A Bit Tired...
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Whatever the reason, most Singaporeans vote for the PAP, thus opposition not only have to face the government, they also have limited support from the people.Originally posted by TYING:Come on...
Its not as though that singaporeans really meant to vote for the PAP or with sincerity at least. They have to think about their future. Yes, call us cowards, but in order to live safely and properly (
), we HAVE or are FORCED to vote for them.
Those constituencies who did not vote for them end up not having the funds to upgrade their area. This caused a lot inconvenience to the elderly and the disabled as they need the installations a lot. You never know, they might list down those people who did not vote for them and deny them the rights to packages given out by the government.
Hence, we are being force to vote for them. Because, PAP tricked many people into thinking that they are the government when they are not. Also, they abused their authority just because they have the larger number of people in the government, thus they made use of the money meant for the community.
Therefore, the only thing we can do is pray that they will drop dead one by one and be banished to the 18th level of hell. TO HELL WITH THEM!
You shouldn't blame the PAP at all if you voted for them. If you voted for them but pretend-pretend to support opposition just to be popular, how are you different from oxford mushroom? Except he is more honest? -
Did you know that only a small percentage of people in Singapore actually had the chance to vote?
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Let me tell you what I dream of:Originally posted by LazerLordz:If you are a dreamer, you are NOT a loser.
Why do you need to measure yourself by what the others; who are too lazy to wake up their minds and consciously reject the crap that they have been fed; think?
If you are leading a comfortable life, you have a duty to speak out to the best of your ability. We may not acheive concrete change overnight, but if we do not speak our mind, can you tell your kids in their face that "I'm sorry, Daddy didn't do enough, or contributed in his little way when he could?"
It's worth thinking. The minute those of us who are comfortable, lapse into apathy, then it's the death knell of an alternative voice in Singaporean society.
1. I dream of a Singapore which has its own culture, traditions and language, contributed from our ancestors, but distinct from the other nations. I dream that our culture and language can flourish and create its own art and applications.
2. I dream of a Singapore with a strong national identity that transcends race or partisan views. Where Singaporeans are proud of their common heritage and are willing to stand for fellow Singaporeans rather than foreign nationals of their own race.
3. I dream of a Singapore with a sustainable economy that doesn't have constantly run on a race to benchmark itself with huge Western nations, but with small rich-poor gap that is the envy of the world.
4. I dream of a Singapore that values individual creativity and freedoms and a society more tolerant of bizarre ideas, because the most desperately creative agents that bring about world leading changes are necessarily individuals. That one day someone would say "who made this crazy device/provocative play? Only in Singapore of course."
I have these dreams - the dreams of a loser. For an individual who is always a nobody and whose ideas are always whiny complaints can never make a difference.
Only society as a whole, powerful people and organizations can make a difference, but why should they fix something that isn't broken? Singaporeans themselves are happy with the way things are - people who see any different are definitely losers, because they have no support of the people.
Winners will determine the future; dreamers like me are just passing gas in the footnote of history. -
I have similar visions. But I choose to see myself not as a dreamer, and although one man cannot make a difference, but each of us, doing our little bit, does have an impact.
Look at our blogosphere, it is growing day by day. That's one sign that people have not given up caring for this country. -
Does it actually matter?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Did you know that only a small percentage of people in Singapore actually had the chance to vote?
im doubtful that e opposition would gain any additional seats aniway -
But that is on a big scale. And majority of the Singaporeans are not willing to overcome their fear and oppose. Convincing them would take 9 life time.Originally posted by LazerLordz:So, if everyone is less willing to be sucked into consumption, and focus on longer-term issues, a bit of hardship here and there will bring more rewards ain't that so?
The system is not good enough for us today, it has proven inadequate to bring Singapore further up the ladder. -
I'm just correcting a technicality lah.Originally posted by Chelzea:Does it actually matter? im doubtful that e opposition would gain any additional seats aniway 
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I am very different from oxford mushroom so dont compare me to that fungus. And i don't support the opposition just to gain popularity. By the way, only a couple of candidates in the opposition are up to standard.Originally posted by Cystaire:Whatever the reason, most Singaporeans vote for the PAP, thus opposition not only have to face the government, they also have limited support from the people.
