Lee Hsian Loong's Nee Soon South visit on 12 Nov 2006
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While the purpose of this visit has been to meet the residents, the likely reason behind the visit is the possible fact that almost the entire area voted against the ruling party at the last elections and Lee junior's aim is to walk the ground and cajole votes back in his favour.
Took a drive recently around the springleaf estate park where they're holding the session this coming Sunday. A lot of expensive white tentages were set up and the place seemed to have been vastly cleaned. I really wonder where the money to set up the tentages and spotlights are coming from, not to mention the food and drinks that are likely to be catered on the day itself.
I really hope it isn't govt funding since it classified more as a political meet-the-people's session. -
how did you know they voted against him?
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During GE2006, they already can say strong support for amk's pap team came from younger supporters of anchorvale.Originally posted by dragg:how did you know they voted against him?
Remember the ballot boxes are gather from different polling stations in several areas. Just have to count how many votes go here and there from that particular box. -
The GRCs were sub-divided into sections for ease of voting; in short, estates were carved into polling stations for convenience, but also to ascertain the voting statistics of sub-sections of GRCs.
Being a good ruling party, all these statistics would have prompted them which areas were predominantly 'for' or 'against'. All electorial parties have access to these statistics for their future planning and compaigning.
Clearly, sections in the Nee Soon south area must have contributed heavily to the 33% of WP; in any case, in all his years of being an AMK GRC incumbent MP, Lee junior has never visited the Springleaf garden-Nee soon South estate for meet the people sessions.
Why would he have the sudden urge to hold such a high profile visit with red-carpet treatment at a time when the elections are just over?
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Chey!!
I thought someone wants to assassinate him..... -
big brother watches on...
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At the very least I hope there's free food LOL
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Mee siam mai hum for all, first come first serve.
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no hum not nice.......so im not goin.
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I still remember the Mr. Brown podcast.Originally posted by ditzy:Mee siam mai hum for all, first come first serve.
That podcast might trigger the P65 MPs to do Hip-Hop in the Chingay sia... -
Springlead Estate is largely a Upper Middle Income area - similar to Senett Estate in CST's Potong Pasir Ward.Originally posted by BillyBong:While the purpose of this visit has been to meet the residents, the likely reason behind the visit is the possible fact that almost the entire area voted against the ruling party at the last elections and Lee junior's aim is to walk the ground and cajole votes back in his favour.
Took a drive recently around the springleaf estate park where they're holding the session this coming Sunday. A lot of expensive white tentages were set up and the place seemed to have been vastly cleaned. I really wonder where the money to set up the tentages and spotlights are coming from, not to mention the food and drinks that are likely to be catered on the day itself.
I really hope it isn't govt funding since it classified more as a political meet-the-people's session.
The Upper Middle Income Group are better educated and politically concious, but are prudent enough to be on the "right side of the divide".
Many will not risk their place to be actively involved in politics, but will have their own reservations and positions to the exisitng politics in Singapore.
It is only in keeping with the Upper Middle Income surrounding that the 'higher quality' tentage is preferred.
Perhaps, the Ruling Party has hit rock bottom with their attempts to harvest talents to join their team, and that it is time to venture into 'less hospitable' territories to test the ground - which may prove to be more fertile in talents ? -
My guess is that the voting statistics from this part of Nee Soon must have been badly skewed against the ruling party.Originally posted by Atobe:Springlead Estate is largely a Upper Middle Income area - similar to Senett Estate in CST's Potong Pasir Ward.
The Upper Middle Income Group are better educated and politically concious, but are prudent enough to be on the "right side of the divide".
Many will not risk their place to be actively involved in politics, but will have their own reservations and positions to the exisitng politics in Singapore.
It is only in keeping with the Upper Middle Income surrounding that the 'higher quality' tentage is preferred.
Perhaps, the Ruling Party has hit rock bottom with their attempts to harvest talents to join their team, and that it is time to venture into 'less hospitable' territories to test the ground - which may prove to be more fertile in talents ?
After all, they assigned a newbie MP to manage the Nee Soon South section of AMK GRC instead of one of the long-term incumbents. And for Lee junior himself to make an appearance are signs that all is not well with the votes in this area.
What are the odds that the crowd attending this 'meet-the-people' session will be another mediocre turnout? -
Nee Soon South is the area around Khatib MRT right?
