Not really millionaires yet
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They wont sarcrifice their pay one lar...self centred..Originally posted by justcooler:Just a suggestion :
If the top brass of the gov all cut 15 to 20% of their monthly salary.
We may have sufficient angel fund to help the poor and needy, so why need to 2% GST ha
Just a question ?
We all are singaporeans, we all need to work for a better singapore, but why can't our leaders take the lead by giving to the poor?
Our PM is a commission officer, and he should be very clear of 'TO LEAD TO EXCEL TO OVERCOME' Why can he lead ha, why must make all singaporeans suffer especially the lower income ones
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i'm still waiting for the answer to make me or rather us 'understand'...
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You got ask anything meh?Originally posted by 4getmenot:i'm still waiting for the answer to make me or rather us 'understand'... -
i'm asking '#$%^&*' since he say he don't understand why we emphasis so much on the ministers pay..Originally posted by TYING:You got ask anything meh? -
i feel so sad
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Ya, what do you want to know? I thought it's obvious. Singapore has efficient and effective bureaucracy/ civil service. Here public officials are well paid, from police sargeants and school teachers all the way to ministers, MPs, and president.
Here if you get stopped by a policeman, you dont try to give him $50 bucks, but you will do that in Malaysia or Indonesia.
Here the school teachers are highly trained and highly paid, where university graduates will join as a teacher gladly.
It seems obvious that the low corruption, effective and efficient civil service, is because it is managed professionally, and one of the key of that is high pay.
I know some people think Ministers, MPs, PM, are political leaders and therefore they should show more.....altruism. I just dont think it's a good idea to disrupt the system. The higher you are in a position, the more temptations you have. Precisely these ministers, MPs, PM, must and should, be in a condusive working environment where they can concentrate totally in their work, and dont need to receive gifts or getting lobied by businessmen trying to win projects.
If you bribe a policeman $50 bucks, that's a small leak in the system. What about some businessman bribe a minister millions so he give him some infrastucture project worth billions?
I know there are poor people in Singapore, but trust me if you make politicians receive low pay, there will be more poor people as a result. -
[color=blue]THE ABOVE ARE ALL S H I T.[/color]Originally posted by #$%^&*:Ya, what do you want to know? I thought it's obvious. Singapore has efficient and effective bureaucracy/ civil service. Here public officials are well paid, from police sargeants and school teachers all the way to ministers, MPs, and president.
Here if you get stopped by a policeman, you dont try to give him $50 bucks, but you will do that in Malaysia or Indonesia.
Here the school teachers are highly trained and highly paid, where university graduates will join as a teacher gladly.
It seems obvious that the low corruption, effective and efficient civil service, is because it is managed professionally, and one of the key of that is high pay.
I know some people think Ministers, MPs, PM, are political leaders and therefore they should show more.....altruism. I just dont think it's a good idea to disrupt the system. The higher you are in a position, the more temptations you have. Precisely these ministers, MPs, PM, must and should, be in a condusive working environment where they can concentrate totally in their work, and dont need to receive gifts or getting lobied by businessmen trying to win projects.
If you bribe a policeman $50 bucks, that's a small leak in the system. What about some businessman bribe a minister millions so he give him some infrastucture project worth billions?
I know there are poor people in Singapore, but trust me if you make politicians receive low pay, there will be more poor people as a result.
Of course the public officials;from teachers right to police sargeants have to be well paid in order to maintain the system.
In fact, I think the other rank policemen might be under paid.
Here, we are talking about ministers pay which, in my opinion they are paid ridiculously high. Most of the singaporeans would agree or happy if the ministers salaries were to be about 600K to 800K.
Not 1 or 2 million salaries with loads perks, unlimited years of pensions after retired and etc.....all these will erode into our national reserve and adding burden to its citizens.
Furthermore, everyone knows...singapore has no natural resources...They, the ministers, all got wrong value for life. Can they eat the money or use it as toilet papers?
Down to the bottom line.....greedy is the word. Farking greedy -
Why do people become teachers? Isn't it about the passion? Isn't it about educating the future generations? Now it sounds more like, it's for the pay.Originally posted by #$%^&*:Ya, what do you want to know? I thought it's obvious. Singapore has efficient and effective bureaucracy/ civil service. Here public officials are well paid, from police sargeants and school teachers all the way to ministers, MPs, and president.
Here if you get stopped by a policeman, you dont try to give him $50 bucks, but you will do that in Malaysia or Indonesia.
Here the school teachers are highly trained and highly paid, where university graduates will join as a teacher gladly.
Doesn't people become a police because he wants to uphold justice and maintain order? So now it's more about the pay.
Ok, so this is the ideal "meritocracy" society you are looking forward.
So you mean they legalized corruption? I thought they should have the the top brass should have the quality of "incorruptible" as well?Originally posted by #$%^&*:It seems obvious that the low corruption, effective and efficient civil service, is because it is managed professionally, and one of the key of that is high pay.