You shouldn't blame the PAP at all if you voted for them. If you voted for them but pretend-pretend to support opposition just to be popular, how are you different from oxford mushroom? Except he is more honest?
For your information or maybe you would not be even interested in knowing, I do not agree with the way PAP handle their policies implemented. As i still cant vote, i have tried to persuade my parents to vote for the opposition instead to give it a try.
So I am not what you make me out to be. -
But many of us are out there? Five? 200?Originally posted by LazerLordz:I have similar visions. But I choose to see myself not as a dreamer, and although one man cannot make a difference, but each of us, doing our little bit, does have an impact.
Look at our blogosphere, it is growing day by day. That's one sign that people have not given up caring for this country.
Can we make a difference? Millions of Singaporeans are happy with the way things are, maybe just complain a lot now and then.
We cannot compell fellow Singaporeans with a vision they do not share.
The blogosphere may be growing, but it may over-represent dissenting voices. Judging from the incessant complaining you would be misled on the popular sentiment - which is overwhelmingly in support of the status quo.
The government has often given the people what they want; dreamers have given the people diddly-squat.
Nobody can make a change - only everyone can. -
most singaporeans maybe, but not ALL singporeans voted.. is selective posting in your opinion more honest? so oxford mushrooms more honest than most of us here who are against most policies of the s'pore gahmen just becuz he openly supports the gahmen while most of us are against it? Dun assume most of the ppl here voted for pap, not everyone here voted for pap. you think supporting the opposition is just to pretend and to gain popularity? popularity in what? in this forum here?Originally posted by Cystaire:Whatever the reason, most Singaporeans vote for the PAP, thus opposition not only have to face the government, they also have limited support from the people.
You shouldn't blame the PAP at all if you voted for them. If you voted for them but pretend-pretend to support opposition just to be popular, how are you different from oxford mushroom? Except he is more honest? , Geez.. not trying to slamp you here, but you need to look at your posting b4 you make assumption. This is not your typical 10yr old or teens forum where people are interested in being 'popular'..
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My apologies, I didn't realize oxford mushroom is that unpopular.Originally posted by TYING:I am very different from oxford mushroom so dont compare me to that fungus. And i don't support the opposition just to gain popularity. By the way, only a couple of candidates in the opposition are up to standard.
For your information or maybe you would not be even interested in knowing, I do not agree with the way PAP handle their policies implemented. As i still cant vote, i have tried to persuade my parents to vote for the opposition instead to give it a try.
So I am not what you make me out to be. -
Should change. Is the government give people what they need, but never enough. People want things that can help them even more, but they have not been given out by the government yet.Originally posted by Cystaire:The government has often given the people what they want; dreamers have given the people diddly-squat.
Maybe retract that sentence till they have done so? -
Its ok, your views are very much appreciated anyway. So no offence if i did make you unhappy in some ways.Originally posted by Cystaire:My apologies, I didn't realize oxford mushroom is that unpopular. 
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Huh? Not all meh?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Did you know that only a small percentage of people in Singapore actually had the chance to vote? -
goshOriginally posted by TYING:Huh? Not all meh? are u singaporean? -
I still young not yet see the world mar, but who come only small persantage can vote? The others all foreigners or what ar?Originally posted by Chelzea:gosh are u singaporean?
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Firstly, only Singaporeans above the age of 21.Originally posted by TYING:Huh? Not all meh?
Secondly, only Singaporeans living in GRCs which are contested.
We have approx. 1M Foreigners, and 3M Singaporeans + PRs.
Out of the 3M, you need to look at how many are Singaporeans who live in contested GRCs.
The PAP only won 66.6% of the Singaporeans who are above 21's vote.