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It is the stretch of Upper thomson road along the junction of Sembawang road, bordering Nee Soon Camp, with a row of shophouses and the famous Ang Pang Yong Tao Fu.Originally posted by ah-soh:Nee Soon South is the area around Khatib MRT right?
It's in the middle of nowhere. Bus services that pass through are SMRT: 980, 167, 169
SBS Transit: 138 (zoo)
There is NO MRT in the area. -
Actually, the nearest MRT will be at the new Circle Line Station at Marymount Road-Jalan Pemimpin.Originally posted by BillyBong:It is the stretch of Upper thomson road along the junction of Sembawang road, bordering Nee Soon Camp, with a row of shophouses and the famous Ang Pang Yong Tao Fu.
It's in the middle of nowhere. Bus services that pass through are SMRT: 980, 167, 169
SBS Transit: 138 (zoo)
There is NO MRT in the area.
Regretably, SMRT or LTA claims that the population density feeding this station is too low to justify its opening when completed.
I wonder what kind of density is needed before it is opened, when the next station is to be built at the junction of Bukit Timah-Farrer Road, at the corner where Serene House is; and the other one will be at Holland Village.
Are the population densities anywhere more than that at Marymount Station?
The second half of the Circle Line will be passing through many areas where the Upper Middle Income and Upper Income Communities reside, and the mass heartlander densities will be non-existent.
The next station after Holland Village will be at the Alexander Hospital location, where the population density is even lower than in the Thomson-Sin Min Road-Jalan Pemimpin area.
Why bother to spend billions of dollars and keep the station closed after completion, and after inconveniencing the neighborhood and tempting them with the prospect of MRT convenience ?
This is a sure way of riling up the grieviances of the Upper Middle Income. -
Whether you have the MRT in Sengkang or Nee Soon or anywhere, one thing will remain the same.Originally posted by Atobe:Actually, the nearest MRT will be at the new Circle Line Station at Marymount Road-Jalan Pemimpin.
Regretably, SMRT or LTA claims that the population density feeding this station is too low to justify its opening when completed.
I wonder what kind of density is needed before it is opened, when the next station is to be built at the junction of Bukit Timah-Farrer Road, at the corner where Serene House is; and the other one will be at Holland Village.
Are the population densities anywhere more than that at Marymount Station?
The second half of the Circle Line will be passing through many areas where the Upper Middle Income and Upper Income Communities reside, and the mass heartlander densities will be non-existent.
The next station after Holland Village will be at the Alexander Hospital location, where the population density is even lower than in the Thomson-Sin Min Road-Jalan Pemimpin area.
Why bother to spend billions of dollars and keep the station closed after completion, and after inconveniencing the neighborhood and tempting them with the prospect of MRT convenience ?
This is a sure way of riling up the grieviances of the Upper Middle Income.
Commuters will still be packed like sardines in the MRT carriages.
Not to mention, increased fares for constantly shrinking standing room. -
Actually, the current nearest MRT station is a fight between Khatib and Yio Chu Kang. Pemimpin is already classified as Bishan-Toa Payoh GRC and not even under the care of Lee junior.Originally posted by Atobe:Actually, the nearest MRT will be at the new Circle Line Station at Marymount Road-Jalan Pemimpin.
Regretably, SMRT or LTA claims that the population density feeding this station is too low to justify its opening when completed.
I wonder what kind of density is needed before it is opened, when the next station is to be built at the junction of Bukit Timah-Farrer Road, at the corner where Serene House is; and the other one will be at Holland Village.
Are the population densities anywhere more than that at Marymount Station?
The second half of the Circle Line will be passing through many areas where the Upper Middle Income and Upper Income Communities reside, and the mass heartlander densities will be non-existent.
The next station after Holland Village will be at the Alexander Hospital location, where the population density is even lower than in the Thomson-Sin Min Road-Jalan Pemimpin area.
Why bother to spend billions of dollars and keep the station closed after completion, and after inconveniencing the neighborhood and tempting them with the prospect of MRT convenience ?
This is a sure way of riling up the grieviances of the Upper Middle Income.
There used to be a service 825 (run by the now defunct TIBS) which operated to Springleaf garden and took commuters direct to Yio Chu Kang. It was an interesting route, but the frequency was a letdown and they provided only a minibus. Ultimately, after a 2-3 years, the service was cancelled.
