‘Muslim baptism’ SMS prank backfires
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The Straits Times – 7 Nov 06
Deputy Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak wants stern action to be taken against the culprit who circulated a rumour via SMS claiming that a group of Muslims was to be baptised at a church in Ipoh.
Datuk Seri Najib, who closed the Johor Umno Convention here yesterday, said he spoke to Inspector-General of Police Musa Hassan on Sunday night about the matter.
“Such SMSes are dangerous as they can cause a falling out between the races and create tension in the country,” he told a press conference.
On Sunday, a large crowd gathered at the Church of Our Lady of Lourdes in Silibin in Ipoh to protest against the alleged baptism, only to find out that it was actually the first Holy Communion for 98 Indian children.
Tan Sri Musa has vowed that the police would trace the first person who spread the SMS and said that the culprit would be charged under the Sedition Act.
He noted that there was no such incident as claimed in the SMS and that the rumour had affected national security.
“Give us one week to investigate. The case is now being investigated by the Perak police chief and the Bukit Aman CID division,” he said in Malacca yesterday.
Police would be calling several people to record their statements, he said.
Information Minister Zainuddin Maidin urged religious leaders to not spread rumours as it could be sensitive.
Commenting on the SMS, Datuk Zainuddin said religious leaders ought to provide facts and figures when citing a case.
He said those who spread such SMSes were irresponsible, adding that such rumours were “dangerous” as it could affect national security. -
Who are the people that form the large crowd on Sunday, gathered at the Church of Our Lady of Lourdes in Silibin in Ipoh to protest against the alleged baptism? Your guess is as good as mine.
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Do these people forming the large crowd come with an evil mind, with daggers, with sticks, with parangs, with clubs, with petrol bombs and other offensive objects? Or they are group of holy people coming to persuade the Muslim not to proceed with the baptism by peaceful mean. Your guess is as good as mine.
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Are the religious leaders the ones who spread rumours, incite the people to demonstrate, to riot? What type of religious leaders are they who indulge in such unspeakable acts?
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What will happen if it is true that “a group of Muslim was to be baptised at the Church in Ipon”?
Will the proceeding be disrupted with the police standing by doing nothing?
Will the Church be destroyed?
Will a riot be started to ensure similar result as May 13?
It frighten me to the bone when I think about the whole issue. -
The Straits Times – 8 Nov 2006Originally posted by pisces8:Who are the people that form the large crowd on Sunday, gathered at the Church of Our Lady of Lourdes in Silibin in Ipoh to protest against the alleged baptism? Your guess is as good as mine.
MUFTI TO BE QUIZZED OVER SMS
IPOH: Perak Mufti Harussani Zakaria will be questioned by the police over an SMS which alleged that several hundred Malays were to have been baptized at a church in Silibin on Sunday.
As a result of the message, several hundred Muslims and representatives of Muslim non-governmental organizations gathered at the church premises, only to find out that the ceremony was for Indian children.
State police chief Aziz Bulat said the Perak mufti was not a suspect but his name was among those mentioned in the SMS which had been circulating since last Thursday, the New Straits Times reported. -
they are trying to catch the person who gave the information and not trying to remedy the fact that there are bigots that would probably go to the extent of causing pple great inconvenience and even violence just to stop pple from exercising their freedom of religion?
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Frankly speaking...
What's wrong if a Muslim wants to convert out of Islam into his/her religion of choice?
This is freedom from persecution of religious beliefs which is enshrined in our constitution. No one has the right to prevent a person of a certain belief to convert to whatever religion they wish.
I can't stand those holier-than-thou groups of ignoramuses who believe it is their right to pre-judge and take matters into their own hands - even worse, those who use violence to achieve this. -
Eh...
Pardon me.
But what does the venue matter?
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Actually, i think it is in the koran... if someone leaves the religion, they have the right to stone him.
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i think we should invite our muslim counterparts to come in and share with us whats in the koran?
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No, the Quran condemns apostasy, but does not prescribe an earthly punishment for it.Originally posted by yuppy4life:Actually, i think it is in the koran... if someone leaves the religion, they have the right to stone him.
It would do well for you to check your facts before making such claims.
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So what's a Muslim or the Quran's stand in the event of such an incident then? What if a group of Muslim really convert publicly into another religion? What does the Quran say?Originally posted by fudgester:No, the Quran condemns apostasy, but does not prescribe an earthly punishment for it.
It would do well for you to check your facts before making such claims.
