Four Males and a Rape Victim ....
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Aren't you glad that you're not a female in Pakistan ? ....
Pakistan senate backs rape bill
Gen Musharraf has said women need to be better protected
The upper house of Pakistan's parliament has backed a bill amending an Islamic law on rape and adultery.
Until now rape cases have been dealt with in Sharia courts. Victims had to have four male witnesses to the crime - or else face prosecution for adultery.
The new law, which must be approved by Pakistani leader Gen Pervez Musharraf, allows civil courts to try rape cases.
The senate rejected objections to the bill put forward by Islamist MPs who boycotted last week's lower house vote.
Khurshid Ahmed, a leader of an opposition coalition of religious parties, described the bill as "an attempt to promote an alien culture and secularism in Pakistan", according to the Associated Press news agency.
The new law allows for DNA and other scientific evidence to be used in prosecuting rape cases.
It also drops the death penalty for people having sex outside marriage.
A woman is raped every two hours and gang-raped every eight hours in Pakistan, according to the country's independent Human Rights Commission.
Correspondents say these figures are probably an under-estimation as many rapes are not reported.
Campaigners have said Pakistan's existing laws make it virtually impossible to prosecute rape.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6178214.stm
anyone surprised at the rape statistics ? ....
and there are still pricks against it ? .....
google "Mukthar Mai" for more outrages ..... -
OMG, this is...
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lots of fortunate women in singapore.
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That means Pakistan allows rape but not gang rape lah.
You see har, when you gang rape, your accompolice become the witness liao, then they can testify against you..... -
Heard about this before.
It's really twisted logic -
not if you're one of those men .......Originally posted by elindra:Heard about this before.
It's really twisted logic
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4330335.stm
how's that ? ... someone fabricates a story against your 12 year old brother ... saying that he's been seen in the company of some woman .... (to cover up a sexual attack against HIM .... but at least the sodomy convictions against his attackers stood ... )
then as punishment for the brother's "crime", the sister got gang-raped ......
I'll leave the legal fracas for everyone to read .....
they should be ashamed that they are using a religion as a cloak ... but I suppose hell would have an especial place for such people ... -
Just to clarify things here....
This requirement of having four witnesses only applies to adultery. If you want to accuse someone of adultery, then you need four witnesses to the act.
As you can see, some idiots have applied some really, really twisted logic and made it apply to rape as well. There is no such requirement which demands that the victim produces four witnesses. So long as there is sufficient evidence to prove that the woman has been raped by the suspect (DNA evidence, etc) then the charge sticks.
This article will help clear things up a bit:
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_351_400/rape_against_muslim_women.htm
To quote Sheikh Ahmad Kutty from the article:A raped woman is a victim that must be treated with honor and kindness. She is not required to produce four witnesses to prove the crime done against her, nor is she punished for the crime done against her.
A woman who has been raped cannot be asked to produce witnesses; her claim shall be accepted unless there are tangible grounds to prove otherwise. To insist that she provide witnesses is akin to inflicting further pain on her. If anyone refutes her claim of innocence, the onus is on him to provide evidence, and she may simply deny the claim by making a solemn oath, thus clearing herself in public.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “The onus to provide evidence falls on the one who makes a claim, and the one who denies (the same) can absolve himself or herself by making a solemn oath to the contrary.” -
the operative word here is witness, if the rapists refuse to testify, there are no witnesses.....it's unbelievable men of religion would consider thrash as holiness....Originally posted by Hogzilla:That means Pakistan allows rape but not gang rape lah.
You see har, when you gang rape, your accompolice become the witness liao, then they can testify against you..... -
someone should show those neanderthals that ...
it's bad enough that a rape victim often couldn't get redress, but to get punished for being raped ?!?!?! ....... -
many rape victims rather keep quiet than go to the authorities in these countries
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what kind of ruling is this?