Latest update: They just put up a stage at the park. All the residents are 'admiring' it on their morning walks...especially the old ladies and their dogs. -
Originally posted by BillyBong:
If you observe the route in which the MRT lines take, it naturally takes the shape of a corridor that run through the thickest HDB Heartlands with the highest population densities.
Actually, the current nearest MRT station is a fight between Khatib and Yio Chu Kang. Pemimpin is already classified as Bishan-Toa Payoh GRC and not even under the care of Lee junior.
There used to be a service 825 (run by the now defunct TIBS) which operated to Springleaf garden and took commuters direct to Yio Chu Kang. It was an interesting route, but the frequency was a letdown and they provided only a minibus. Ultimately, after a 2-3 years, the service was cancelled.
Latest update: They just put up a stage at the park. All the residents are 'admiring' it on their morning walks...especially the old ladies and their dogs.
Most of the main corridors with significant Private Housing development, as along Thomson-Upper Thomson-Sembawang corridor, Bukit Timah-Upper Bukit Timah-Bukit Panjang corridors remains unserviced by the MRT.
The Circle Line will probably address this issue in an indirect way, compared to the North East Line that serviced the large private population living along the Serangoon-Upper Serangoon-Pongol Corridor.
Springleaf Estate located off Upper Thomson Road - and exiting directly into it - will naturally follow the flow towards the new Circle Line Station at Marymount-Jalan Pemimpin; with sufficient and close-by carparks at the Shunfu HDB Estate for park and ride into the City.
Prior to this Circle Line being built, Springleaf had to be connected to the nearest stations at Yio Chu Kang and Ang Mo Kio - (while Khatib will have to be a bad choice if a Springleaf resident intend to head into the City).
For all those living along the Upper Thomson-Sembawang Corridor, the journey towards (lower) Thomson Road and Lornie-Adam Road has been a nightmare for the last forty years.
The CTE - that was supposed to alleviate the heavy traffic flow - did not service the large number of Private Estates that sprang up along this corridor, and with nearly every household owning two or three cars parked within their landed compound or along the estate roads.
Is the CTE taking a "CENTRAL" route on Singapore Island, or would it be more accurate to have called it simply a North-South Expressway ?
The CTE is actually "Off Center" - as the Center Route would have been more accurate if it had run along a route that is between Bukit Timah and Thomson Corridor, unfortunately it will cut a longitudinal scar deep into the water catchment area of Seletar, Pierce and MacRitchie Resevoirs.
Both the corridors along BukitPanjang-Bukit Timah and Sembawang-Thomson are slap with a ridiculour speed limit of 70kmh, even when most parts of these corridors are 3-lanes in each direction.
Many private cars are caught by this speed restriction even at the off-peak hours late into the night when traffic is minimal.
Forty years of slow improvement is surely too long, when compared to the number of flyovers constructed along Bukit Timah - where several Cabinet Ministers reside (including SM GCT).
Perhaps the residents of Springleaf Estate can push these views to LHL, and make his visit more eventful and worthwhile ? -
I'm not sure whether residents will push the boundaries concerning MRT access within the neighbourhood.Originally posted by Atobe:If you observe the route in which the MRT lines take, it naturally takes the shape of a corridor that run through the thickest HDB Heartlands with the highest population densities.
Most of the main corridors with significant Private Housing development, as along Thomson-Upper Thomson-Sembawang corridor, Bukit Timah-Upper Bukit Timah-Bukit Panjang corridors remains unserviced by the MRT.
The Circle Line will probably address this issue in an indirect way, compared to the North East Line that serviced the large private population living along the Serangoon-Upper Serangoon-Pongol Corridor.
Springleaf Estate located off Upper Thomson Road - and exiting directly into it - will naturally follow the flow towards the new Circle Line Station at Marymount-Jalan Pemimpin; with sufficient and close-by carparks at the Shunfu HDB Estate for park and ride into the City.
Prior to this Circle Line being built, Springleaf had to be connected to the nearest stations at Yio Chu Kang and Ang Mo Kio - (while Khatib will have to be a bad choice if a Springleaf resident intend to head into the City).
For all those living along the Upper Thomson-Sembawang Corridor, the journey towards (lower) Thomson Road and Lornie-Adam Road has been a nightmare for the last forty years.
