Is Chee Soon Juan a joker?
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Read the newspaper everyday recently, will see that 'Dr' Chee with is nonsensical argument in the court. Can't believe such a childish person exist. Maybe he would like to try do some real constructive stuff as a real opposition in singapore instead of trying so hard to gain attention from the media...
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He got "sponsors" in the back
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He makes constitutional sense. Some of you might want to read up more on what he is trying to acheive.
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but the methods he uses are lame...
aggressively criticizing EVERYTHING (even the good things) the current government does without giving suggestions on what constructive stuff he'll REALLY do does not work in a civilised society... -
I admire his ideals but his self-presentation is extremely poor. A lost cause.
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Not a joker.....a joke
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actually, i used to think he is a joker, trying to be funny with the govt. But, come to think of it, is he really that stupid to do that?
He was a lecturer, earning comfortably, easily earning 5 digits, driving his own car, why would he want to do such stupid thing, becoming an opposition, resulting him to be a bankrupt now?
what u see on the media, newspapers often wrote and read negative things about him, simply becos, the media is controlled by the govt. And the govt used the media to blacken most oppositions, except some mild oppositions like Chaim See Tong.
if you are free, do that a look at this 26mins video, there is a video interview on him and his views which i think may make u change his opinion on him:-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_DRoUOcupo -
hey he may not have the solution but he can always point out whats wrong.Originally posted by mahawarrior:but the methods he uses are lame...
aggressively criticizing EVERYTHING (even the good things) the current government does without giving suggestions on what constructive stuff he'll REALLY do does not work in a civilised society...
i won't take the stand that any criticism must come with suggestions because pointing out the problem itself is a step towards getting a solution
+ hey we pay the mps etc lots of money, why should we be expected to do all the work for them? let them justify their high pay by finding good solutions and implementing them, thats their job anyway; no need to go really out of the way to help them when you don't have the means -
he has ideals but his made a mess of it.
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u MIWOriginally posted by mahawarrior:but the methods he uses are lame...
aggressively criticizing EVERYTHING (even the good things) the current government does without giving suggestions on what constructive stuff he'll REALLY do does not work in a civilised society...
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when you grow up in the shadow of the PAP's discourse, it's understandable if you think he is a joke. If you are willing to listen to both sides of the narrative, then you can come to a more balanced point of view.
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yea sure, he might look stupid or ridiculous to some of you..but at least he had the ballz to stand up for what he believed in even if it meant losing everything he had..
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CSJ can be called anything but a coward
At least he will not accept millions of dollars Â…Â…in return for not revolting.
HeÂ’s a million times better than any MIW. -
CSJ is an asset to the ruling party. As long as he is around to perform his antics, he will drive voters away from the Opposition.
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we'll see in 4 yrs time if your statement is trueOriginally posted by oxford mushroom:CSJ is an asset to the ruling party. As long as he is around to perform his antics, he will drive voters away from the Opposition.
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As far as 'mushrooms' are concerned, you are considered a joke by quite a few of us here.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Not a joker.....a joke
With your antics in supporting the ruling party in this Speakers' Corner, who needs CSJ to drive us away from the Opposition ?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:CSJ is an asset to the ruling party. As long as he is around to perform his antics, he will drive voters away from the Opposition. -
If you ONLY depend on the newspaper reporting about CSJ, you should realise that nothing good will ever be printed about CSJ.Originally posted by mahawarrior:Read the newspaper everyday recently, will see that 'Dr' Chee with is nonsensical argument in the court. Can't believe such a childish person exist. Maybe he would like to try do some real constructive stuff as a real opposition in singapore instead of trying so hard to gain attention from the media...
Who controls the printing machine at SPH that print all the English, Chinese and Malay language dailies ?
Even with the Tamil papers not under the wings of SPH, the subject matters are careful not to be independent from the official lines.
If you were to attend the Court Session in person, you will hear a totally different sets of cogent arguments that will make him not the court jester that he is continuously made out to be.