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At the polls, most Singaporeans do not support the opposition. This is despite the turn-out of tens of thousands at opposition rallies.Originally posted by 4getmenot:most singaporeans maybe, but not ALL singporeans voted.. is selective posting in your opinion more honest? so oxford mushrooms more honest than most of us here who are against most policies of the s'pore gahmen just becuz he openly supports the gahmen while most of us are against it? Dun assume most of the ppl here voted for pap, not everyone here voted for pap. you think supporting the opposition is just to pretend and to gain popularity? popularity in what? in this forum here? , Geez.. not trying to slamp you here, but you need to look at your posting b4 you make assumption. This is not your typical 10yr old or teens forum where people are interested in being 'popular'..
this is Speakers Corner.
Singaporean as a whole do not support change. There is a deep-seated conservative sentiment.
Let me tell you a story. A long time ago, I met a person who had migrated to a Western country. He was very unhappy with PAP policies. Yet, when elections came up in that country, he voted for the conservative party.
I didn't understand this inconsistent behaviour, so I asked him why. He said, "well in this constituency the conservatives are more popular and will win anyway, so why waste my vote on the liberal party?"
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we have 3 million people.
according to you, tens of thousands of people went to the WP rallies. let's assume the hougang rally had 50,000 people. 50,000 of 3000,000 = 1.6% of the population. by your logic, only those 1.6% voted for the opposition. and yet PAP only got 66.6% percent of the vote. so 33.3% of the voting populace opposes the PAP. of those 33.3%, 1.6% are visible. -
The mainstream media and voting results are a very, very poor reflection of public opinion. They're heavily controlled by the government.
With GRCs that give PAP an unfair advantage, the 1997 Cheng San election rigging cover-up and the pro-PAP media, it's no wonder you're starting to think if there's not so much support for opposition after all - the MIW make sure anything remotely pro-opposition never reaches you!
Don't lose hope. -
Do you know why are opposition candidates not up to standard?Originally posted by TYING:I am very different from oxford mushroom so dont compare me to that fungus. And i don't support the opposition just to gain popularity. By the way, only a couple of candidates in the opposition are up to standard.
For your information or maybe you would not be even interested in knowing, I do not agree with the way PAP handle their policies implemented. As i still cant vote, i have tried to persuade my parents to vote for the opposition instead to give it a try.
So I am not what you make me out to be. -
Originally posted by spinsugar:The mainstream media and voting results are a very, very poor reflection of public opinion. They're heavily controlled by the government.
With GRCs that give PAP an unfair advantage, the 1997 Cheng San election rigging cover-up and the pro-PAP media, it's no wonder you're starting to think if there's not so much support for opposition after all - the MIW make sure anything remotely pro-opposition never reaches you!
Don't lose hope.
Actually the information you provided is even more depressing than I expected. Now I really believe change is impossible. -
Do tell.Originally posted by maurizio13:Do you know why are opposition candidates not up to standard? -
These kind of changes takes years, 10, 20 maybe 50 years. It takes generations and generations of people to effect the change and consistently apply it. The changes might bring good, but might bring along another set of issues. You cannot control the fact that we had also external influences to deal with and influx of foreigners who bring their own culture,expectations and etc.Originally posted by Cystaire:Let me tell you what I dream of:
1. I dream of a Singapore which has its own culture, traditions and language, contributed from our ancestors, but distinct from the other nations. I dream that our culture and language can flourish and create its own art and applications.
2. I dream of a Singapore with a strong national identity that transcends race or partisan views. Where Singaporeans are proud of their common heritage and are willing to stand for fellow Singaporeans rather than foreign nationals of their own race.
3. I dream of a Singapore with a sustainable economy that doesn't have constantly run on a race to benchmark itself with huge Western nations, but with small rich-poor gap that is the envy of the world.
4. I dream of a Singapore that values individual creativity and freedoms and a society more tolerant of bizarre ideas, because the most desperately creative agents that bring about world leading changes are necessarily individuals. That one day someone would say "who made this crazy device/provocative play? Only in Singapore of course."
