Is Chee Soon Juan a joker?
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He's just a complete waste of time for anyone who pays him any attention at all..........
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'Freedom' is the basic foundation and corner stone on which a House can be built.Originally posted by ruixiangz:some may feel that CSJ has had unique ideas...but most of his concerns are about freedom, namely, freedom of speech, press, political freedom, etc etc. all he talks about (mostly, anyway) is how we are being repressed, oppressed, bla bla.
what about the more important issues such as how to deal with the ageing population? increased competition from neighbouring states? rising income gap?
a good opposition should have concerns over the overall well-being of the citizen. yes, we need a lot more freedom. but what's the use of freedom when it can't help the poor? i wonder what else he can do other than shouting on the streets for more freedom.
and once again, the methods he use to gain attention is really unbecoming of a person with a 'Dr' in front of his name. simply put, he's rude. I just took a look at the website of his party and goes...oh my, I can't believe these people are our opposition...
and lastly...I'm certainly not a MIW. I'm just slightly for another opposition party.
In the Singapore context, without the basic element of 'Freedom' can anyone's concern be seriously heard and independent actions be taken to ensure that such concern are properly addressed ?
You will note that even the Workers' Party had addressed a list of concerns that is at the heart of ALL SINGAPOREANS, but how often does one get to hear about the positive actions taken by the Workers' Party addressing such issues for their constituents ?
The answer is a big FAT ZERO from all the Singapore Media.
This explains your present expressed position in which you believe that the Alternative Parties should show concern about other matters and not merely about abstract issues concerning 'FREEDOM' - even when the Alternative Parties have taken positive actions to address such issues.
The POWER OF ONE is hitting the point home by giving full media attention on CSJ and the SDP, as they have already blackwashed them will the full power of the 'BLACK Media'; and is merely driving the point home to make CSJ an ineffective person, and hopefully to be treated by one and all to be nothing more than a 'mental case'.
This is nothing more than a tactical move to distract the population from more important national issues - as has been the stated strategy of the POWER OF ONE, in which they claim exclusive domination of all NATIONAL ISSUES, and the Citizens should not involve themselves with unless they wish to be in POLITICS.
The POWER OF ONE has separated NATIONAL ISSUES from Community Issues, and believe that the Citizens should only concern ourselves with Community Issues - such as neighborhood upgrading concerning lifts, flower gardens, footpath, additon of extension space, and all other day-to-day local issues concerning the neighborhood that include elections of mayors and towncouncils.
This move is basically to neutralise the political interests of Singaporeans, and to ensure their own continued entrenchment in Singaporean lives.
It blanks out any political debate of the continued domination of Government Linked Companies that enrich their Corporate Treasury by sucking on the savings and incomes of Singaporeans; and on National Issues concerning the 'asset rich and cash-poor retirees' living in the Heartlands.
The operating Philosophy of the POWER OF ONE is that it will be safer for wealth to be in the hands of the Government rather then be in the hands of Rich and Powerful Individuals who will sponsor any Alternative Political Parties.
If 'BASIC FREEDOM' as allowed for in the Singapore Constitution is not fully exercised by Singaporeans - for a variety of self-interest reasons by the POWER OF ONE - can Singaporeans addressed the other issues that is found to be so pressing ?
Even the HongKong Citizens - who feared the loss of their political rights when returned to their Motherland after 999 years of British Colonial Administration - will have more freedom to exercise their POLITICAL RIGHTS than Singaporeans. -
Though I dun really like the way he does
But I'm not happy the way the trial is going on esp on the video... Something that was agreed not to be used as evidence during the pre trial conference ended up being used... I mean they can use it, but you've agreed that you would not use, better honour what you've said -
Haha...let's see who's right at the next election then. I predict CSJ will lose his deposit if he should stand again, although I doubt he can cos' he is going to be a bankrupt soon. If he has support, let his supporters pay his fine for defaming PAP leaders.Originally posted by Atobe:With your antics in supporting the ruling party in this Speakers' Corner, who needs CSJ to drive us away from the Opposition ? -
don't bother to ask the questions when you have the answers or when you think you do please.Originally posted by Atobe:Unfortunately, by raising problems where there are no solutions - that will be considered by some to be 'POLITIKING' or 'SCORING POINTS', and is not acceptable. Is this not unfortunate ?
