Learn from this Myanmar maid, Singaporeans!
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There's definitely something positive in the Myanmar maid's attitude that is very admirable and that we can learn a thing or two. But there are many differences between us and those from Myanmar in terms of environment and political situation so that she cannot be compared with us wholly..... like apples and oranges....
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well said. these bunch of people are just lucky to be in Singapore. they probably could be sweeping the road if eleswhere.Originally posted by www:yeah, i absolutely agree. our MPs should learn from this maid.
with their salary, they should work 6000 hours per day as compared to wat the maid is getting.
compare apple to apple and orange to orange.
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WTF man... compare Myanmar with Singaporeans????
Why not try Africans?
What about Eskimos???
WTF! Wrong ingredients for the wrong farking dish!!!! -
To summarise it all
40 years of economic devt go to what? Graduating with a degree and work as a $300 per month maid?
Strangely, why is it the guys who have it all find it so easy to tell the non-elites to 'bear with it'?
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Market forces will decide your remuneration, and the market has suddenly become much larger with globalisation. Given the willingness of foreigners to accept low pay and work in all kinds of jobs, even if they are over-qualified for them; employers have greater choices. And it's not just Myanmar maids, graduates in SiChuan are working as maids in Beijing.
If you possess skills that are in demand, you command higher salaries. If others can do the same job and are willing to accept lower pay for it, you lose your job. It's that simple.
You can't live on such low salaries? Well, these foreign workers have shown that they can and still send money home. The fact is: we don't want to live on such low salaries. Then we will just have to offer employers something much more than what foreigners can do. -
Do you have any idea what you're saying?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:You can't live on such low salaries? Well, these foreign workers have shown that they can and still send money home. The fact is: we don't want to live on such low salaries. Then we will just have to offer employers something much more than what foreigners can do. You have to remember although they only take like $300-400 monthly, lodging is provided, food is provided. I like to see them live on $300 monthly to pay for their own place to stay and food for the month, and still have money to send back. -
TS talks without understanding the full context.
Its a meaningless post and meaningless discussion. -
You changing the topic to this thread liao arOriginally posted by oxford mushroom:Market forces will decide your remuneration, and the market has suddenly become much larger with globalisation. Given the willingness of foreigners to accept low pay and work in all kinds of jobs, even if they are over-qualified for them; employers have greater choices. And it's not just Myanmar maids, graduates in SiChuan are working as maids in Beijing.
If you possess skills that are in demand, you command higher salaries. If others can do the same job and are willing to accept lower pay for it, you lose your job. It's that simple.
You can't live on such low salaries? Well, these foreign workers have shown that they can and still send money home. The fact is: we don't want to live on such low salaries. Then we will just have to offer employers something much more than what foreigners can do. -
$300 where got enuff? pay rent oso not enuff lor
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Oxford Mushroom, did you ever take a module in economics or business management? 300 Sing dollars ain't enough for us to make a living with in Singapore. And if we are white collar top management caliber personnel with the appropriate degrees, are we that dumb to accept such low paying jobs?
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TS is not even living in sg to know how many of us suffer, still got the cheek to act like a pappy dog n claim we have a 'good' government. perhap maybe he is one of MP's son?
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Hmm.... My sister is intending to major in philosophy when she enters NUS next year. Skali when she comes out she becomes a maid...Originally posted by oxford mushroom:"Myanmar national Chaw Su Htwe, a philosophy graduate from Yangon's Dagon University, said she came to Singapore because it is hard to find a job back home. -
Let's put it in a brutally frank manner, OM:
Why don't YOU learn from this Burmese maid by coming back here and trying to slog through a living here? Sheesh... talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
By the way, I use 'Burma' instead of 'Myanmar' to show my utter contempt for the regime running that country. -
Again, wrong comparison at the wrong thing.
TS, you have neglected the difference in living standard and the currency exchange rate between the two countries.
Any more sophistry? -
yes we should all learn from her..
All degree holders please apply for a maids job in Switzerland and other first world country and send money back every month. Don;t forget to send some money to your familys' in singapore also if your family hasn;t left you yet... -
When talking about market forces deciding the renumeration,, weÂ’re referring to jobs in private sector which require high qualifications.
Referring to low wage workers, if you work, then you shouldn't be poor, there must be a minimum wage. A job should keep you out of poverty, not keep you in it.
SGD300 is a starving wage. A single man could get by with $10 for 3 meals a day, provided he get a license to live in a trailer outside parliament house and use it’s public toilet to clean himself – for free. Even if government will take good care of him when he’s old, what kind of life is that? -
well said..Originally posted by googoomuck:When talking about market forces deciding the renumeration,, weÂ’re referring to jobs in private sector which require high qualifications.
Referring to low wage workers, if you work, then you shouldn't be poor, there must be a minimum wage. A job should keep you out of poverty, not keep you in it.