The CTE - that was supposed to alleviate the heavy traffic flow - did not service the large number of Private Estates that sprang up along this corridor, and with nearly every household owning two or three cars parked within their landed compound or along the estate roads.
Is the CTE taking a "CENTRAL" route on Singapore Island, or would it be more accurate to have called it simply a North-South Expressway ?
The CTE is actually "Off Center" - as the Center Route would have been more accurate if it had run along a route that is between Bukit Timah and Thomson Corridor, unfortunately it will cut a longitudinal scar deep into the water catchment area of Seletar, Pierce and MacRitchie Resevoirs.
Both the corridors along BukitPanjang-Bukit Timah and Sembawang-Thomson are slap with a ridiculour speed limit of 70kmh, even when most parts of these corridors are 3-lanes in each direction.
Many private cars are caught by this speed restriction even at the off-peak hours late into the night when traffic is minimal.
Forty years of slow improvement is surely too long, when compared to the number of flyovers constructed along Bukit Timah - where several Cabinet Ministers reside (including SM GCT).
Perhaps the residents of Springleaf Estate can push these views to LHL, and make his visit more eventful and worthwhile ?
That being said, even if they were to push, i wonder what the response from the dragon baby will be, considering that it took the residents of Buangkok the use of unorthodox tactics of 'white cardboard elephants' which were even deemed 'illegal' by our paranod govt to force the eventual opening of Buangkok station.
The fact that LTA planning may have somewhat alleviated the problem by making the SLE and CTE accessible to this section only works in favour of those who own a car, as the number of buses servicing the area has not changed for the last 15 years, and their frequency has not improved either.
Giving the alternatives the silent vote was probably the only way to nudge this ill-informed govt that these residents were being neglected, and considering that Lee Junior himself is making a personal appearance, gives the sordid impression that the statistics must have left him red-faced.
As it is, even with the CTE made easily accessible, it must have come as a double-hit combo the moment Raymond Lim approved the audacious increase in ERP gantry prices. The implications are that the entire northern sector who need to use the CTE are literally being held to blackmail and doubly taxed, without a viable alternative route to choose, other than to give up driving and take public transport; which will ripple-effect and jam-pack the already overcrowded peak hour human tide. -
How did you know the "fact that almost the entire area voted against the ruling party at the last elections"?Originally posted by BillyBong:While the purpose of this visit has been to meet the residents, the likely reason behind the visit is the possible fact that almost the entire area voted against the ruling party at the last elections and Lee junior's aim is to walk the ground and cajole votes back in his favour.
Took a drive recently around the springleaf estate park where they're holding the session this coming Sunday. A lot of expensive white tentages were set up and the place seemed to have been vastly cleaned. I really wonder where the money to set up the tentages and spotlights are coming from, not to mention the food and drinks that are likely to be catered on the day itself.
I really hope it isn't govt funding since it classified more as a political meet-the-people's session.
Why did you intentionally took a drive RECENTLY around Springleaf Estate Park?
How do you know that they are going to hold the Session there, where the
tentages and spotlights are?
Are you an insider? -
Does it take much to show some interest?Originally posted by Jinpa:How did you know the "fact that almost the entire area voted against the ruling party at the last elections"?
Why did you intentionally took a drive RECENTLY around Springleaf Estate Park?
How do you know that they are going to hold the Session there, where the
tentages and spotlights are?
Are you an insider?
Then again, other than an MRT line, there's nothing much they can do for Cashew/Upp.Bukit Timah. -
Who's going to volunteer to assasinate him on that visit?Originally posted by BillyBong:While the purpose of this visit has been to meet the residents, the likely reason behind the visit is the possible fact that almost the entire area voted against the ruling party at the last elections and Lee junior's aim is to walk the ground and cajole votes back in his favour.
Took a drive recently around the springleaf estate park where they're holding the session this coming Sunday. A lot of expensive white tentages were set up and the place seemed to have been vastly cleaned. I really wonder where the money to set up the tentages and spotlights are coming from, not to mention the food and drinks that are likely to be catered on the day itself.
I really hope it isn't govt funding since it classified more as a political meet-the-people's session.