In any case, can Singaporeans be allowed to hear the solutions that he - or the other Alternative Parties - has to offer, with all the Singapore Media being monopolised for the POWER OF ONE only ?
oh and please do read posts carefully in future or refine your replies. -
You and Atobe are actually standing on the same ground.Originally posted by hisoka:don't bother to ask the questions when you have the answers or when you think you do please.
oh and please do read posts carefully in future or refine your replies.
Perhaps Atobe could have added onto your viewpoint instead of saying, "You're wrong."
My $0.02 worth. -
I doubt he would. He never admits any wrongdoing on his part, and never acknowledges any alternative viewpoint other than his own.Originally posted by Rock^Star:Perhaps Atobe could have added onto your viewpoint instead of saying, "You're wrong."
A bit like an MIW in that regard. -
What to do? He makes a lot of sense 90% of the timeOriginally posted by Typhoon:I doubt he would. He never admits any wrongdoing on his part, and never acknowledges any alternative viewpoint other than his own.
A bit like an MIW in that regard. . Some people have a very acute sense of reasoning and I feel he's one of them. -
He also waste the time of the courts. As, in my previous post on the subject of CSJ, I was sure he would do.Originally posted by :He's just a complete waste of time for anyone who pays him any attention at all..........
He is a piece of sh!t. -
I dont know much about him.
Seems like also he does not, and will not, have any big effect.
So, whatever man. -
I won't begrudge that. He has very little tolerance for dissenting opinions though, and will resort to ad hominem attacks on those who disagree with him. Even if I don't agree personally with what lionoisy or oxford mushroom have to say, I would not flame them if they put their points across in a reasonable manner.Originally posted by Rock^Star:What to do? He makes a lot of sense 90% of the time . Some people have a very acute sense of reasoning and I feel he's one of them. -
And so he provides the basis for the government's view that Singapore is not ready for western-style democracyOriginally posted by Typhoon:I won't begrudge that. He has very little tolerance for dissenting opinions though, and will resort to ad hominem attacks on those who disagree with him. -
thats why i was abit pissed and surprised.Originally posted by Rock^Star:You and Atobe are actually standing on the same ground.
Perhaps Atobe could have added onto your viewpoint instead of saying, "You're wrong."
My $0.02 worth. -
My question is if he's being selected as a member of parliament, will he be able to stand in line with his supporters or will he focus more to criticize the government?
At the moment now, I believe heÂ’s filled more hatred and revengeful feeling against the ruling leaders. -
Singapore is not ready for western democracy?Then we are ready for what,Communism or Facism?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:And so he provides the basis for the government's view that Singapore is not ready for western-style democracy -
As to the view of CSJ is a joker,i believe he is not.As a matter of fact,i think Goh Chok Tong is more a joker than him.For 14 solid years as a PM,he is unable to overthrow Lee's control in the parliament and being manipulated by the Lees n Lees(Lou Lee n young Lee).
Even the new Chinese Premier Hu Jing Tou(sorry if i mis-spell it) is better than him.After he steps up as new Chinese leader,just a few years time,he kicks away his Former boss Jiang Zemin loyal followers.He use anti-corruption tactics and remove most of the ministers who are still loyal to Jiang.This is what i call"If you are in command,command".
Hu successfully show his former boss who is the one incharge here.Unlike Lou Goh,all his 14 years reign was being push around by the Lees.Now you tell me,who is a real joker here? -
Originally posted by hisoka:
Am I surprised at the sensitivities and petty pride involved in this forum ?
Original post by Rock^Star:
You and Atobe are actually standing on the same ground.
Perhaps Atobe could have added onto your viewpoint instead of saying, "You're wrong."
My $0.02 worth.
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thats why i was abit pissed and surprised.
Not exactly.