SGD300 is a starving wage. A single man could get by with $10 for 3 meals a day, provided he get a license to live in a trailer outside parliament house and use it’s public toilet to clean himself – for free. Even if government will take good care of him when he’s old, what kind of life is that? -
The point you are trying to make about determination is logical. However, that's where the article's usefulness ends.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Market forces will decide your remuneration, and the market has suddenly become much larger with globalisation. Given the willingness of foreigners to accept low pay and work in all kinds of jobs, even if they are over-qualified for them; employers have greater choices. And it's not just Myanmar maids, graduates in SiChuan are working as maids in Beijing.
If you possess skills that are in demand, you command higher salaries. If others can do the same job and are willing to accept lower pay for it, you lose your job. It's that simple.
You can't live on such low salaries? Well, these foreign workers have shown that they can and still send money home. The fact is: we don't want to live on such low salaries. Then we will just have to offer employers something much more than what foreigners can do.
If you would look at her situation comparative vis-a-vis a local, it is radically different. She is working in a country for low absolute wages by Singapore's standard of living, whereas this same paltry amount, will attain value-addedness back in Yangon due to forex issues and differences in a standard of living.
Ask her if she's willing to work for the equivalent of $300 in Burmese currency in Yangon, she'd definitely say no in a jiffy.
Can a person live on $300 in Singapore? Dream on.
Wage-primacy policies will never serve to bootstrap a nation's valueaddedness in her workforce, because it will always pander to the lowest common denominator, not to mention making a mockery out of the WDA. -
Yes and we paid the maid fees of $1.5K++ to the agency then this amount passed down to government...Originally posted by www:yeah, i absolutely agree. our MPs should learn from this maid.
with their salary, they should work 6000 hours per day as compared to wat the maid is getting.
compare apple to apple and orange to orange.
I rather 80% go to the maid than most of the earnings go to government. All the talk about following US Abraham Lincoln protection against slavery...
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Mr Oxford Mushroom, are you on high again with those magic mushroom from Koh Samui ?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Market forces will decide your remuneration, and the market has suddenly become much larger with globalisation. Given the willingness of foreigners to accept low pay and work in all kinds of jobs, even if they are over-qualified for them; employers have greater choices. And it's not just Myanmar maids, graduates in SiChuan are working as maids in Beijing.
If you possess skills that are in demand, you command higher salaries. If others can do the same job and are willing to accept lower pay for it, you lose your job. It's that simple.
You can't live on such low salaries? Well, these foreign workers have shown that they can and still send money home. The fact is: we don't want to live on such low salaries. Then we will just have to offer employers something much more than what foreigners can do.
Regarding the article you posted above, I sincerely appluaded the Burmese maid's attitude. However you have disappointed me. You fail to understand the differences between the cost and standard of living in Burma and Singapore. Are you stiill thinking that Singaporeans are still living in likes of the Fifties where $300 can provide a family with very decent means ? Well, life here has changed aplenty.
Maybe you have another motives,you are trying to influence the educated to leave Singapore and migrate abroad ? Or the not so well educated ones to leave the country illegally to work as low end workers in the developed countries with the likes of Chinese illegal immigrants abroad ?
Despite your so called high end education, you just fail and failed badly to understand these simple economic basics, the widening disparity between the rich and poor in Singapore. Please do not compare us with Third World countries while aiming to be First.
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Sad, isn't it?Originally posted by miserable:Despite your so called high end education, you just fail and failed badly to understand these simple economic basics, the widening disparity between the rich and poor in Singapore. Please do not compare us with Third World countries while aiming to be First.
There's a maxim which I hold on to pretty strongly: 'If you keep looking back, you'll never be able to see what's ahead of you.'
I suppose it's just too complex a concept for our leaders to grasp. -
Very sad indeed.Originally posted by fudgester:Sad, isn't it?
There's a maxim which I hold on to pretty strongly: 'If you keep looking back, you'll never be able to see what's ahead of you.'
I suppose it's just too complex a concept for our leaders to grasp.
Hey,maybe we should just return Singapore back to the good old fishing village days. 
Have a poppy plantation and keep all on the high. -
For starters, casinos on the way, soon we will have adrenaline junkies on the rise. For poppers, we have them in sanitise condition to keep them dry.Originally posted by miserable:Very sad indeed. Hey,maybe we should just return Singapore back to the good old fishing village days.
Have a poppy plantation and keep all on the high. -
With kudos to Myanmar maid's $300 dream; Singaporean $++++ plus to have her n ensue her dreams.
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whats the diff between burma n myanmar?Originally posted by fudgester:Let's put it in a brutally frank manner, OM:
Why don't YOU learn from this Burmese maid by coming back here and trying to slog through a living here? Sheesh... talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
By the way, I use 'Burma' instead of 'Myanmar' to show my utter contempt for the regime running that country.