Maybe pack a car full of explosives and ram him. -
The Residents of Springlead Estate could prepare a list of issues to be brought up for LHL to address; and these could include the following :Originally posted by BillyBong:I'm not sure whether residents will push the boundaries concerning MRT access within the neighbourhood.
That being said, even if they were to push, i wonder what the response from the dragon baby will be, considering that it took the residents of Buangkok the use of unorthodox tactics of 'white cardboard elephants' which were even deemed 'illegal' by our paranod govt to force the eventual opening of Buangkok station.
The fact that LTA planning may have somewhat alleviated the problem by making the SLE and CTE accessible to this section only works in favour of those who own a car, as the number of buses servicing the area has not changed for the last 15 years, and their frequency has not improved either.
Giving the alternatives the silent vote was probably the only way to nudge this ill-informed govt that these residents were being neglected, and considering that Lee Junior himself is making a personal appearance, gives the sordid impression that the statistics must have left him red-faced.
As it is, even with the CTE made easily accessible, it must have come as a double-hit combo the moment Raymond Lim approved the audacious increase in ERP gantry prices. The implications are that the entire northern sector who need to use the CTE are literally being held to blackmail and doubly taxed, without a viable alternative route to choose, other than to give up driving and take public transport; which will ripple-effect and jam-pack the already overcrowded peak hour human tide.
Is there any justification for ERP Charges to be increased along the CTE, when it was not designed for the expected traffic loads that is clearly to be expected from the heavy public and private housing developments in the Yishun-Sembawang-Woodlands area.
The CTE was designed in the late 1970s, constructed in the late 1980s, and opened for use in the mid-1990s; and the moment the CTE was opened for use, traffic build-up was almost immediate, and in next to no time, log jam during peak hours showed that the design of the CTE did not consider traffic growth for the 21st Century.
Compared to the AYE and PIE, the design of these expressways were good to be used for more then 8 years before there was any need to improve to allow it to carry a higher load of traffic flow and at a faster speed.
Taxes - direct and indirect taxes that are shrinking the available funds even to the higher income group, how will this affect the lower income groups ?
Perhaps LHL can provide some conceptual framework - if no clear idea is available - concerning his government intention to ensure no Singaporeans are left behind ?
LHL should be questioned about the Temasek-Shin Corp transactions that has resulted in a loss of at least 40 per cent value of the invested amount, and the political fallout in the warm friendship that Singapore had with Thailand for decades.
He should be asked to clarify his "PAPa's " statement that Temasek takeover is completely above board, when the multi-tier proxy ownership is obviously contrary to Thai Law on Foreign Ownership of Public Companies.
It was totaly ingenious for the Straits Times to publish recently the close copy of Temasek's multi-tiered proxy arrangement with that of the Norwegian Telco - in its total ownership of a Thai Telecom Company through proxy arrangements. Is it correct for us to believe that with the precedence of others having done wrong and managed to circumvent the law, it becomes correct and prudent for our law abiding state owned corporation to follow such dubious arrangements ?
LHL should be asked if the Civil Service, the Police and the SAF will be neutral and respect the Constitutional Process in accepting the Election Results - in the event that an Alternative Party should be elected to form the next Government ?
Will the Ruling Party gracefully step down, or will it instigate a Constitutional Crisis ? Is our Elite from the Ruling Party politically mature to ensure that our Election System will allow for a peaceful and orderly transition and handing over of government between elected political parties ?
The Residents of Springleaf Estate are mostly professionals, businessmen, and are worldly wise; and unless they prefer to be "politically safe than sorry" - there is little to be expected from this LHL visit to this Estate. -
There is no need to be an 'insider' to learn FACTS when they are at your doorstep.Originally posted by Jinpa:How did you know the "fact that almost the entire area voted against the ruling party at the last elections"?
Why did you intentionally took a drive RECENTLY around Springleaf Estate Park?
How do you know that they are going to hold the Session there, where the
tentages and spotlights are?
Are you an insider?
Having the meet-the-residents details hand-delivered to your mailbox is the reason why i know.
Perhaps your limited perception leads you to spawn conspiracy theories at the slightest notion? If so, i'm thoroughly amused at the level of one-tracked mindedness of some people.
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i shall now lock the evidence for a criminal organisation to "assasinate" a senior official of the government of singapore.Originally posted by ölala:Who's going to volunteer to assasinate him on that visit?
Maybe pack a car full of explosives and ram him.
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