Government outsourcing saves tonnes of $$$$
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SINGAPORE: The government has managed to save about S$35 million of its annual operational costs by outsourcing some of its non-strategic services.
The Health Sciences Authority's laboratory support services, such as the cleaning of lab equipment and handling of waste and chemicals, are among the 158 functions that have been contracted out.
Together, these projects are worth S$664.7 million.
In the past, the govt had done so many outsourcing, retrenchment and re-structuring of GLC and govt sectors..the govt mentioned outsourcing had save loads of money. But......why is it the govt keep prices increasing on this and that? Soon it will be the GST from 5% to 7%.
I find the above are very contradicting. -
so many stories had not added up. So what's one more.
Singaporeans had never questioned them. Even if we did, we would be ridiculed.. -
ever heard of creative accounting?
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the govt shouldnt outsource and leave its citizens without job.
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When they save so much money, where does the savings go? Definitely not back to us right?
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outsource to cut and leave its citizens without a job.
yet now they want to give themselves a good increment to match the private sector.
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wow imagine the interest they collecting inside the bank goes to their pocket..
than their pocket par par.. oh mine.. -
We will save even MORE money if we outsource our govt. In fact, outsourcing to first world USA would be cheaper than keeping our own around. -
Yup...very creative when it comes to accounting.
Bottomline is that we should just leave this place and not take our chances with rising costs. Costs are high overseas but at least we live decent lives, have more space and not become claustrophobic
Talk about 1st world country....so many things here are like 3rd world and the attitude sucks......it will always be this way and will never change, not at least for the next 25-35 years.....
Come join us who have already left.....May not be heaven but certainly beats the superficial lives we lead here -
Health and education ministries reviewing fees for PRs and foreigners
By Farah Abdul Rahim, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 03 December 2006 1918 hrs
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Health and education ministries reviewing fees for PRs and foreigners
SINGAPORE: Singapore citizens will always come first, before Permanent Residents and non-citizens, says Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.
That is why the health and education ministries are now working on changes to reduce fee subsidies for non-citizens, so that foreigners do not enjoy the same benefits as Singaporeans.
The next offset package for the GST increase will be for Singaporeans only, just like the Progress Package earlier this year, said Prime Minister Lee.
This is because the Government's responsibility is to Singaporeans first, although Permanent Residents and foreign workers will remain priorities.
"While we have non-citizens here, citizens always come first. We have to treat them as the best, we have to treat visitors well too but citizens have to be treated better," Mr Lee said.
"Right now, PRs enjoy the same subsidies as Singaporeans for education and healthcare, and in fact in healthcare, foreign workers also receive subsidised treatment. I think we should make a clear difference – PRs should pay more than Singaporeans but less than other foreigners, there is a distinction.
"If you are not a PR and not a citizen, you should be given good treatment but we will not give you special privileges."
For education, Mr Lee said there are plans to charge non-citizens more, but not to set fees so high that foreign students will not come.
While for healthcare, foreign workers will have to bear the full costs of their medical bills.
Halimah Yacob, Chairman of the GPC for Health, said that employers of foreign workers should do a proper costing to cover their full healthcare need so that Singaporeans would not end up paying for them. She also hopes that employers will not ignore the needs of these foreign workers.
"We got feedback from many Singaporeans and even from my own constituents that since everything's equal for Singaporeans, foreigners and PRs, what's so special about being Singaporean? To some extent, short of being nationalistic, PM's message of 'citizens first' is well overdue. It'll be much appreciated among Singaporeans who are wondering what's in it for me holding that red passport," said Zaqy Mohamad, MP of Hong Kah GRC.
More details about the review will be announced by the respective ministries over the next few months. - CNA/so
So...in past, the foreigners had been getting subsidys from our ''good and generous'' govt. Now, the govt are adjusting the fees higher for foreigners...what about the locals?
I can say, we have lost billions of dollars to subsidize foreigners at the expense of the poor peasants or singaporeans. These show how ''good'' is our govt.