Seriously, you did mention the following as an opening statement :
"hey he may not have the solution but he can always point out whats wrong."
and which I said that you are wrong (still wrong) in that he did have solutions, but the state controlled media silenced his efforts, and made him appear that he is protesting without any solutions to problems that he has perceived.
Your proposal that
"hello i was saying that even if he has no solution he can still raise any solution to problems he sees in response to someone saying he doesn't provide solutions........ "
did not exactly sounded in the same manner as your previous statement.
But all the same, if you enjoy feeling piss so easily - then I will offer you some from Tiger. -
Either you are nothing more then a poor copy of a mouthpiece for the POWER OF ONE, or you are attempting to attract attention to yourself - so as to be on the invitation list for the next Tea Party at the Istana.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:And so he provides the basis for the government's view that Singapore is not ready for western-style democracy
Does this Singapore government need anyone to be the basis to justify that "Singapore is not ready for western-style democracy" ?
Can this government formed by the POWER OF ONE stand up to Western-style Democracy ?
With Singaporeans like you claiming to be a PhD holder, and having such retarded political vision, is it any surprise that Sngapore has a government that is neo-Communist even as it unabashedly adopt Democratic forms ? -
Originally posted by Typhoon:
If you have the time and willing to relook at my past posts, you will note that I have apologised for some error in at least two posts.
I doubt he would. He never admits any wrongdoing on his part, and never acknowledges any alternative viewpoint other than his own.
A bit like an MIW in that regard.
There is no shame to make sincere apologies and corrections for errors made.
If one make an effort to be accurate with one's position, is there any need to admit wrongdoing ?
A debate or discussion is not entirely about 'right or wrong' about one's position - unless an error in fact is so obvious.
If you decide that the Ruling Party is good for Singapore, you are entitled to your view - can anyone say you are wrong ?
However, I will attempt to weaken your confidence with cogent arguments and hope to be able to persuade you to view matters from another angle, or perhaps shake your self-assuredness enough to change course.
Thanks for the backhanded MIW compliment. -
i dun think Dr Chee is a joker la,
can you imagine that if he dun do politic, he can sit back and enjoy life quite comfortably.
thus to challenge the garment is courageous i would say.
what is needed is more tactics to deal with the garment. if he is a lawyer , then maybe another story liao.
low thia khiang is a lawyer ma.. so he seldom / didnt get sue by garment over his remark.. that is a careful and tactical man. lol
i dun think Chee is a moron to give up a good life and end up fight ing against the garment. he GOT gut & conviction.
what is impt is to be real to oneself in life, if u cant take certain things lying down , then make a stand. GDI.
lol
Originally posted by drawer:As to the view of CSJ is a joker,i believe he is not.As a matter of fact,i think Goh Chok Tong is more a joker than him.For 14 solid years as a PM,he is unable to overthrow Lee's control in the parliament and being manipulated by the Lees n Lees(Lou Lee n young Lee).
Even the new Chinese Premier Hu Jing Tou(sorry if i mis-spell it) is better than him.After he steps up as new Chinese leader,just a few years time,he kicks away his Former boss Jiang Zemin loyal followers.He use anti-corruption tactics and remove most of the ministers who are still loyal to Jiang.This is what i call"If you are in command,command".
Hu successfully show his former boss who is the one incharge here.Unlike Lou Goh,all his 14 years reign was being push around by the Lees.Now you tell me,who is a real joker here? -
Hmm... I don't think he's stupid in his ideals... just not really smart in crossing the minefield that we all know is out there for anybody who wants to go against the flow.
I think there are better ways of doing what he does for the same ends and ideas, but what do I know? But it seems to me that if one wants to make a dent in the majority of Singaporeans who are politically numb and who vote for the "safest" choice and regard ideas like "freedom" as jibber jabber and non-bread and butter... going about it by trumping such ideas in extreme ways might not work as well at all... for the Singaporean (at least 66.6 of those who voted), have already indicated that they find most idealistic freedoms just that... ideas.