I have these dreams - the dreams of a loser. For an individual who is always a nobody and whose ideas are always whiny complaints can never make a difference.
Only society as a whole, powerful people and organizations can make a difference, but why should they fix something that isn't broken? Singaporeans themselves are happy with the way things are - people who see any different are definitely losers, because they have no support of the people.
Winners will determine the future; dreamers like me are just passing gas in the footnote of history.
If you expect changes quickly, or that anything you do to have any impact right now, then you will always be disappointed.
A tree that sprout out from the ground today does not change the environment. It takes 10-50 years of constant growth to become a large tree to be able to affect the environment. So you need to be realistic. If you trace the history of Singapore, if you carefully observe the people you meet from Primary school till today... you will see things change but you also see other things. Not every thing is bad, not everything is good. So be realistic. You think there will be a Sg identity - we already have - just how much and what needs to be seen then you will think we have identity. But are all these benchmark realistic? You see other country singing about their identity - is it real or just a show?
If you think that what you do does not impact anyone. Then see it this way, what people do not do also impact everyone.
ie: the case where I b!tch about Jalan Eunos.
1. I can happily whine and let my anger out.
2. Do nothing like all those people who Kow-Tow to the TP and walk off feeling sh!t thinking this is the system and I have to accept. I can also not mention anything in this forum and let other people get sam-bang like me.
3. I can also and had report the stupid road design to LTA and now I have a reply from LTA that they had planned to upgrade that stupid road and add the pedestrian crossing there.
Now I did numbber 1 and 3. Did it impact anyone? I don 't know. But I know that perhaps people who think that nothing can be done with bad road design might think twice in future. If I did not care like all these apathic singaaporean, then I will take option 2.
You must remeber, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Now I cannot say Physics law apply to everything but this is a true fact. Only thing is the Reaction. It does not have to be immediate. It does not have to have a physical impact (could be mental or societal). It can also deviate from what you expect.
Now let me put this to you. You take this forum now as it is for granted. This is not by coincidence that the forum has members and people behaving in this manner. This is through constant action of the mods, and the unconscious actions of other members to enforce socially accepted norms here. But everyone would claim they did nothing of that sort... But they did. That's social engineering for you..
Its not always true the rich, powerful people control everything. They do because they have more resources and perhaps it gets published on papers. But look at the ordinary people and the actions but its unknown to lots of people. Like the nurses who go that extra mile. Or the poor man who jumped into the MRT tracks leaving his kids and handicapped wife. The rich and powerful makes an impact. But if you think so, you are wrong but if you feel they do, you can work towards that goal one step at a time and become rich and powerful and see what statement you make. If you are unhappy now, chances are you will be unhappy, rich and powerful.
So the question is do you seek to do deeds so that lots of people see it and "glorify" you with road named after you or statues build in your honour? Or dso you seek to do deeds because it is the right thing to do and you keep doing it because you believe. If you do not believe in yourself and think of yourself as a dreamer and loser. You lost your battle with yourself. Negative thought is poisonous.
Anyways, its just a down time for you. Take it easy. -
You mean...other than pap candidates or its officials...there'e no other people could perform equally or better than pap?Originally posted by TYING:Come on...
Its not as though that singaporeans really meant to vote for the PAP or with sincerity at least. They have to think about their future. Yes, call us cowards, but in order to live safely and properly ( ), we HAVE or are FORCED to vote for them.
Those constituencies who did not vote for them end up not having the funds to upgrade their area. This caused a lot inconvenience to the elderly and the disabled as they need the installations a lot. You never know, they might list down those people who did not vote for them and deny them the rights to packages given out by the government.
Hence, we are being force to vote for them. Because, PAP tricked many people into thinking that they are the government when they are not. Also, they abused their authority just because they have the larger number of people in the government, thus they made use of the money meant for the community.
Therefore, the only thing we can do is pray that they will drop dead one by one and be banished to the 18th level of hell. TO HELL WITH THEM!