Many thanks to shinta for pointing out this thread to me. -
Precisely. These stupid people completely missed the issue. I say they are stupid because imo their entire mindset is alien.Originally posted by hisoka:they are trying to catch the person who gave the information and not trying to remedy the fact that there are bigots that would probably go to the extent of causing pple great inconvenience and even violence just to stop pple from exercising their freedom of religion? -
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/240070/1/.htmlOriginally posted by pisces8:Do these people forming the large crowd come with an evil mind, with daggers, with sticks, with parangs, with clubs, with petrol bombs and other offensive objects? Or they are group of holy people coming to persuade the Muslim not to proceed with the baptism by peaceful mean. Your guess is as good as mine.
Malaysia to use detention without trial for text messaging rumours: reports
Posted: 08 November 2006 1230 hrs
KUALA LUMPUR - Malaysia warned it would apply a draconian law which allowed for detention without trial to people who used text messages to spread libellous or false information, reports said Wednesday.
The move comes after text messages with rumours that ethnic Muslim Malays would be baptised as Christians sparked a large Muslim protest in northern Perak state.
Deputy Internal Security Minister Johari Bahrum said Malaysia's Internal Security Act (ISA) could be used on anyone spreading texts which could cause instability in the country.
"What happened in Perak was very serious and could have triggered a riot," Johari was quoted as saying in the New Straits Times.
"The SMS caused a lot of uneasiness among the Muslim community, and this is not good for the security of the country, which has various races and religions," he said.
The ISA allows for two-year detention periods that can be renewed indefinitely. It has been used on alleged Islamist militants.
Malaysia's Inspector General of Police, Musa Hassan, said the ISA would be appropriate for those deemed a threat to public order and national security.
"We can conduct investigations under the ISA if the matter becomes serious," he was quoted as saying in the Sun newspaper.
About 1,000 Malays protested outside a Roman Catholic church Sunday in Perak, after some received text messages which said there would be a baptism ceremony involving Muslims.
They later found out the baptism was for some 100 ethnic Indians who had converted to Christianity, according to reports.
Religious conversion is a thorny subject in majority-Muslim Malaysia, where Muslims are not allowed to convert, and proselytizing of Muslims by other faiths is also prohibited.
Race relations in the multicultural nation have become increasingly strained recently amid a campaign for religious freedom by activists and a series of controversial court cases.
Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi in July ordered a halt to public discussions and threatened penalties against anyone who inflamed emotions. - AFP/ir -
Campy will wanna read this
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suicide bombers?Originally posted by pisces8:Do these people forming the large crowd come with an evil mind, with daggers, with sticks, with parangs, with clubs, with petrol bombs and other offensive objects? Or they are group of holy people coming to persuade the Muslim not to proceed with the baptism by peaceful mean. Your guess is as good as mine.
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Originally posted by pisces8:
What sort of shit reporting is this? Allegation made: malaysia would (Will) use powers. But no where in the report is there any evidence to back this up.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/240070/1/.html
[b]Malaysia to use detention without trial for text messaging rumours: reports
Posted: 08 November 2006 1230 hrs
KUALA LUMPUR - Malaysia warned it would apply a draconian law which allowed for detention without trial to people who used text messages to spread libellous or false information, reports said Wednesday.
The move comes after text messages with rumours that ethnic Muslim Malays would be baptised as Christians sparked a large Muslim protest in northern Perak state.
Deputy Internal Security Minister Johari Bahrum said Malaysia's Internal Security Act (ISA) could be used on anyone spreading texts which could cause instability in the country.
"What happened in Perak was very serious and could have triggered a riot," Johari was quoted as saying in the New Straits Times.
"The SMS caused a lot of uneasiness among the Muslim community, and this is not good for the security of the country, which has various races and religions," he said.
The ISA allows for two-year detention periods that can be renewed indefinitely. It has been used on alleged Islamist militants.
Malaysia's Inspector General of Police, Musa Hassan, said the ISA would be appropriate for those deemed a threat to public order and national security.
"We can conduct investigations under the ISA if the matter becomes serious," he was quoted as saying in the Sun newspaper.
About 1,000 Malays protested outside a Roman Catholic church Sunday in Perak, after some received text messages which said there would be a baptism ceremony involving Muslims.
They later found out the baptism was for some 100 ethnic Indians who had converted to Christianity, according to reports.
Religious conversion is a thorny subject in majority-Muslim Malaysia, where Muslims are not allowed to convert, and proselytizing of Muslims by other faiths is also prohibited.