Of course somehow the whole notion that in order to make a proper choice you have to be in the position to be free to fairly make that choice in the first place seems to passed over the heads of many, but in part I suspect that is to a healthy culture of doublethink that has been encouraged. And of course, the large sucess in convincing people that freedom is not a "bread and butter" issue.
To work on that one needs to start by convincing them why freedom is worth giving up some measure of security and order for to begin with, not by stating the obvious that these that things we are having less then we ought to be responsible for... for it was something most know and accept to some degree. One needs to change this attitude first. -
I doubt it he is that much of a joker............
U see, no doubt WP and SDA are roping in new candidates with good profile and backgrounds, they still need time to be nurtred and more rooms are needed for oppositions to grow. No doubt the situation now is bending sharply towards PAP but can who can guarantee that future SGreans are still going to accept a ironfist, fear-institutionalised type of governance. Yes, SGreans maybe like grazing cattles that keeps their heads down to mind their own business, but I think the cows will soon be able to think instead of blindly lead to the abattoir.
Lastly, in this fight against the ruling power's new age fascism, all drip and bits of means and techniques must be used and explored, eg. internet blogs, podcasting. So no doubt CSJ way of doing things seems silly and ridiculous, but it is this type of "partisan" methods are needed to reach out to ppls. For every CSJ, the govt needs to mobilise as much big guns to shoot him down, for every blog or podcast, the govt needs more agent to keep an eye on them, thus this techniques will wear and shag out the govt overtime, thus buying more time for the oppositions.
Remember how the white elephant saga stunned the MIW? We need exactly this type of partisan activities to keep the MIW tied down and let the greater SGreans noe their ugly side. -
PAP machine still allow CHEE SOON JUAN books in library
Chee, Soon Juan, 196
2.Is it a free society to allow books of opposition parties in public library?
1.The power of courage : effecting political chang 2005
2 Chee, Soon Juan, 196
Your future, my faith, our freedom : a democrati 2001
3 Chee, Soon Juan, 196
To be free : stories from Asia's struggle agains 1998
4 Chee, Soon Juan, 196
Singapore my home too 1995
5 Chee, Soon Juan, 196
Dare to change : an alternative vision for Singa 1994 -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Let us see if they will tolerate the book " Escape from Paradise ", which was removed from the library shelves and licensed book stores.
[b]PAP machine still allow CHEE SOON JUAN books in library
2.Is it a free society to allow books of opposition parties in public library?[/b]
Shocking accusations have been made against the Official Assignee Office, the Inland Revenue Department, and the Legal System, and more importantly at the Lawyer-Wife of the previous Minister of Transport - YCT.
Why were there no response to such glaring accusations ? -
I fully agree.Originally posted by equlus84:I doubt it he is that much of a joker............
U see, no doubt WP and SDA are roping in new candidates with good profile and backgrounds, they still need time to be nurtred and more rooms are needed for oppositions to grow. No doubt the situation now is bending sharply towards PAP but can who can guarantee that future SGreans are still going to accept a ironfist, fear-institutionalised type of governance. Yes, SGreans maybe like grazing cattles that keeps their heads down to mind their own business, but I think the cows will soon be able to think instead of blindly lead to the abattoir.
Lastly, in this fight against the ruling power's new age fascism, all drip and bits of means and techniques must be used and explored, eg. internet blogs, podcasting. So no doubt CSJ way of doing things seems silly and ridiculous, but it is this type of "partisan" methods are needed to reach out to ppls. For every CSJ, the govt needs to mobilise as much big guns to shoot him down, for every blog or podcast, the govt needs more agent to keep an eye on them, thus this techniques will wear and shag out the govt overtime, thus buying more time for the oppositions.
Remember how the white elephant saga stunned the MIW? We need exactly this type of partisan activities to keep the MIW tied down and let the greater SGreans noe their ugly side.
Diversity in politics is something that we must be ready to accept too.
You have your way, I have mine. It's about bringing about these diverse visions for Singapore that we can build reseilence and ensure that if one falls, there will be others to take up the slack.
Think data recovery center. You wouldn't want your databank in one place would you.. and on one platform?