If the Ruling Party aka the Government is so confident of the correctness of their position, why do you think there is so much nervousness concerning an independent newsprint from existing in Singapore ? -
"he may not have the solution but he can always point out whats wrong"Originally posted by hisoka:hey he may not have the solution but he can always point out whats wrong.
i won't take the stand that any criticism must come with suggestions because pointing out the problem itself is a step towards getting a solution
+ hey we pay the mps etc lots of money, why should we be expected to do all the work for them? let them justify their high pay by finding good solutions and implementing them, thats their job anyway; no need to go really out of the way to help them when you don't have the means
Unfortunately, you are wrong with this statement.
You should read some of the books that he have written, and will find many of his original solutions in his book - "Your Future, My Faith, Our Freedom" - written in 1993.
Already in 1993, many of the problems were identified by CSJ, and it was only in Year 2003 and 2004 that policies were changed that are somewhat similar to the solutions in CSJ book written TEN YEARS EARLIER.
So much for some PhD 'mushrooms' who can produce nothing original, except to tow official lines and become nothing better than 'carpet beggars'. -
The book still available? If not got ISBN number to check online?Originally posted by Atobe:"he may not have the solution but he can always point out whats wrong"
Unfortunately, you are wrong with this statement.
You should read some of the books that he have written, and will find many of his original solutions in his book - "Your Future, My Faith, Our Freedom" - written in 1993.
Already in 1993, many of the problems were identified by CSJ, and it was only in Year 2003 and 2004 that policies were changed that are somewhat similar to the solutions in CSJ book written TEN YEARS EARLIER.
So much for some PhD 'mushrooms' who can produce nothing original, except to tow official lines and become nothing better than 'carpet beggars'. -
He is a hero, willing to sacrifice everything to save us from the clutches of PAP. I salute u, Dr Chee Soon Juan.
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some may feel that CSJ has had unique ideas...but most of his concerns are about freedom, namely, freedom of speech, press, political freedom, etc etc. all he talks about (mostly, anyway) is how we are being repressed, oppressed, bla bla.
what about the more important issues such as how to deal with the ageing population? increased competition from neighbouring states? rising income gap?
a good opposition should have concerns over the overall well-being of the citizen. yes, we need a lot more freedom. but what's the use of freedom when it can't help the poor? i wonder what else he can do other than shouting on the streets for more freedom.
and once again, the methods he use to gain attention is really unbecoming of a person with a 'Dr' in front of his name. simply put, he's rude. I just took a look at the website of his party and goes...oh my, I can't believe these people are our opposition...
and lastly...I'm certainly not a MIW. I'm just slightly for another opposition party. -
He has some valid ideas , i'll give you that .... but the way he presents them is horrible .
Generally people don't have a good impression of him -
hello i was saying that even if he has no solution he can still raise any solution to problems he sees in response to someone saying he doesn't provide solutions........Originally posted by Atobe:"he may not have the solution but he can always point out whats wrong"
Unfortunately, you are wrong with this statement.
You should read some of the books that he have written, and will find many of his original solutions in his book - "Your Future, My Faith, Our Freedom" - written in 1993.
Already in 1993, many of the problems were identified by CSJ, and it was only in Year 2003 and 2004 that policies were changed that are somewhat similar to the solutions in CSJ book written TEN YEARS EARLIER.
So much for some PhD 'mushrooms' who can produce nothing original, except to tow official lines and become nothing better than 'carpet beggars'. -
It is doubtful if you will find any shop selling this early edition that probably ran out of print.Originally posted by wisefool83:The book still available? If not got ISBN number to check online?
You could try visiting the SDP HQ and pick up some last copies there. -
Originally posted by hisoka:
Unfortunately, by raising problems where there are no solutions - that will be considered by some to be 'POLITIKING' or 'SCORING POINTS', and is not acceptable. Is this not unfortunate ?
hello i was saying that even if he has no solution he can still raise any solution to problems he sees in response to someone saying he doesn't provide solutions........
In any case, can Singaporeans be allowed to hear the solutions that he - or the other Alternative Parties - has to offer, with all the Singapore Media being monopolised for the POWER OF ONE only ?