attentive to "listen" to its people; Why is the govt no listening to the people in do something about vice in Geylang, rising cost of living, help for the needy/handicap, freedom of press etc? Maybe our govt has master the art of selective hearing.Originally posted by BillyBong:With this methodology, it would be a simple case for the govt to claim wanton innocence by pointing to the masses of singaporeans who WANT to buy a car,
The only instance, I recalled, the govt has responded very swiftly was against comments by Mr.Brown.
Even our ministers acknowledge that REACH (formerly known as feedback unit) was widely perceived as not listening as all the "suggestions" get lost in that big black hole. -
No geylang = higher Crime rates/ suicide rates... Which may in turn affect Foreign Direct Investments...Originally posted by anonymouscoward:To add on to what BillyBong said, if our govt is so attentive to "listen" to its people; Why is the govt no listening to the people in do something about vice in Geylang, rising cost of living, help for the needy/handicap, freedom of press etc?
Rising cost of living is inevitable in developed countries like sg where there are oso rising gap btw the rich and the middle class unless the government put a cap on how much the rich can earn per yr which is Impossible as it is the rich who is providing employment....
Opps.. too long my sentence..
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Haha... I also watched "The Inconvenient Truth". I felt that everyone should watch that movie... esp people who depend too much on cars...Originally posted by anonymouscoward:Stop privatizing public services, subsidize it from tax collected (instead of investing them in failed overseas venture) and rise car price. Our govt needs to be responsible to the environment and to its people.
If you haven't read or watch 'The inconvenient Truth', I strongly encourage you to do so. It is showing in GV now.
Maybe the government can screen "The Inconvenient Truth" on all TV channels, and then use the movie as an excuse to raise the ERP 10 times. (More money from ERP = More money to improve public transport & more money to tackle global warming) -
TS, want to add members of WP quitting?
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I thought we should also look at GE 2001. Here's some stuff I found. I included fare hikes, as well as other things which I thought may be significant.
Singapore Politics from GE 2001 – Nov 3, 2001
Date Event
Pre GE2001
20/08/2000 Government announces that it will introduce the Baby Bonus scheme in a bid to stem the population decline.
(http://www.singapore-window.org/sw00/000821a1.htm)
19/08/2001 PM Goh announces in his National Day Rally that S$2.7 billion worth of New Singapore Shares are to be issued to Singaporeans.
(http://infopedia.nlb.gov.sg/articles/SIP_555_2004-12-21.html)
Post GE2001
20/11/2001 LKY & GCT sue CSJ
(http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01/011121ti.htm)
04/02/2002 ERP rates go up.
(http://www.lta.gov.sg/corp_info/index_corp_press.htm)
01/07/2002 SMRT & TIBs fares go up by 1-3 cents per trip.
(http://www.singapore-window.org/sw02/020611af.htm)
05/12/2002 NTUC sacks Muhammed Ali Aman for refusing to renounce his membership with the SDA
(http://www.singapore-window.org/sw02/021205af.htm)
01/01/2003 GST increases from 3% to 4%
(http://www.singapore-window.org/sw02/020623st.htm)
01/01/2004 GST increases from 4% to 5%
(http://www.singapore-window.org/sw02/020623st.htm)
02/03/2004 Government reveals that SingaporeÂ’s birth rates fell to a historic low in 2003.
(http://www.singapore-window.org/sw04/040302a1.htm)
17/06/2004 PM GohÂ’s office announces that Ministers salary cuts are to be fully restored(http://www.singapore-window.org/sw04/040617a1.htm)
01/07/2005 Public Transport Fares increase.
(http://www.ptc.gov.sg/news1.pdf)