If the head of state has to go on air to tell whole world that we have to treat our own people better than outsiders - THEN SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY SERIOUSLY WRONG! THE SOUL OF THE NATION IS REAL SICK !!!!
HAVE WE NOT BEEN TAKING CARE OF OUR OWN PEOPLE BETTER THAN FOREIGNERS ???????
OR HAS THE CHORUS OF CRYING VOICES BEEN TOO JARRING ON THE EARS OF LATE , AND SIGNALLING A THREAT TO THE FABRIC OF THE NATION ?
We had done and wasted 2 to 2.5 years in National Service...Foreigners came and got their citizenship so easily and also given all sorts of goodies. SO...what we as a pure singaporeans?????
During my NS days.....I had always suffered injuries from excercises. The worst of all was the f uc king full pack that was held at my back. In FBO...or Full battle order and we will have to run 5 KM. The f u c k ing full pack had no cushion and it rubs against my back and I have to suffer with severe wounds and it took months to recovered. -
People who cannot leave, has no way out, will head to the nearest MRT tracks.Originally posted by Coquitlam:Yup...very creative when it comes to accounting.
Bottomline is that we should just leave this place and not take our chances with rising costs. Costs are high overseas but at least we live decent lives, have more space and not become claustrophobic
Talk about 1st world country....so many things here are like 3rd world and the attitude sucks......it will always be this way and will never change, not at least for the next 25-35 years.....
Come join us who have already left.....May not be heaven but certainly beats the superficial lives we lead here -
Actually hor..
Uncle here think 'Outsource' is a legal way to transfer Gov $ into private pockets leh..
Notice who they 'outsource' those jobs to? And in most cases, I cannot understand how 'outsourcing' will cost that much.
Eg. SAF 'outsource' their cook house to several 'u know who' company. Anyone here know how much each meal cost SAF?
While 'smaller' contracts are 'outsourced' to private companies, these tenders are usually awarded to lowest price with very thin margins.
So 'outsourcing' save $$?? uncle dun think so. -
Wah, Thank God I'm not serving national slavery anymore....
Luckily for many of us, we pack our kids off to other lands so they get a headstart, not necessarily a better life but at least a headstart where don't waste 2 years of their lives protecting foreigners...they all things are equal here....why hold onto my passport...damn...throwing it away man -
What makes you think that the jobs are currently taken up by citizens?Originally posted by dragg:the govt shouldnt outsource and leave its citizens without job.
They still employ alot of foreign talents, some of Singapore Post mailman are foreigners.
First of all, they should not let in so many foreigners. -
Now that you finally start to distinguish between citizens and PRs, and say they will pay more than citizens for health and education, approximately about 10% more.
Let me put forth a counter proposal to you, my million-dollared world-talented ministers, I will gladly PAY whatever rate you decide the PRs should pay, and in turn,
I will be exempted from National Service, RT, Reservist Duties and be allowed to hold a foreign passport.
Since you feel that the new scheme gives singapore citizienship so much more advantage, I am sure you will find my counter-proposal extremely appealing and fair. -
Originally posted by Lowclassman:
I never believe in such things. Last time I went to Army Pride parade (i mean.. Day).
SINGAPORE: The government has managed to save about S$35 million of its annual operational costs by outsourcing some of its non-strategic services.
The Health Sciences Authority's laboratory support services, such as the cleaning of lab equipment and handling of waste and chemicals, are among the 158 functions that have been contracted out.
Together, these projects are worth S$664.7 million.
I find the above are very contradicting.[/color][/size][/b]
One of the cost saving innovation was this rack to prevent signal sets from beign pulled and thus damaging a RJ-45 jack.
So their cost justification..
