S'pore's opposition leader Dr Chee and members jailed
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Originally posted by Kenashi:
If Singapore is ever run by the SDP, and with CSJ at the helm, do you not think that for at least the first five years, he will be dependent on the continuous support of Singaporeans ?
if i let Singapore be run by him, i don't think things will get any better either way
Singaporeans will hold him to his word for the Freedom that he fought for Singaporeans - unlike LKY, who demanded from the Colonial Government with all his eloquence, but conveniently loses himself along the way :
About Democracy and the Colonial Government: 1956
"If we say that we believe in democracy, if we say that the fabric of a democratic society is one which allows for the free play of idea...then, in the name of all the gods, give that free play a chance to work within the constitutional framework."
- Opposition leader Lee Kuan Yew, 1st Legislative Assembly, Oct 4, 1956
About training dogs – and Singaporeans 8 Nov 05
"Mine is a very matter-of-fact approach to the problem. If you can select a population and they're educated and they're properly brought up, then you don't have to use too much of the stick because they would already have been trained. It's like with dogs. You train it in a proper way from small. It will know that it's got to leave, go outside to pee and to defecate. No, we are not that kind of society. We had to train adult dogs who even today deliberately urinate in the lifts."
- Lee Kuan Yew on Singapore society, The Man & His Ideas, 1997
After being treated like a dog, will CSJ harbor similar attitude as LKY towards Singaporeans ?
In any case, why should CSJ be jailed, when he is taking LKY's words - at face value - spoken on the eve of Singapore's independence.
"Whereas it is the inalienable right of a people to be free and independent, I ... declare on behalf of the people and the government of Singapore that Â… [we] shall be forever a sovereign, democratic and independent nation, founded upon the principles of liberty and justice and ever seeking the welfare and happiness of her people in a more just and equal society."
- Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, eve of separation from Malaysia Aug 8, 1965 -
Agreed. Everytime he goes and do something he feels is for the "good of the country", his family suffers.Originally posted by monoslayer:i feel sad for his wife n 3 kids.
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at least he's family is supportive..Originally posted by nanren4ever:Agreed. Everytime he goes and do something he feels is for the "good of the country", his family suffers.
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5 weeks oni ah.....? This guy should be put away for 50 years I say!
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I think you Sir, should take a hike.Originally posted by :5 weeks oni ah.....? This guy should be put away for 50 years I say! -
"Precious" - it is an irony that you should adopt this word for yourself, when you hardly appreciate the agonisingly precious time that one spent in jail; or what the likes of JBJ and CSJ is doing to embarrass the Government and the MIW for their political and philosophical hypocrisy.Originally posted by :5 weeks oni ah.....? This guy should be put away for 50 years I say!
The word "PRECOCIOUS" would have been a better choice reflecting your maturing before your puberty, and hardly understanding anything of value. -
funny how every leader leans towards the left before he has power in his grasp and crushes his opponents like ants when he has the muscles to.
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They need the lefties to get power from the people. It is through the people's power that enable them to get control over the people. So democratic election is the people's selection of their own master. What slavery is that!!Originally posted by vito_corleone:funny how every leader leans towards the left before he has power in his grasp and crushes his opponents like ants when he has the muscles to.
This remind me of George Bernard Shaw's The Devil Act III:
"...for Englishmen never will be slaves: they are free to do whatever the Government and public opinion allows them to do."
We are also free people as we are free to do whatever the Government and the public opinion allows us to do. -
The law is clear on the issue and the facts of the case are not in doubt. CSJ is hoping that another jail sentence will buy him public sympathy. How pathetic!
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If Singapore is ever run by the SDP with CSJ at the helm, the nation will not last 5 yearsOriginally posted by Atobe:[/i][/color]
If Singapore is ever run by the SDP, and with CSJ at the helm, do you not think that for at least the first five years, he will be dependent on the continuous support of Singaporeans ?
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What makes you think so?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If Singapore is ever run by the SDP with CSJ at the helm, the nation will not last 5 years -
If Singapore is run by CSJ, we will not have 7% GST to help the poor.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If Singapore is ever run by the SDP with CSJ at the helm, the nation will not last 5 years -
What has CSJ done for his own party and for Singapore? Who can remember what he has said in Parliament? This is a man who has ousted his party founder and brought down the most promising Opposition party of the time by his selfish ambition. He will be remembered for his useless dramatic gestures like hunger strike (during which he cheated) and vitriolic attacks against his own country overseas.Originally posted by Hogzilla:What makes you think so?
Under his leadership, SDP has declined from being a threat to the ruling party to become a joke in the political scene. He does not inspire confidence in both local citizens and foreign investors. But I do not have to worry about him ever ruling Singapore....he won't. -
CSJ has changed to being a lobbyist and activist than a politician in the sense of word that regular Singaporeans understand it to be.
Why this shift in approach? The reasons have been thrashed about in all media.But my analysis tells me that he will not run Singapore because for the reason that he is not a natural politician.He is first and foremost an academic with a burning desire to right what he sees as wrongs. -
I feel sad for Lee Kuan Yew,Lee Hsien Loong n Goh Chok Tong,their names are going to get stinked for years to come by jailing an innocent man who persue democracy for this country.Originally posted by monoslayer:i feel sad for his wife n 3 kids. -
That is correct. His approach clearly doesn't go well with the Singaporean psyche. However, I do not think he is really in it for the votes as he must know that he is not going to get much, if any.Originally posted by LazerLordz:CSJ has changed to being a lobbyist and activist than a politician in the sense of word that regular Singaporeans understand it to be.