I know some people think Ministers, MPs, PM, are political leaders and therefore they should show more.....altruism. I just dont think it's a good idea to disrupt the system. The higher you are in a position, the more temptations you have. Precisely these ministers, MPs, PM, must and should, be in a condusive working environment where they can concentrate totally in their work, and dont need to receive gifts or getting lobied by businessmen trying to win projects.
If you bribe a policeman $50 bucks, that's a small leak in the system. What about some businessman bribe a minister millions so he give him some infrastucture project worth billions?
I know there are poor people in Singapore, but trust me if you make politicians receive low pay, there will be more poor people as a result.
By the way, just in case you don't know this, man is greedy. It's a fact that cannot be changed. Once you get something, you would want more, when you get more, you would hunger more something even better. It's a fact. It's a brutal truth that kicks you in the balls. (ya lah, I copy WSM. She can ask for copyrights, IF she dares.) -
Simply put, I will never condone paying a Singaporean minister more money than his American counterpart who has to handle a far larger nation, along with a higher risk element in homeland security.
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Originally posted by #$%^&*:
Here, bureaucracy mean.........
Ya, what do you want to know? I thought it's obvious. Singapore has efficient and effective [b]bureaucracy/ civil service. Here public officials are well paid, from police sargeants and school teachers all the way to ministers, MPs, and president.
Here if you get stopped by a policeman, you dont try to give him $50 bucks, but you will do that in Malaysia or Indonesia.
Here the school teachers are highly trained and highly paid, where university graduates will join as a teacher gladly.
It seems obvious that the low corruption, effective and efficient civil service, is because it is managed professionally, and one of the key of that is high pay.
I know some people think Ministers, MPs, PM, are political leaders and therefore they should show more.....altruism. I just dont think it's a good idea to disrupt the system. The higher you are in a position, the more temptations you have. Precisely these ministers, MPs, PM, must and should, be in a condusive working environment where they can concentrate totally in their work, and dont need to receive gifts or getting lobied by businessmen trying to win projects.
If you bribe a policeman $50 bucks, that's a small leak in the system. What about some businessman bribe a minister millions so he give him some infrastucture project worth billions?
I know there are poor people in Singapore, but trust me if you make politicians receive low pay, there will be more poor people as a result. [/b]
1. government by many bureaus, administrators, and petty officials.
2. the body of officials and administrators, esp. of a government or government department.
3. excessive multiplication of, and concentration of power in, administrative bureaus or administrators.
4. administration characterized by excessive red tape and routine.
Administration of a government chiefly through bureaus or departments staffed with nonelected officials.
The departments and their officials as a group: promised to reorganize the federal bureaucracy.
Management or administration marked by hierarchical authority among numerous offices and by fixed procedures: The new department head did not know much about bureaucracy.
The administrative structure of a large or complex organization: a midlevel manager in a corporate bureaucracy.
An administrative system in which the need or inclination to follow rigid or complex procedures impedes effective action: innovative ideas that get bogged down in red tape and bureaucracy
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Singapore supposed to be a democratic society. -
To put it in simpler words......... yes other countries got this that wad problems, but they are like fever or flu in which one can detect at early stages of the illness with known medication.Originally posted by #$%^&*:Ya, what do you want to know? I thought it's obvious. Singapore has efficient and effective bureaucracy/ civil service. Here public officials are well paid, from police sargeants and school teachers all the way to ministers, MPs, and president.
Here if you get stopped by a policeman, you dont try to give him $50 bucks, but you will do that in Malaysia or Indonesia.
Here the school teachers are highly trained and highly paid, where university graduates will join as a teacher gladly.
It seems obvious that the low corruption, effective and efficient civil service, is because it is managed professionally, and one of the key of that is high pay.
I know some people think Ministers, MPs, PM, are political leaders and therefore they should show more.....altruism. I just dont think it's a good idea to disrupt the system. The higher you are in a position, the more temptations you have. Precisely these ministers, MPs, PM, must and should, be in a condusive working environment where they can concentrate totally in their work, and dont need to receive gifts or getting lobied by businessmen trying to win projects.
If you bribe a policeman $50 bucks, that's a small leak in the system. What about some businessman bribe a minister millions so he give him some infrastucture project worth billions?
I know there are poor people in Singapore, but trust me if you make politicians receive low pay, there will be more poor people as a result.
But for Singapore, we are like a HIV suffer, on the surface, everything looks good, healthy and functioning well.......BUT whe it becomes FULL BLOWN AIDS, it will be too late or to be more exact, no known medication can save you... -
Wah piang!! Why you said till so cia lauct?Originally posted by equlus84:To put it in simpler words......... yes other countries got this that wad problems, but they are like fever or flu in which one can detect at early stages of the illness with known medication.
But for Singapore, we are like a HIV suffer, on the surface, everything looks good, healthy and functioning well.......BUT whe it becomes FULL BLOWN AIDS, it will be too late or to be more exact, no known medication can save you...
Although quite true lah........