Number of RJ-45 cables in signal set = 30 (can't dispute)
Attempts before successfully replacing a RJ 45 jack = 6 (you stupid or what? 1 is enough)
Price of 1 RJ-45 jack = $2.00 (i can get them for $0.35)
Number of signal sets in an exercise = 20 (can't dispute)
So they say in one exercise they can save = 30 x 6 x 2 x 20 = $720.
My calculation = 30 x 1 x 0.35 x 20 = $210 -
its called creative accounting..Originally posted by Ponders:I never believe in such things. Last time I went to Army Pride parade (i mean.. Day).
One of the cost saving innovation was this rack to prevent signal sets from beign pulled and thus damaging a RJ-45 jack.
So their cost justification..
Number of RJ-45 cables in signal set = 30 (can't dispute)
Attempts before successfully replacing a RJ 45 jack = 6 (you stupid or what? 1 is enough)
Price of 1 RJ-45 jack = $2.00 (i can get them for $0.35)
Number of signal sets in an exercise = 20 (can't dispute)
So they say in one exercise they can save = 30 x 6 x 2 x 20 = $720.
My calculation = 30 x 1 x 0.35 x 20 = $210
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MM, SM, PM, and all ministers can outsource or not ah?
Outsource MINDEF and MOE. 2 biggest bulk of singapore's Budget. Sure save alot of money one. $20billion at least. -
why do we need a SM and a MM?
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Originally posted by Lowclassman:
hey after u post this hor.. i saw the outsource article in straits times leh...
SINGAPORE: The government has managed to save about S$35 million of its annual operational costs by outsourcing some of its non-strategic services.
The Health Sciences Authority's laboratory support services, such as the cleaning of lab equipment and handling of waste and chemicals, are among the 158 functions that have been contracted out.
Together, these projects are worth S$664.7 million.
[b]In the past, the govt had done so many outsourcing, retrenchment and re-structuring of GLC and govt sectors..the govt mentioned outsourcing had save loads of money. But......why is it the govt keep prices increasing on this and that? Soon it will be the GST from 5% to 7%.
I find the above are very contradicting.[/b]
but i lazy to read -
frankly, i think all the idiots up high have been conned by the con-men-sultants...
outsourcing sounds good...
however, there have been too many stories out there, documenting the disaster to private companies which outsourced their services and other things.. there are good economies of scale if you do it right, however it seems that very few do their outsourcing right..
sometimes, it is very myopic to outsource things... it saves a small sum of money and the bigwigs are patting themselves in the back.. however, it usually creates a monster of a problem brewing under the surface.. all one has to do is to look around, do a google search and see that a lot of companies are frantically trying to bring their outsourced projects back inhouse...
that being said, in my eleven years in the workforce, i've noticed that a lot of senior management people lack the streetsmarts to be able to tell if a consultant is a charlatan or for real.. in the end, most of the senior management people get sucked in by the charlatan while they hate the ones who are for real..
and therefore, i wonder which charlatan pocketed a huge consultant fee (probably in 6 figures) to recommend these things which the poor working hacks in the civil service, the clerks, the frontline and their frontline execs, pick up the pieces and try to achieve miracles and make the unworkable work... -
Someone has to cut ribbons and be the guest-of-honour at ceremonies when the PM isn't around, you know.Originally posted by dragg:why do we need a SM and a MM? -
Everything is short term nowadays.Originally posted by the Bear:frankly, i think all the idiots up high have been conned by the con-men-sultants...
outsourcing sounds good...
however, there have been too many stories out there, documenting the disaster to private companies which outsourced their services and other things.. there are good economies of scale if you do it right, however it seems that very few do their outsourcing right..
sometimes, it is very myopic to outsource things... it saves a small sum of money and the bigwigs are patting themselves in the back.. however, it usually creates a monster of a problem brewing under the surface.. all one has to do is to look around, do a google search and see that a lot of companies are frantically trying to bring their outsourced projects back inhouse...
that being said, in my eleven years in the workforce, i've noticed that a lot of senior management people lack the streetsmarts to be able to tell if a consultant is a charlatan or for real.. in the end, most of the senior management people get sucked in by the charlatan while they hate the ones who are for real..
and therefore, i wonder which charlatan pocketed a huge consultant fee (probably in 6 figures) to recommend these things which the poor working hacks in the civil service, the clerks, the frontline and their frontline execs, pick up the pieces and try to achieve miracles and make the unworkable work...