Why this shift in approach? The reasons have been thrashed about in all media.But my analysis tells me that he will not run Singapore because for the reason that he is not a natural politician.He is first and foremost an academic with a burning desire to right what he sees as wrongs.
I think if he keeps this up, history will treat him well. -
CSJ have the attitude of never give up and we sure do expect some stunt from him in future. Definatly i would say, he wont be ruling SG with his leadership. He can stand by a corner and give suggestions but he can never be the one who give the GO ahead command.
At least for now, we have someone to look up to who fight for SG's democracy and for this i give respect to him.
He wont ever get a chance to rule Singapore and Gahmen wont ever see this fellow give up so soon. -
Yes.Originally posted by scabstermooch:That is correct. His approach clearly doesn't go well with the Singaporean psyche. However, I do not think he is really in it for the votes as he must know that he is not going to get much, if any.
I think if he keeps this up, history will treat him well.
The litmus test is our global reputation. One day, the dichotomy between our words and deeds/ideology will become very glaring. It's in Singapore's favor to listen to what Chee has to say sometimes, after all, we are only as good as what we can produce, not what we can say. -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
CSH "ousted his Party founder and brought down the most promising Opposition Party of the time by his selfish ambition" ?
What has CSJ done for his own party and for Singapore? Who can remember what he has said in Parliament? This is a man who has ousted his party founder and brought down the most promising Opposition party of the time by his selfish ambition. He will be remembered for his useless dramatic gestures like hunger strike (during which he cheated) and vitriolic attacks against his own country overseas.
Under his leadership, SDP has declined from being a threat to the ruling party to become a joke in the political scene. He does not inspire confidence in both local citizens and foreign investors. But I do not have to worry about him ever ruling Singapore....he won't.
If this is not another wild unsubstantiated speculation from one who claims to be a PhD but will resort to disinformation that was purposefully made to slander CSJ and the SDP.
If you were more familiar with the SDP
If may serve you well if you familiarize yourself to the writings of some other more educated supporters of CSJ than on slanderous street talk,
While the ideals and vision of the SDP is embodied in Dr. Chee, he is by no means ‘the Party’. He is simply its voice. He alone cannot engineer or oust Mr. Chiam without the combined, voting capacity of the Central Executive Committee and the cadres of the SDP. The SDP, the Party being democratic and not autocratic or monastic, believed that it was time to have a change for leadership to steer it in the right direction. That was why Dr. Chee ‘took over’ Mr. Chiam’s role as Secretary General. Mr. Chiam resigned from the SDP in 1993. The Party and/or Dr. Chee did not ‘kick him out’ --- a myth which The Straits Times has and had propagated, a myth which so many Singaporeans so readily swallow without question.
Hence, let the following facts be now known:
Mr. Chiam See Tong of the Singapore PeopleÂ’s Party (SPP) RESIGNED as Secretary-General of the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) in 1993.
Even then the SDP held back releasing this news for one month in the hope that they could persuade him to change his mind.
The SDP only went public AFTER Mr. Chiam refused to yield and insisted that for him to come back as the Sec-Gen., he must be given the powers to appoint CEC and cadre members (in effect, single-handedly controlling the party). This is undemocratic as this is what many SDP members joined the Party to fight the PAP on.
Mr. Chiam then decided to go to the Singapore Press Club, which has never been friendly to the Opposition to run down his colleagues and leaders of the party, leaders which members freely elected.
(All members had earlier on signed an oath -- that no member shall criticize the party publicly after they left it.)
It was only then that the Party voted to expel Mr. Chiam.
If all the scholars engaged by the present Government cannot run the country, perhaps it is time for this Government to loosen its grip, so as to allow a more competitive environment in which the first generation of leaders found themselves in, and which threw up the best from the Community.
Is it not a surprise that we see less self-made Singaporean success stories, when compared to the early Singapore History under the Colonial Government ?
Are there any self-made Singaporean equivalent to the likes of Tan Lark Sye, Tan Kah Kee, Lee Kong Chian, Ng Quee Lam, Chen Su-Lan, Kwek Lian Hong, the Aw Brothers of Haw Par, and their other modest contemporaries ?
CSJ and the likes of Chia Ti Lek and Goh Meng Seng - have dared to stand by their principles, and at least have dared to challenge the establishment with their impeccable private life.
They were honest to their cause and their beliefs.
What can a mushroom from Oxford hope to establish - despite the claims of a PhD qualification - when claiming to disassociate from the politics of the Ruling Party, will unashamedly further their cause in sneakiest manner ? -
I think in CSJ's case, no matter who is in power, he will always kao pei one.
Anyone needs a mirror to look at himself (or herself or itself), CSJ fits this role prefectly. He will rant loudly, doing drastic actions or do whatever it takes to get his idea through.
Ya, I consider him another co.ckroach, in another way. -
What is he fighting for? Democracy? Didnt his party join in the elections? Not democractic meh?
He is just fighting for Singaporeans but for what? Over we singaporeans oppressed? We are not North Korea.
We have elections, proper proceeding in elections. Cant deny Pap uses belly politics to gain votes.
We cant deny that land uses is limited, that why our flats are high-priced. Our money put into CPF helps us in many ways when we need them and for our retirement.
So what is CSJ fighting for? Free Speech? Freedom? The way he go after GCT in a hawker centre proves he is capable of sprouting rubbish.
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if ever 1 day PAP falls. Lao lee will just pack up and leave, he doesnt even care about the citizen or the country he cares about making $
their saving can last for like 20 generation of their lee dynasty