Race relations in the multicultural nation have become increasingly strained recently amid a campaign for religious freedom by activists and a series of controversial court cases.
Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi in July ordered a halt to public discussions and threatened penalties against anyone who inflamed emotions. - AFP/ir
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I see the source is AFP. Are their standards really so low? What about CNA? Why did they publish such terrible reports? -
"What happened in Perak was very serious and could have triggered a riot," Johari was quoted as saying in the New Straits Times.Originally posted by pisces8:What will happen if it is true that “a group of Muslim was to be baptised at the Church in Ipon”?
Will the proceeding be disrupted with the police standing by doing nothing?
Will the Church be destroyed?
Will a riot be started to ensure similar result as May 13?
It frighten me to the bone when I think about the whole issue.
"The SMS caused a lot of uneasiness among the Muslim community, and this is not good for the security of the country, which has various races and religions," he said.
About 1,000 Malays protested outside a Roman Catholic church Sunday in Perak, after some received text messages which said there would be a baptism ceremony involving Muslims.
Why are the 1,000 Malays so easily being excited to gather to protest outside the Roman Catholic Church?
If it is true that 100 Muslims was being converted, many people will die in the resulting riot?
Will the riot spread throughout the country and to Singapore, similar to that of May 13? -
Originally posted by pisces8:
Our weaponry might just shred them into food for piranhas should they spread to singapore
"What happened in Perak was very serious and could have triggered a [b]riot," Johari was quoted as saying in the New Straits Times.
"The SMS caused a lot of uneasiness among the Muslim community, and this is not good for the security of the country, which has various races and religions," he said.
About 1,000 Malays protested outside a Roman Catholic church Sunday in Perak, after some received text messages which said there would be a baptism ceremony involving Muslims.
Why are the 1,000 Malays so easily being excited to gather to protest outside the Roman Catholic Church?
If it is true that 100 Muslims was being converted, many people will die in the resulting riot?
Will the riot spread throughout the country and to Singapore, similar to that of May 13?
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Wait untill The Straits Times is out tomorrow then we compare.Originally posted by scabstermooch:What sort of shit reporting is this? Allegation made: malaysia would (Will) use powers. But no where in the report is there any evidence to back this up.
I see the source is AFP. Are their standards really so low? What about CNA? Why did they publish such terrible reports? -
Actually, the article is objectively lousy. On that point, comparison would serve no purpose.Originally posted by pisces8:Wait untill The Straits Times is out tomorrow then we compare.
It would still be interesting to see what standards the Straits Times holds itself too though. -
Compare the article above with this one below:
KUALA LUMPUR: Police will use the Internal Security Act (ISA) against anyone disseminating libellous or false news through the short messaging service (SMS) or email.
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Wednesday/National/20061108102653/Article/local1_html
Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan, who issued this warning yesterday, said such people were a threat to public order and national security.
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The difference is immediately obvious. This report supports its claim by citing the Inspector-General of the police.
Not difficult is it? CNA take notes!!! -
Compare the afore-mentioned articles with this:
Malaysia has warned it could apply a draconian law that allows for detention without trial to people who used text messages to spread libelous or false information, reports have said...
http://www.todayonline.com/articles/153347.asp
Again, this is a better article than the original one. CNA you better be taking notes!!!
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The Straits Times, 9 Nov 06
Police Chief warns against spreading tales through SMS
Malaysian police will use the Internal Security Act (ISA) against anyone who disseminates libellous or false news through short message service (SMS) or by e-mail.
Inspector-General of Police Musa Hassan, who issued the warning on Tuesday, said such people were a threat to public order and national security.
He was commenting on rumours, spread via SMS, that a group of Muslims was to be baptised as Christians in Ipoh last Sunday.
Deputy Internal Security Minister Ahmad Johari Bahrum also said the ISA could be applied against those responsible for spreading such rumours.
“What happened in Perak was very serious and could have triggered a riot,” he said.
The SMS caused a lot of uneasiness among the Muslim community, and this is not good for the security of a country which has various races and religions.
After they received the SMS, several hundred Muslims gathered at the Our Lady of Lourdes Church in Silibin, Ipoh, from 7.30am last Sunday.
The Church was actually holding the first h0oly communion for 98 Indian children.
The police, who knew about the SMS, were on hand to prevent any incident. They later asked the crowd to disperse.
They have questioned five people in connection with the SMS over the past three days.