These management in a parallel to our system : do short term, then grab all the glory and chance to self promote. Move on to the next high or different role and ask for more money and show proven track record of cost savings and screw more people in the next high role/new position and so on and so forth. Then they also hire people like themselves to build a empire and protect their arse. When there is opportunity to use retrenchment, it will be used to get rid of that person who throw the opposition vote because he worked from bottom up and knows it will never function. So these arse holes cloister together and form a gang. Then they cloister the CEO, chairperson and all the power they can and only feed the information that they want these top brass want to hear.. Oh we are gaining market share (but didn't mention that the whole market they are targetting is shrinking nor mention that external forces are driving people towards competitor)
Nowadays, management are chosen because of academic studies. Not many knows the grounds. They don't care for that matter. Everything will look good ideally on paper. So reality is chuck out the window and everyone below is forced to work based on the beautiful picture drawn in that theorical report the managers write in their spare 5 minutes between golf sessions. Then like what you said, pat themselves for creative thinking and then lobby the CEO to implement the solution and some fiticious sum to show savings. When there is feedback, I heard the often repeated, its for the good of the company (I tot its for the good of the manager's pockets only). That was what happened in my last work place. So I quit and now I read reports about the company losing to others in their bids - I am happy that the company is now only surviving. CEO then blame ground folk for not doing their part and therefore more irrelevent outsourcing to 'reduce more cost' to stay afloat. While they plan to outsource, the same managers will spin off a number of companies to win these outsource bids. So on and so forth.
This is what happen in real companies, in companies I worked for. In Enron. Now its a parallel here. -
You are right!Originally posted by mistyblue:Everything is short term nowadays.
These management in a parallel to our system : do short term, then grab all the glory and chance to self promote. Move on to the next high or different role and ask for more money and show proven track record of cost savings and screw more people in the next high role/new position and so on and so forth. Then they also hire people like themselves to build a empire and protect their arse. When there is opportunity to use retrenchment, it will be used to get rid of that person who throw the opposition vote because he worked from bottom up and knows it will never function. So these arse holes cloister together and form a gang. Then they cloister the CEO, chairperson and all the power they can and only feed the information that they want these top brass want to hear.. Oh we are gaining market share (but didn't mention that the whole market they are targetting is shrinking nor mention that external forces are driving people towards competitor)
Nowadays, management are chosen because of academic studies. Not many knows the grounds. They don't care for that matter. Everything will look good ideally on paper. So reality is chuck out the window and everyone below is forced to work based on the beautiful picture drawn in that theorical report the managers write in their spare 5 minutes between golf sessions. Then like what you said, pat themselves for creative thinking and then lobby the CEO to implement the solution and some fiticious sum to show savings. When there is feedback, I heard the often repeated, its for the good of the company (I tot its for the good of the manager's pockets only). That was what happened in my last work place. So I quit and now I read reports about the company losing to others in their bids - I am happy that the company is now only surviving. CEO then blame ground folk for not doing their part and therefore more irrelevent outsourcing to 'reduce more cost' to stay afloat. While they plan to outsource, the same managers will spin off a number of companies to win these outsource bids. So on and so forth.
This is what happen in real companies, in companies I worked for. In Enron. Now its a parallel here.
This is the trend that's moving...and managed by so called the ''elites''. They copied your ideals and claimed it was theirs. Shameful bastards -
Oh their dogs will come pick your brains and then present your ideas as theirs.Originally posted by Lowclassman:You are right!
This is the trend that's moving...and managed by so called the ''elites''. They copied your ideals and claimed it was theirs. Shameful bastards
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