First, I question your understanding of words. There isn't enough opposition voices in the Parliament and media, how does the word "debated" stand?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The decision to benchmark Minister's pay was made in the open, debated in Parliament and the media. It was no hush-hush. Singaporeans had many opportunities after that to vote out the ruling party if they objected to the move. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
Sorry lor, the only place I saw/see my MP is when they appear on a large poster wishing the residents "Happy (dunno wat festival)" lor. They are so lazy that they dun even bother for a door-to-door walk for the election campaign.Originally posted by Syndicate:How many of us know who are those MPs who take charge of our area? Dont appear , smile and show face standing on the pickup ONLY during GE. DUDE, you think we never notice ah? We are not stupid people who whole day only know how to nod head and agree to everything the Gahmen says.
Let's be honest here.Originally posted by weiqimun:the argument tt the gahmen need to benchmark the `market rate' is an oxymoron. firstly, the folks in white aren't all first class. e.g. Wong KS was only a HR manager b4 entering politics. had he stayed on, he's just gonna be tt.
and listening to so many other MIW men speaking, including ministers, u can tell many dun't and cannot articulate well an idea or intent. everything is rehearsed and followed closely by the book. all blind followers on an idea of 1.
if u r a business leader or leader, u do the right thing, tk calculated risk, have a vision and can articulate a vision so followers can see the intent. I dun see many of these peeple runnin this country.
to accord them salaries unmatched anywhere in the world by themselves is ridiculous.
b4 long, sgp will have an hour glass society make-up; the haves and the have nots. the middle class will be squeezed out of the equation. many are at risk....the only way out is, to quote 50cents, `get rich or die trying'...
I agree with wad weiqimun said:Originally posted by weiqimun:the argument tt the gahmen need to benchmark the `market rate' is an oxymoron. firstly, the folks in white aren't all first class. e.g. Wong KS was only a HR manager b4 entering politics. had he stayed on, he's just gonna be tt.
and listening to so many other MIW men speaking, including ministers, u can tell many dun't and cannot articulate well an idea or intent. everything is rehearsed and followed closely by the book. all blind followers on an idea of 1.
if u r a business leader or leader, u do the right thing, tk calculated risk, have a vision and can articulate a vision so followers can see the intent. I dun see many of these peeple runnin this country.
to accord them salaries unmatched anywhere in the world by themselves is ridiculous.
b4 long, sgp will have an hour glass society make-up; the haves and the have nots. the middle class will be squeezed out of the equation. many are at risk....the only way out is, to quote 50cents, `get rich or die trying'...
Well, it goes back to what everybody has been asking:Originally posted by equlus84:I agree with wad weiqimun said:
PAP have always used this 3 arguements to justify their high pay:
1) High pay helps to fight corruption
2) PAP ppls being highly educated, can easily find high paid white-collared jobs in the outside world.
3) High salary is needed to retain these PAP ppls on their jobs, and not quitting.
Does high pay really fight corruption? U see all those African countries producing gold and diamonds. These countries are plagued with wars and suffering of famine and drought and their rulers do nothing to improve their standards of living. Their rulers, warlords are rich, thus by PAP logic, this African leaders are not corrupted?
Yes PAP ppls boast of flowery credentials like scholars returning from overseas, PHDs, MBA.........., thus by this standard they must be highly paid. By this statement, can we conclude all PHD ppls deserve the same pay as them? Can we say all the prof in NTU, NUS, SMU deserves a place as MPs at least?
The last point is high pay retains these PAP ppls. Being a leader of a nation, ur duty is to serve the nation without fear nor favour. It should be ur honour and personal pride to be able to serve the ppl and gain their support. Thus can we question the sincerity and the aims of these PAP ppls when they enter the parliament or cabinet?
If you need high pay to ensure a person wouldn't be corrupted then clearly, that person has no integrity.Originally posted by charlize:Well, it goes back to what everybody has been asking:
If the pay wasn't pegged to the top private professions, the ministers will become corrupted?
as i said, tt line of argument is an oxymoron. there is no logical conclusion to say tt if politicians are paid less, they will be corrupted. if the same line of rationalization is applied, then all workers who r not highly paid are liable to `cheat'. i m not sure abt u, but i am not well paid, but does it justify the above line of reasoning tt i will be `on the take'? no, i am governed by ethics and beliefs. so are many many others. not everyone is motivated by greed.Originally posted by charlize:Well, it goes back to what everybody has been asking:
If the pay wasn't pegged to the top private professions, the ministers will become corrupted?
sad to say, the casino in sgp will be a flop. but i alredi know the retort from the gahmen. "it's an IR, not a casino....", but call it any other name, it's to draw gamblers in. and with just 2, it will pale in comparison with australia and macau. it will do roaring business the first 2-3 years, but after all the balohaa is gone, it will be downhill.Originally posted by charlize:The casino is one such issue. The rationale given by the government is that every other country is having one, so Singapore should have one too (or two or three).
i think it will be a success. a lot of singaporeans will end up broke.Originally posted by weiqimun:sad to say, the casino in sgp will be a flop. but i alredi know the retort from the gahmen. "it's an IR, not a casino....", but call it any other name, it's to draw gamblers in. and with just 2, it will pale in comparison with australia and macau. it will do roaring business the first 2-3 years, but after all the balohaa is gone, it will be downhill.
the track record of the gahmen speaks for itself, it is slow to evolve and it lacked creativity and guts to make the change....always analysis paralysis and wait for others to try first.
Casino owners with operations in Macau and Las Vegas are fighting to come in. You know something they don'tOriginally posted by weiqimun:sad to say, the casino in sgp will be a flop. but i alredi know the retort from the gahmen. "it's an IR, not a casino....", but call it any other name, it's to draw gamblers in. and with just 2, it will pale in comparison with australia and macau. it will do roaring business the first 2-3 years, but after all the balohaa is gone, it will be downhill.
`fighting to come in...'? u gotta be joking. how many final bids does sg have for each of the ir?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Casino owners with operations in Macau and Las Vegas are fighting to come in. You know something they don't![]()
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Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The debate that happened in Parliament was not exactly a debate, as there were only two Opposition Members of Parliament against the entire SINGLE PARTY dominated Parliament.
The decision to benchmark Minister's pay was made in the open, debated in Parliament and the media. It was no hush-hush. Singaporeans had many opportunities after that to vote out the ruling party if they objected to the move. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:"Casino owners with operations in Macau and Las Vegas are fighting to come in" to Singapore ?
Casino owners with operations in Macau and Las Vegas are fighting to come in. You know something they don't![]()
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they are warming up for the opening of the casino.Originally posted by weiqimun:coming back to the topic,
cnn reported tt migrants/illegal aliens tt work in the USA lowered the paycheck of entry level jobs held previously by americans by 8%, and the gahmen there grapple with the high cost of managing crime, health care, insurance coverage and other associated costs. the corporation/businesses obviously are the beneficiary of this with better bottom line. many interest groups are trying to control and manage the situation so americans are not squeezed out, especially the middle class.
the diff here is the sg gahmen actually encourage these FT's to come in. there is no discernable benefits of these ppl coming in. most send monies back and have no allegience to the country. the crime and vice they indulge in are uncheck. i drove by from nicoll hwy to sengkang, passing thru' a stretch of geylang road into macpherson and u can see the rot in that area. soliciting and prositution are now done in the open along side major road arteries. pimps with their girls stand on the side, standing in lines in full view of motorists and passerby while trades are being done. nothing is done by the pohlize. everynite, it is the same disgusting scene. i dun recall having seen this before. tt vice spreading now to heartlands are well publicised. but why shld the authority care? they are all pre-occupied with more important things in life, like buiding the sports hub, enthralling tourists with its spunky new arts/cultural image, getting sg into the world maps of life sciences and remaking sg with new tagline.
no one left behind my a$$....
Don't need to see so far. At home don't we have a TT Durai with "peanut" salary but still corrupt?Originally posted by equlus84:I agree with wad weiqimun said:
PAP have always used this 3 arguements to justify their high pay:
1) High pay helps to fight corruption
2) PAP ppls being highly educated, can easily find high paid white-collared jobs in the outside world.
3) High salary is needed to retain these PAP ppls on their jobs, and not quitting.
Does high pay really fight corruption? U see all those African countries producing gold and diamonds. These countries are plagued with wars and suffering of famine and drought and their rulers do nothing to improve their standards of living. Their rulers, warlords are rich, thus by PAP logic, this African leaders are not corrupted?
wow! This is the greatest joke of the year!Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The decision to benchmark Minister's pay was made in the open, debated in Parliament and the media. It was no hush-hush. Singaporeans had many opportunities after that to vote out the ruling party if they objected to the move. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
DON'T TALK ABOUT COURT, LAW AND JUSTICE IN SINGAPORE TO ME.Originally posted by siaokao:This is so sad. I have some experience with sg courts. Those kiddo judges (young elites?) know nothing abt life. In my opinion, they dun have the right to judge anyone.
Why ain't the people the ones deciding how they want their VOTING SYSTEM to be?Originally posted by anonymouscoward:Wow, I have forgotten about this case. Oh my do we have failing memories. Somehow, these issues were never highlighted during the last election.
Anyway, nothing would have changed. Given the changing boundaries and all those walkovers.
We should take from Thailand's election. One to one voting and separate voting of MP from political party.
Debated in the 'parliament'? Wonder what it would mean to say that any issue revolving around my life should be 'debated' within my own family in my house?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The decision to benchmark Minister's pay was made in the open, debated in Parliament and the media. It was no hush-hush. Singaporeans had many opportunities after that to vote out the ruling party if they objected to the move. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.